I'm training psionics right now

Well, it seems i'm a little crazy but i'm training psionics right now. I don't know if it's real or not, but i'll believe it with all my heart during my training session. First of all, i'm doing PSI balls - Spheres that you cannot see, but can "sense" and even "touch" (it's a little weird, but if u concentrate enough you can touch it softly). I don't know if there are any scientific explanations to this, but i CAN feel them.

So, what did i do? Simple. Concentrate a little, then try to visualize any kind of "energy" flowing in your heart. Believe it. Try to FEEL it. Then direct the energy through your body until it reaches your hand. Then you'll feel some tickles. DON'T LOSE CONCENTRATION! Then make a sphere-shaped space between your hands. Move your hands SLOWLY or you'll fail. You need a relaxing position to do that, and your arms must be suspended in the air. Then visualize the sphere. Close your eyes if it help you. THIS WILL TAKE A LOT OF CONCENTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!! Feel that "energy" (hope you did not forget about them, or your work will be useless) going into the sphere. Shape it! Try to make it dense! Now try to feel it with your hands. If you can't feel them or the feeling is too weak, try to close your eyes and concentrate more. Try to move slowly your hands. If this still don't work, rub your hands, until you can "reproduce" this feeling without actually rubbing. Try again. Well, if everything is alright you'll start feeling something. This probably will make you feel excited. Control yourself or it'll vanish. CONCENTRATE!!!!! Initially the sphere won't be stable, so if anything take your attention you'll have to start all over! If your eyes are closed, maybe this is the right time to open them =P. Try to touch it more. Slowly, or it'll fade. Make movements with your hand. Try to expand it, then stop. Touch it a little more and you'll feel it'll be "forcing" your hands and trying to expand itself. Expand it, but not too much or it'll vanish, and you will probably lose your concentration. Play with it until you get the hang of it.

I'm doing it right now and YEA it seems FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mine is very unstable, so it takes about 4-6 minutes to make one psi ball ;) But it's soooooo COOOOOOOL !!!!!!

Now the questions:

1) Is there any scientific explanation to this? Is this REALLY psionic energy? What the hell is this =P?

i would guess its just your imagination. not in a derogartory sense, but in a postive one.

i've tried this before, and it is possible to 'feel' something. but i have seen no reason to view it as anything more than a completely subjective thing. something all hopeful psions concentrate on, because its all they can do.
and then they take it to validate the more objective aspects of 'psi', which seems completely unwarranted.

frankly, i see it as a neat illusion one can create.

i do suspect telepathy/energy healing/telekinsis is possible, but that is probably more due to personal desire than anything.

telepathy seems the most feasible of all the "psionic arts", simply because neurons create energy imprints, and all minds are essentially similar. it is not too much of a stretch to accept a possible means of electro-magnetic recognition is present in the brain circuitry.

keep on practicing...you never know :wink:

modern day science can explain a limited range of perceivable energy. i don't think there's one person who can honestly say (s)he has not experienced some kind of bizarre circumstance or coincidence that is too familiar, prophetic, clairvoyant, whatever. it's easy to write it off as coincidence or projection...but to say it is certain that it was coincidence/projection is foolish. ultimately, regardless of what you believe, most people (in this society, at least) think psionics is bunch of crap, and if you tell them that you are have been training in it, they will probably consider you a weirdo from that day on. i guess, like lucid dreaming, it's something only you can prove to yourself. good luck.

The fact is...are we just flesh and blood? Sometimes I want to believe we're something more. When you think of "soul", it seems quite real. "I have a soul bla bla bla and stuff". But the big question lies ahead:

Can our soul or our spirit interfere with our body? If this is possible... it's worth trying. We've never seen scientific explanation for that, but maybe that's because THERE'S NO SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION FOR THIS :shock: . omg.

Think about it. We have like.... 3 planes. Our bodywhich holds "impossible" things such as luck, belief and hope.

Through our body

I know it seems a bit confusing...

