Thread: Any dreamsharer here in 2020?

Originally Posted by michael79

Now it is time for me to share a secret, what you perceive as second body/astral body is actually not your body, this is just a mental illusion created by the mind, only when you let go of this perception of body, you would be able to explore higher planes(as you describe them), of course that requires more focus and control. I hope someday we actually can meet in the astral^^

I know about this. The higher dimension you get to, the less you are identifying with something.
In fifth you are point of consciousness which can identify itself as such.
In sixth dimension you are all there is. Without form. Infinite.
In seventh (which I didn't reach yet) you should completely depersonalize.

Originally Posted by Psionik

I know about this. The higher dimension you get to, the less you are identifying with something.
In fifth you are point of consciousness which can identify itself as such.
In sixth dimension you are all there is. Without form. Infinite.
In seventh (which I didn't reach yet) you should completely depersonalize.

Ok that is good, very good indeed, I see you are educated enough on the matter and... did you learn something interesting, did you connected with your Higher self, did you heard his voice, if you cannot say here, you can PM me.

If you are so good at focussing and at discarding your emotions as you say, then I have proposition for you, instead of using any techniques for separating out of body, don't use any, just go with the flow, not disturbing the natural process of falling asleep, keeping only a tiny dot of consciousness, discarding your Ego and becoming a passive observer, just watch and hear while you are falling asleep, but be careful if they notice you, they will send you immediately back here, this method it is like a cheat/hack, using their own method for soul retrieval, because they do it only when they feel you are unconscious, one second here can be like a lot there. They catch me several times already and every time they send me back with a warning, but once I was able to deceive them and was able to stay couple of days on the other side and saw things that are hard to explain, but the adventure is worthwhile

Originally Posted by michael79

Ok that is good, very good indeed, I see you are educated enough on the matter and... did you learn something interesting, did you connected with your Higher self, did you heard his voice, if you cannot say here, you can PM me.

If you are so good at focussing and at discarding your emotions as you say, then I have proposition for you, instead of using any techniques for separating out of body, don't use any, just go with the flow, not disturbing the natural process of falling asleep, keeping only a tiny dot of consciousness, discarding your Ego and becoming a passive observer, just watch and hear while you are falling asleep, but be careful if they notice you, they will send you immediately back here, this method it is like a cheat/hack, using their own method for soul retrieval, because they do it only when they feel you are unconscious, one second here can be like a lot there. They catch me several times already and every time they send me back with a warning, but once I was able to deceive them and was able to stay couple of days on the other side and saw things that are hard to explain, but the adventure is worthwhile

It happened a few times that i heard my voice from inside of me advicing me what to do. In higher dimension than astral i'm more integrated. I think, in budhic and higher dimension there is only unity.

Going with the flow is unreliable method for obe. I tend to end too passive ... I usually lose all the will to separate. But i managed to separate a few hundreds of times also this way. Quality wise(of experience), it is the same as when going easier route. It tends to lead to higher dimensions than mental. Maybe that is what you experienced.
I have had never problems with something keeping me from going OBE. Only lack of concentration has that effect.

Originally Posted by Psionik

It happened a few times that i heard my voice from inside of me advicing me what to do. In higher dimension than astral i'm more integrated. I think, in budhic and higher dimension there is only unity.

I see you are more of the secretive type, at least tell me what forum you use primary, there are always something new to read.

Going with the flow is unreliable method for obe. I tend to end too passive ... I usually lose all the will to separate.

No, no, I'm not talking about separating, they extract your soul when you become unconscious, you just go with the flow, it's like traveling through an ocean, when you reach the bottom you get to the other side, you just must play dead asleep the whole time. It's worth it I tell you, you will see!

Secretive- not exactly. I use theosophic designations for dimensions because when I looked on internet those descriptions were closest to what I experienced- that means someone from them experienced it... or their source of information experienced it. No other description came close to what I experience. But I don't exactly prefer to speak about theosophy itself since it feels somehow wrong to me. There is golden nugget of information in the junk- their description of dimensions. Everything else I discarded as superficial junk.
And I did see nowhere the description of what I describe as quantum barrier between dimensions.

