Thread: Any dreamsharer here in 2020?

Originally Posted by Therome

Hey, will PM you in a bit. Was able to get into contact with Nomad and Man of Shred a few years back, got some interesting insights.

sure! pm me - or we can talk about it here as a kind of - where are we now/what we know now - kind of thing?

Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream

I don't know, but I'd be interested in trying. This fascinates me.

It demands a lot of dedication! I have a dream group I have been part of for a few years now, it means posting your dj to each other everyday and intent on dreamsharing everyday...

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Waking Nomad had an accident and difficult recovery, and didn't post as much after that. Man of Shred went through some changes also, including a phase where he saw lucid dreaming as being evil, and I don't know where he wound up after that.

Since shared dreaming involves a degree of direct contact with other people's minds, I think it is dangerous in some of the same ways that personality cults, obsessive love affairs, and mobs are dangerous. Maybe its also dangerous in the same way that conjuring up demons could be dangerous, because when you open the door in that part of your mind, you may not be able to totally control what insidious spirit finds its way in and makes a summer home there. The story of Icarus is worth considering. On the other hand, since our capacity to touch people, muses, and fates is an essential part of what we are, it seems to me to be unhealthy to be too afraid of it.

I guess I'm still up for experiments, but I can't say I'm really interested. I still have questions I want answers to, and problems I want to solve if possible, but I'm not seeing how shared dreaming gets me there. If it is important to someone to know whether its real, maybe I can help prove it for them though. What I call shared dreaming isn't quite the same as what the others called shared dreaming, because my interpretation of the experience is much different, but I think the essential elements are the same.

Yeah, I ve spoken to both Nomad and Raven, Nomad has a group on FB he tried to start up again, though he has a family now and finds it difficult to give it the time it needs. He calls the place 'lucid city' and it's set on the moon. Raven is still around, Hukif is part of the dream group I am in, yeah, and man of Shred is not really interested in it anymore.

Personally speaking I love shared dreaming, I ve never been at the same level as Nomad or Raven, but when I do get connections it's the most amazing and gratifying thing. It creates a whole new range of textures for dreams and shows so many new and interesting possibilities. Of course you have to be completely open with the person you are dreaming with, and be willing for anything to happen. Could you explain a little more how you understand what shared dreaming is? I would be very much interested to know!

Originally Posted by floatinghead

Could you explain a little more how you understand what shared dreaming is? I would be very much interested to know!

My understanding is that the picture and sound aspect of the shared dream is for the most part private, not shared. The shared dream 'location' is not a real place in that sense, it is more of a symbol that helps people establish the underlying connection. The nature of that connection, so far as I'm aware, is empathy. You actually become the other person a little bit, you share their mind a little bit. This requires some courage in openness, though I don't think that such courage is always an unqualified virtue. Sometimes such openness is reckless, the psychological equivalent of walking around naked in a bad part of town at night, or intentionally exposing yourself to germs during a pandemic.

Psionik has said he focuses his attempts on people he's already close to and trusts, which makes sense in that regard. I've done most of my experiments with strangers, because it is a lot easier to prove that some information has really been exchanged if you don't know anything about the other person ahead of time. Also, more importantly, when I first meet someone, there is a lot more potential of what has not yet been shared. With people I already know, there's no reason to have the shared dream, because there's no substantial new content to be shared. For the most part it is the potential for new sharing that creates the dream, not an act of will to have the dream. I have had a few connected dreams with one of my sisters, but she has lived thousands of miles from me since she was about 4 years old, so its a mixed example in that regard.

For me, the inspiration behind a dream is primarily a desire to find answers to personal philosophical problems. That's what turns my crank at a relatively deep level. So if there's something about the other person which can teach me something that's relevant to my questions, and they're open and there's a compatible motive on their end, then the dream is most likely to happen. Consciously I don't do anything to make it happen, I just decide what the topic should be, and it happens the next night or it doesn't.

Dream premonitions are very closely related to whatever reality makes shared dreaming work. Actually, I started off having a lot of premonitions, and noticed that there's always a shared element to such dreams, then I started focusing more on that. The connection in the dream is outside of time in some sense. So it is not necessary for both people to be dreaming at the same time, and I never attempt to coordinate that, I just aim to have the dream on the same night so that it doesn't get mixed up as much with other dream interactions with other people.

Other people emphasize other aspects of 'shared dreaming', and don't describe it the way I do, but that's what it is for me.