Then suppose your body can break a limit and travel to your spirit world and you have TADA - Astral Projection!!!!
Then again you have your body entering your soul world and now you haaaaave.... Lucid Dreams!!!!!
Then finally you have your soul or your spirit penetrating this "real" world and you have....... supernatural stuff!!! This is quite reasonable, although you'll think i'm insane. Maybe that's why every once in a while some "crazy" out-of-normal stuff happens.

My theory is (well it's not my theory it's mixing up many other theories i've seen so far):

We (50% soul 25% body 25% spirit, these values should change with time.... - body - soul + spirit) can "fool" our conscience and "break" those limits. Maybe that's what belief is all about. We believe. We can. No matter how much time does it take.

I am not really going to argue about this one. I am not skeptical, but I am not going to choose sides between the believers and the skeptics. I hate being attacked by either side, so I will remain neutral, until the day it is proven to be real/fake (until then, I will just go to my little groups on Thursdays!)...
But darn, I really love that Spongebob episode where he enter's people's dreams the same way splash and I can (DSing method 2). I do know that DSing exists, but is relied upon not only incredible skill at LDing, but also upon a tremendous amount of luck.

PS: You should have put 'I remain neutral' in the polls!!

Well I just tried what you (author) did to create a psi ball.
Effects? My hands became really really hot. lol.
Not the hot as in melting-heat but as in hot as if you'd been rubbing them for 2 minutes straight.

Funny :P

Anyway, I will not doubt the existence of PK stuff. Like some say ''EVERYTHING is possible".
The problem is finding the way how -> Gaining the skills required to do it -> and actually doing it.

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Originally posted by [Alpha
-0mega-]Well I just tried what you (author) did to create a psi ball.
Effects? My hands became really really hot. lol.
Not the hot as in melting-heat but as in hot as if you'd been rubbing them for 2 minutes straight.

Funny :P

Anyway, I will not doubt the existence of PK stuff. Like some say ''EVERYTHING is possible".
The problem is finding the way how -> Gaining the skills required to do it -> and actually doing it.

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Mine did get somewhat warm (and a little tingly) too.
Anyway, I picked the first option, even though I think it's probably a bunch of bullshit. I just want to believe it's possible cause that'd be cooler ^.^

Hahahah neat effects. I feel a lot of pressure sometimes and a little tingling. This is something i really want to believe but... it seems insane. I'm trying, no matter the odds. If i find out something useful, i'll tell you guys

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Originally posted by [Alpha
-0mega-]Well I just tried what you (author) did to create a psi ball.
Effects? My hands became really really hot. lol.
Not the hot as in melting-heat but as in hot as if you'd been rubbing them for 2 minutes straight.

Funny :P

Anyway, I will not doubt the existence of PK stuff. Like some say ''EVERYTHING is possible".
The problem is finding the way how -> Gaining the skills required to do it -> and actually doing it.

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Well, I am neutral as I said b4. I believe anything that happens is at least a coincidence. For example, my hands can get ultra-hot at times (I think it is mere coincidence, since I have a hot body to begin with), and sometimes, I will pretend to throw that heat at people. Some people will react, and others it will have no effect on. I can get badly fatigued if I do it too much though (too much imagination at once, I think)
Another thing is everytime I touch something electric, I am always getting shocked, and it feels like I am almost absorbing it. Mostly, maybe it is because I need it, b/c everyone has some of that inside them.
You might want to see this pic, too. I find it also mere coincidence, and that the cause of that breaking was the heat (and maybe the evaporated chemicals), or maybe the fact that objects like this just hate me enough to break!!:
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9...fork3lx.th.jpg

Now there are also some things I can believe, like people having ultra-sensitive hearing, and ultra-sensitive touch, since many use those at school (and my nephew and I have that kind of hearing). Also, DSing is possible, though mostly by LD skill and lots of luck.

Ah, yeah... this is cool. I always ask myself, how come we can imagine such vividly realistic things in our dreams, but not in real life.