Who are those "they"? I'm always alone in the moment of separation. I was never "extracted". The beings (if they are real) usually fear me. They can't stand my vicinity usually. I met only a few which didn't run away in fear. Not to mention, that I never met anyone higher than in astral dimension. If I don't count soulstars(I believe these represents souls in budhic dimension) as beings- those didn't interact at all, they just are. Even I had problem to start to do something there- and I was aware.

Originally Posted by Psionik

Secretive- not exactly. I use theosophic designations for dimensions because when I looked on internet those descriptions were closest to what I experienced- that means someone from them experienced it... or their source of information experienced it. No other description came close to what I experience. But I don't exactly prefer to speak about theosophy itself since it feels somehow wrong to me.

This is like a agreeing what is written in the Bible, but don't believe in God, because theosophy is a religion too.

There is golden nugget of information in the junk- their description of dimensions. Everything else I discarded as superficial junk.
And I did see nowhere the description of what I describe as quantum barrier between dimensions.

Funny thing, when you said about quantum jump and levels, my first thought was about 8bit Mario and how you jump from level to level through secret holes around the levels. XD The term you are referring to is maybe what is for me the Veil between dimensions

Who are those "they"?

How I should know I only saw them several times and every time is a different experience, I only know that I'm not supposed to be there, so the moment they notice me they send me back. Especially the last time, when they extracted me, they thought my consciousness (essentially this mean You or everything you experienced through this life experience) is asleep, so soul is left in a blank state, I saw how they awoken another consciousness to my soul and put the soul into a semi organic semi mechanihal bio-suit aka another body, I observed the whole process, the other consciousness were programmed and awaken with another four of them, they were humanoids. It was given a special mission to them, I only was able to observe through his eyes and feel his emotions, their language was totally alien, I stay like this for whole 3 days, this other consciousness have his own memories, beliefs and emotions. I couldn't understand a single word the entire time, but I clearly felt what he felt. The moment of extraction, when they scan the soul for possible infiltration, they or he detected me, man I never saw or imagine such Bio form before, semi organic semi mechanical semi spiritual, they send me back immediately with the light. When wake up after something like this is not easy to return to normal live, you have no idea how much I need to indure locked in another body day and night for 3 days on another Planet.

I'm always alone in the moment of separation. I was never "extracted".

My ordinary separations are the same, but I have many natural and spontaneous AP where I have been summoned in need of help.

The beings (if they are real) usually fear me. They can't stand my vicinity usually. I met only a few which didn't run away in fear.

They gonna run from you if you are not ready or if you emit bad energy. What do you mean by "if they are real" are you lucid dreaming instead?

Not to mention, that I never met anyone higher than in astral dimension.

Maan you really need lower a bit your Ego, there are a lot of higher beings out there, than you.

When I'm in my astral form, I'm entirely made of light, there is no darkness, there is no "see" only perceive. I already was invited by dozen of higher beings to join them, but I have still work to do here, so I stay. It seems you failed to meet you spiritual guide and you didn't seek the voice of your higher self, locking a big portion of the journey.

P.s. I read your journal and man the first thing when left out, to think about raping sleeping womens is not a good thing, please refrain of doing such things, this doesn't tell good stuff about your morale while out of body.

Originally Posted by michael79

Maan you really need lower a bit your Ego, there are a lot of higher beings out there, than you.

When I'm in my astral form, I'm entirely made of light, there is no darkness, there is no "see" only perceive. I already was invited by dozen of higher beings to join them, but I have still work to do here, so I stay. It seems you failed to meet you spiritual guide and you didn't seek the voice of your higher self, locking a big portion of the journey.

P.s. I read your journal and man the first thing when left out, to think about raping sleeping womens is not a good thing, please refrain of doing such things, this doesn't tell good stuff about your morale while out of body.

Gonna have to agree with Michael here. I feel a strong ego about you, Psi. It's just that I'm too nice to say. Man, I wrote out a whole post saying the same thing, your ego, your lopsided development... oh man, then I erased it because I didn't want to be mean to you. And also because I know, saying it doesn't help. There's not much that does help...

Oh well, now I've said it. Thanks Michael for giving me courage to say what I really think. Sorry Psi. Don't hate me.

