Thread: Possible Idea of where dreams come from and DC's

First off, very interesting read.

This is what makes dreams so fascinating. The idea that this whole other existence could co-exist with our own. I understand the general idea is that it is our sub-concious, but there is so little we know about our minds that the possibilities could be endless. We have all had dreams that were so real, that we woke the next morning feeling somehow affected in our waking lives by it. Those are the dreams that never truly fade away. You maybe don't remember all the fine details, but if you only think about them for a moment, you can pull up a vision in your head. I can think of a few dozen that I still think about occaisionally.

I also agree that dreams are formed because of our own phobias/worries/etc. I read somewhere that a common dream to have when you are worried about something in real life is that your teeth are falling out. This hit close to home for me because about 6 months ago my fiancee was diagnosed with MS. During the time she was being tested and we did not know what was going on yet, I had a dream about every night where I was standing in the mirror and pulling teeth from my head with no trouble whatsoever. They were just falling out one after the other. These dreams stopped shortly after we found out she had the disease. Not that I was relieved she had MS, but that we knew what the problem was and now we could deal with it.

Going back to the whole we don't know the true capabilities of our mind, I have a crazy out their idea about dreams that I am using in a story I am writing. Basically, by the end of the story the reader will find out that there is no heaven or hell, but that when we die, we all retreat to this other co-existence we have been visiting every night all our lives.

That's all I have to say for now. Eager to read more people's opinions and ideas about this topic.

there is power in feelings... Everyting is about feelings... What ever you do in life involves feelings... In the physical we get numb to old feelings and feel the need to experiance new ones... We all feed of each others feelings. Laughing together, crying together...

I belive there might be some truth in your asumtions...

Here is my twist.

Life is a constant interplay of energies. The saying, "We are all connected." goes far deaper than most realize. Matter and energy can not be destroyed, only transformed/ and or transmuted. What you have experienced in the dream state, which I consider a higher state of conscienceness, is a stronger attunement to and awareness of that interplay of energies. Since we are multifaceted beings, it's not hard to come to the realization that aspects of ourselves feed others. A poor mental or spiritual state can manafest physically in ailments, disease, ect. I mention the different aspects of ourselves because I believe they can be represented in our dreams as characters. What you have witnessed as seperate and distinct characters in your dream, could very well be representations of different aspects of yourself, physical, spiritual, or otherwise. It might not be wise to ignore them. Insight and understanding may be gained even if they seem trivial at first.

As far as what dreams actually are, I believe this.
Dreams are echos, shadowy rememberings of a different state of mind that is always there. The only glimps of that part of ourseves we get is when our conscience egos relinquish control and shut down, ie go to sleep. Lucid dreams are different. anyone who has had one can tell you that. LD's are consciously participated in, not remembered. Further, I believe that an LD is closer to a true reality than our every day lives. It's interesting to hear many describe an LD on this forum as, "More real than every day." I've heard something to that effect many times here. I believe they have touched it, but haven't quite made the connection and understud it.

Very interesting thoughts. Do you have any ideas to explaining why a DC would continue its role even after you reach lucidity? I still stand by my thoughts of it not being a constuct of my imagination for the reasons I stated earlier

I killed a bunch of DC's for the first time in a recent lucid dream. Some people think DC's are a construct of yourself, I believe that sometimes (not always) its different. In this particular case I think I may have made them for entertainment purposes but Im not quite sure. Perhaps I subconsciously armed the characters of the other energy to see how well they can fight? To be quite honest, I get really sick of how dream characters dont admit its a dream so I have fun showing aggressors what I've learned in the dream plane in terms of combat skills and such. I killed them because they were trying to attack me without provacation after I reached lucidity so I just defended myself so I have no guilt . If they are a construct of you does that mean you are killing a part of yourself? If so, what does that symbolize? Especially if you've never seen them before or talked to them before?

(To read the story of the bout between the DC's and I its in the 'Lucid Dream with a possible prophetic twist' thread)
found here... http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25764

Some great thoughts in this thread. Thanks. Here's my comment about DCs when the dream becomes lucid. If you was a fan in the benches watching a ballgame [you watching a regular dream] the players wouldn't have any reason to pay any attention to you. Once you enter the game [dream becomes lucid] the other players have to consider who you are, what your skills are, will you be to their disavantage or advantage, etc. Plus your own situation changes greatly changing from spectator to player.

I too feel that dreams are not entirely created by our individual minds. Though I never made the connection between emotional states and dreams as a form of control. This is a very interesting theory. I could see how dreams could be used as a pre-emptive balancing mechanism for affecting emotions in the next day. I'm sure we have all had dreams that changed our emotional state for the rest of the day. Ever heard of "waking up on the wrong side of the bed"?

I believe emotions are transferable through non-physical means. For example, when a freind in a group is very happy and excited they can make the whole group feel better. Similarly, someone with a bad attitude can bring a whole group down. So if you apply that line of thinking to the collective dream consciousness, it begins to make a little more sense.

Assume that when we are dreaming we are connected to the collective consciousness. So dream characters may indeed be real people dreaming half-way across the global. This global broadcast is then localized by our subconscious mind into something our conscious mind could process. The DCs may also be archtypical beings existing solely in the etherreal. So the archtypical group of friends would manifest as your best friends. The idea of a familiar surrounding would be generated as your home town. The language would be translated into the one you know best, presumibly english. Within this shared dream world there are many different experiences that can be seen. Depending on where your mind is at when you go to sleep will dictate where the dream starts. The reason DCs would become angry is because the subconscious mind desprerately doesn't want to loose control of the body. For whatever reason, we have limited control of the vast majority of the workings of our mind. This is not something the subconscious would likely relinquish so easily. This only applies to DC which were created by your mind alone. If other entities were projected into your dream, they might have entirely different motives altogether. I think the most important thing is to look at everything as a lesson to be learned. Whatever the source may be, it is knowledge and it is truth.

// cybereality