I don't know....I can't necessarily believe in it, because there's no scientific proof to tell me otherwise. Oh well, if there ever is, I will be the first to start training in such a skill. Good luck to you though, Frosty Chaotix.

If there were scientific proof of it... I'd be levitating myself in no time :P

It's not as if disbelievers such as myself don't want it to be true... I mean, as much as someone would wish to be superman or to exist as a character in a book. Who wouldn't want to be an x-man :P

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Originally posted by ataraxis
If there were scientific proof of it... I'd be levitating myself in no time :P *

It's not as if disbelievers such as myself don't want it to be true... I mean, as much as someone would wish to be superman or to exist as a character in a book. *Who wouldn't want to be an x-man :P

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Exactly.

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If there were scientific proof of it... I'd be levitating myself in no time :P *[/b]

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alright, let's see you steam dry 3 wet, frigid sheets inside a room with a controlled temperature of 40 farenheit (4 and half degrees celsius) within the span of a few hours. keeping in mind of course most people would be shaking uncontrollably, and perhaps even going into shock.

try it yourself the next time its the appropriate temperature where you live...don't even use sheets. just sit shirtless and immobile for a couple hours without shivering. if you can do that get a friend to soak a sheet in cold water and drape it over you. then if you are still not shivering, try to dry it with your body.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/0...8/09-tummo.html

or perhaps you would like to learn how to decrease your metabolism consciously, to the point where instruments cannot even measure a discernable heartrate?

http://physiologyonline.physiology.org/cgi...t/full/13/3/149

optimally read the entire article if you wish, or scroll down until you reach the graph referenced at the end of the quote below.

"...Other examples abound. Some freshwater turtles are able to stop their heartbeat for as long as 6 mo while buried on the floor of a vernal pond. During his 8-day stay in an underground pit, Yogi Satyamurti exhibited a marked tachycardia of 250 beats/min for the first 29 h of his stay. Thereafter, for the next 6.5 days, the ECG complexes were replaced by an isoelectric line, showing no heartbeat whatsoever (see Fig. 1). The experimenters at first thought he had died. Then, 0.5 h before the experiment was due to end on the 8th day, the ECG resumed, recording normal heart rate activity. Satyamurti also exhibited other behaviors similar to hibernating organisms. One of the most economical methods of preserving energy during hibernation requires animals to bring their body temperature down to that of the surrounding environment. Satyamurti, brought out of the pit on the 8th day, cold and shivering, showed a body temperature approximately equal to that maintained in the pit, namely, 34.8°C (see Table 1). "


although scientists have no clue how experienced mediators can affect their physiology in such ways, it cannot be denied that it is possible, and has scientific evidence behind it.

so there you go...don't waste your time on unfounded superstition...stick with that which has already been shown to be possible within an atheistic scientific framework. that is most assuredly the most rational course of action.

but perhaps you will find that just because something is possible does not mean it is easy, or common to each and every human....those abilities most rare require the rarest combination of conditions, potential, and effort...

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It's not as if disbelievers such as myself don't want it to be true... I mean, as much as someone would wish to be superman or to exist as a character in a book. *Who wouldn't want to be an x-man :P[/b]

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firstly, no proponent of the 'paranormal' with a shred of credibility claims that we can fly like superman, or shoot lasers from our eyes.
however, less extreme abilities are postulated by some, including levitation, as you mentioned.
now, i'm not saying it think levitation is likely. but, i do think it is possible. it is not completely nullified by our present incomplete scientific knowledge.

assuming it is possible to overcome the law of gravity solely with one's mind, it would still obviously take extra-ordinary effort, predilection, inherent ability, and 'faith' in order to cultivate this possibility into reality. i
doubt more than a dozen people in the history of humanity have accomplished it. other seemingly paranormal abilities (which i more readily view as credible), if they exist, are likely more common, and within the reach of a significant propotion of humanity if they were cultivated correctly.