This is like a agreeing what is written in the Bible, but don't believe in God, because theosophy is a religion too.
Exactly ! I don't agree with theosophy so I don't like to mention it. But I must mention it when I use nomenclature they described.

Funny thing, when you said about quantum jump and levels, my first thought was about 8bit Mario and how you jump from level to level through secret holes around the levels. XD The term you are referring to is maybe what is for me the Veil between dimensions
Quantum jump or quantum tunneling is a process which makes thermonuclear fusion possible- for example. Because the temperature and pressure is not high enough for fusion to run exactly spontaneously- but if there was no quantum barrier to overcome, the Sun would not shine for billions of years, but it would go instantly supernova. Sorry I didn't play Mario Bros. But I had physics, nuclear chemistry, physical chemistry and quantum chemistry on college.

How I should know I only saw them several times and every time is a different experience, I only know that I'm not supposed to be there, so the moment they notice me they send me back. Especially the last time, when they extracted me, they thought my consciousness (essentially this mean You or everything you experienced through this life experience) is asleep, so soul is left in a blank state, I saw how they awoken another consciousness to my soul and put the soul into a semi organic semi mechanihal bio-suit aka another body, I observed the whole process, the other consciousness were programmed and awaken with another four of them, they were humanoids. It was given a special mission to them, I only was able to observe through his eyes and feel his emotions, their language was totally alien, I stay like this for whole 3 days, this other consciousness have his own memories, beliefs and emotions. I couldn't understand a single word the entire time, but I clearly felt what he felt. The moment of extraction, when they scan the soul for possible infiltration, they or he detected me, man I never saw or imagine such Bio form before, semi organic semi mechanical semi spiritual, they send me back immediately with the light. When wake up after something like this is not easy to return to normal live, you have no idea how much I need to indure locked in another body day and night for 3 days on another Planet.
The most I get in astral is: You don't belong here- and I ignore it. If someone tries to attack, I either ignore it, or I burn the offender with aura without any active action. Something like this https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psionik/stabbed-84234/

My ordinary separations are the same, but I have many natural and spontaneous AP where I have been summoned in need of help.
This happened only a few times to me. I need to prepare for separation using concentration. I must be concentrated on the existence at the very least.

They gonna run from you if you are not ready or if you emit bad energy. What do you mean by "if they are real" are you lucid dreaming instead?
Bad energy... I don't know. I must be real badass there, when demons(they feel like that) fear me It is more like I'm leaking too much of energy. Often I'm surrounded by large blue violet plasma field, which I use as light to see in darkness. I tried to wake up my soulmate using that energy. https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/psi...-shared-80661/ She didn't remember in real world. I also used it to heal.

Maan you really need lower a bit your Ego, there are a lot of higher beings out there, than you.
I remember to meet one or two. Interestingly the impersonation of Jesus(the Jesus walked away) felt less than one other I have met later(that one stood strong). When you meet someone on higher level you can certainly feel it. It provokes real humbleness.

When I'm in my astral form, I'm entirely made of light, there is no darkness, there is no "see" only perceive. I already was invited by dozen of higher beings to join them, but I have still work to do here, so I stay. It seems you failed to meet you spiritual guide and you didn't seek the voice of your higher self, locking a big portion of the journey.
Maybe I didn't manage. I tried quite a few times more than 2 decades ago. I tried that for years back then. The most I managed was to call up some crazy looking laughing old man who ran away when I tried to ask him something.

P.s. I read your journal and man the first thing when left out, to think about raping sleeping womens is not a good thing, please refrain of doing such things, this doesn't tell good stuff about your morale while out of body.
Raping? That is a bit strong word. I don't use any forcing. It is enough to say no to me. I'm still not sure about sleeping zombies- are those real people or is my subconsciousness populating the environment? I needed to measure somehow the level of concentration and self-control. Astral sex is one of possible things. If I manage to have it without being thrown out of astral then my concentration is adequate. I was encouraged to do it. They were right, it was very disturbing, I couldn't stay inastral while trying to have astral sex. but I got much better. I tried it from time to time... but I'm not going sex crazy in astral I didn't try astral sex for a few years. There is no appeal for me in that. I should try it again someday. To see whether my concentration and detachment is better or at least the same as a few years ago.