perhaps you will never develop realistically attainable abilities simply because you do not have enough faith they are possible, and so never spend time developing them. all well and good, that seems the rational thing to do...that is what most people tend to do. and even those that say paranormal abilities are real are often those too lazy, undisciplined, and superstitious to make the appropriate effort needed to actualize the abilities they babble on about secondhand. the combination of these two types of people likely accounts for 99.9% of everyone that has an opinion on psychic abilities.

perhaps the select few that succeed can't be bothered convincing skeptics and sloths. perhaps they could give two shits about randi's million dollars, as they have dedicated their lives to mind over matter already.
or perhaps its all just superstitious nonsense made up to make life bearable :)

in that case i reiterate...if you feel you could levitate 'in on time' simply because it was verified scientifically, what is stopping you from doing the two credible tasks above? earn your smugness is you wish to flaunt it my friend :wink:

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*warning* do not read the following if you are tired of anecdotes which never seem to have scientific backing or definitive controls, but must be accepted in good faith....

i was having a discussion with two of my close friends about roughly this same topic on the weekend. one was open to the idea of certain inexplicable 'psychic' abilities, and the other was staunchly skeptical and said he needed solid proof.

well, we were all moderately drinking, and so i was feeling very confident at a certain point in the conversation. i saw a 'where's waldo' book on the table which i had never looked inside (the only where's waldo i've ever looked through was a different one my brother had, about ten years ago).

i challenged my skeptical friend, who you remind me of in alot of ways ataraxis. i told him i would open to a random page, and with the book downturned, pick out the fly-sized image of waldo from the sea of similar images covering each page..

so, although i would never humilate myself by such likely failure while fully sober, i closed my eyes and tried to visualise where waldo could be (as my friend laughed at me :wink: ). i gradually sensed a mental image of a small point to the center-right of a page on the left hand side. without doubting, i opened the book decisively to a page, and with my eyes still closed, and the book downturned, pointed to the corresponding location in the actual book.

voila :D waldo was exactly above my finger, the skin on top of my index finger touching his feet, in the same location as in my mind. both friends verified it, and my skeptical friend was no longer laughing, but looked rather dazed for a second before reasserting his confident skepticism.

coincidence? sure, could have been. but a fairly significant one, when one considers i located the desired image on the correct page, from thousands of possible options.

and many times i have had experiences like this. whenever i succeed, it is at times when i have absolute, irrational, seemingly ignorant trust that something is possible.

for instance, numerous times i have correctly predicted when a friend will arrive at a party/house- accurate to the minute, even hours before the fact.
i have correctly guessed the final score of live basketball games, or the final bid for an item on a televised auction.
and yet, when others try to get me to reproduce these interesting coincidences, or i attempt to prove psychic abilities when i don't have this blind faith, i always fail.

*shrugs* the more i lean towards psychic capabilities, the more i see tentative reinforcement of that which occurs only in moments of unfounded 'faith'.

i guess i just spent 15 minutes on this post because i think you are being too smug...and hopefully you will spend a little while on reply because you think i am being naive and stupid :lol:

that's the whole mysterious wonder of existence though isn't it? never being able to know for sure? we are both still young...it would be a shame to close our minds either way too soon.

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Originally posted by ataraxis
If there were scientific proof of it... I'd be levitating myself in no time :P

It's not as if disbelievers such as myself don't want it to be true... I mean, as much as someone would wish to be superman or to exist as a character in a book. Who wouldn't want to be an x-man :P

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First of all. If 'anyone' could be superman and stuff.... the world would be rather boring don't you think? And SO MANY PEOPLE would abuse this power, it would end in total chaos.

So i believe these powers exist only for those who believe it. And true belief is not easily achieved. You may say you believe.... but what about your subconscious mind? Say you "truly believe" and you may be foolin' around with your own brain. So it's like:

You: I believe it. I believe it. I believe it.
Your brain: No you don't. No you don't. No you don't. And don't even try it. :shock:

You WANT to believe, but your mind keep saying "NO NO NO this is impossible!!! No one could do it until now, and you will fail as well!!!!!".

Well if it's not that way, how can you explain why we feel so surprised when something good happens with us? Are we lacking faith? :o

And then several people tell me: We need demonstrations and scientific research to know it's true.
How about YOU being the proof???? Everyone needs proof. But if you don't believe it before actually doing it, how the hell can u PROVE IT????? Think on the invention of the plane. I think the human race never imagined PROWESS such as flying like a bird. And then it happened. Now it's normal and stuff.

Do we really have to SEE and TOUCH something to know it's true? Can't we believe in GOD? Can't we believe..... in ourselves?
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Originally posted by Frosty Chaotix

Can't we believe..... in ourselves?
:D

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Uh...how about no?
I do believe in LDing though!! :D

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Originally posted by nesgirl119

Uh...how about no?
I do believe in LDing though!! :D

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Well i was so happy with the idea... now i think the only thing left in my mind is doubt. But i'll keep trying :D
Whatever.

Maybe i'll focus on LDing :wink:

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Originally posted by Frosty Chaotix


Well i was so happy with the idea... now i think the only thing left in my mind is doubt. But i'll keep trying :D
Whatever.

Maybe i'll focus on LDing :wink:

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That's better!!
Well, what I said earlier is that I neither doubt or believe, b/c I am afraid of getting beaten to a pulp by people in real time whom are big skeptics, or locked up!

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Originally posted by nesgirl119


That's better!!
Well, what I said earlier is that I neither doubt or believe, b/c I am afraid of getting beaten to a pulp by people in real time whom are big skeptics, or locked up!

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He should be able to believe in anything he wants. Nobody is going to beat anyone up because they think psionics are real. If you choose to be in the middle, it's your choice nes...But he obviously wants to believe in it. Whatever works for him.

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Originally posted by Gwendolyn


He should be able to believe in anything he wants. Nobody is going to beat anyone up because they think psionics are real. If you choose to be in the middle, it's your choice nes...But he obviously wants to believe in it. Whatever works for him.

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I am neutral...I am fine with him believing in them, but if he thinks I am going to believe in myself, he is wrong!

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I am neutral...I am fine with him believing in them, but if he thinks I am going to believe in myself, he is wrong!

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I never saw anyone trying to convince you.

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Can't we believe..... in ourselves?

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I wasn't trying to start anything but I was just saying that I was not going to believe in myself (opinionwise), and for the rest of it, would remain neutral.

Well i've made up my mind. I'll take a break from my training because it's not going fine, i can't concentrate and relax due to my stress and stuff...At the start it was going fine, but when things became complicated i couldn't take any step ahead.

Now I'll try LDing and maybe i'll get psionics back in the middle of this year. The psi stuff is yet undeveloped and LDing will be MUCH MORE easier for now.

Hope I don't bothered you guys with this stuff :)

Thanks a lot :wink:

Laters!

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Originally posted by Frosty Chaotix
Well i've made up my mind. I'll take a break from my training because it's not going fine, i can't concentrate and relax due to my stress and stuff...At the start it was going fine, but when things became complicated i couldn't take any step ahead.

Now I'll try LDing and maybe i'll get psionics back in the middle of this year. The psi stuff is yet undeveloped and LDing will be MUCH MORE easier for now.

Hope I don't bothered you guys with this stuff :)

Thanks a lot :wink:

Laters!

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Naw, you didn't bother us at all, really (I am only bothered when I am told to have self-confidence!!) :D
So good luck to you!

I have been a psion for a long time now and while I don't care to talk much about trying to affect the real world through psionics it is a great base for dream control. Even while awake I can override my senses in some sort of forced hallucination that basically allows me to immerse myself in a world that I have full control over. Using the same raw energy manipulation skills I have learned as a psion while dreaming I have full control over pretty much everything. Everything that exists in the dream world is a construct that can be programmed to be or do anything I want.

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