Originally Posted by floatinghead

It demands a lot of dedication! I have a dream group I have been part of for a few years now, it means posting your dj to each other everyday and intent on dreamsharing everyday...

Sign me up. I have a whole summer vacation to practice this before work starts again. I am out of practice, I know this. Work took a lot out of me this year. However, I've been working on improving my recall and lucidity (only been off work for a week now). Last night I had a few seconds of lucidity in REM. So that's progress. I'm getting back into it, slowly but surely.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

My understanding is that the picture and sound aspect of the shared dream is for the most part private, not shared. The shared dream 'location' is not a real place in that sense, it is more of a symbol that helps people establish the underlying connection. The nature of that connection, so far as I'm aware, is empathy. You actually become the other person a little bit, you share their mind a little bit. This requires some courage in openness, though I don't think that such courage is always an unqualified virtue. Sometimes such openness is reckless, the psychological equivalent of walking around naked in a bad part of town at night, or intentionally exposing yourself to germs during a pandemic.

Other people emphasize other aspects of 'shared dreaming', and don't describe it the way I do, but that's what it is for me.

I've had experiences where I've touched the edge of my dream world (like a bubble/dome), and communicated with another's dream world, while lucid. I don't think they were lucid at the time, though. That was cool. Was unable to confirm the validity of it.

Also, I play a lot in the trance state (HI state, in between dreams and such), which is all auditory for me. Rarely visuals. Mostly thought impressions of varying loudness. However, in this realm, as long as I'm not too sleepy, I can communicate with others I have emotional connections with. Sort of like mind reading. (( EDIT: I want to express that I am not convinced that everything I hear is true. In fact, I've had confirmed failures as well. )) I had a friend a work who could do the same - although he was much more visual; less auditory. We did confirm picking up on each others thoughts, and it was truly amazing. However, our emotional connection wasn't strong enough (on my end anyways) to make it a regular habit. Unfortunately, he no longer works where I work, so my telepathy partner is gone.

Problems arise when I'm communicating with multiple people, or when I'm too tired and start getting sloppy. Messages can get mixed up, and also your imagination can "fill in the blanks" in ways you want it to. This is a problem, seems to happen to me when I'm sleepy, and then I get messages like I did not say that.


I swear... you either devote your life to this subject, or run far, far away. Because sanity? That's a luxury when you're venturing in the complete unknown.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

My understanding is that the picture and sound aspect of the shared dream is for the most part private, not shared. The shared dream 'location' is not a real place in that sense, it is more of a symbol that helps people establish the underlying connection. The nature of that connection, so far as I'm aware, is empathy. You actually become the other person a little bit, you share their mind a little bit. This requires some courage in openness, though I don't think that such courage is always an unqualified virtue. Sometimes such openness is reckless, the psychological equivalent of walking around naked in a bad part of town at night, or intentionally exposing yourself to germs during a pandemic.

Psionik has said he focuses his attempts on people he's already close to and trusts, which makes sense in that regard. I've done most of my experiments with strangers, because it is a lot easier to prove that some information has really been exchanged if you don't know anything about the other person ahead of time. Also, more importantly, when I first meet someone, there is a lot more potential of what has not yet been shared. With people I already know, there's no reason to have the shared dream, because there's no substantial new content to be shared. For the most part it is the potential for new sharing that creates the dream, not an act of will to have the dream. I have had a few connected dreams with one of my sisters, but she has lived thousands of miles from me since she was about 4 years old, so its a mixed example in that regard.

For me, the inspiration behind a dream is primarily a desire to find answers to personal philosophical problems. That's what turns my crank at a relatively deep level. So if there's something about the other person which can teach me something that's relevant to my questions, and they're open and there's a compatible motive on their end, then the dream is most likely to happen. Consciously I don't do anything to make it happen, I just decide what the topic should be, and it happens the next night or it doesn't.

Dream premonitions are very closely related to whatever reality makes shared dreaming work. Actually, I started off having a lot of premonitions, and noticed that there's always a shared element to such dreams, then I started focusing more on that. The connection in the dream is outside of time in some sense. So it is not necessary for both people to be dreaming at the same time, and I never attempt to coordinate that, I just aim to have the dream on the same night so that it doesn't get mixed up as much with other dream interactions with other people.

Other people emphasize other aspects of 'shared dreaming', and don't describe it the way I do, but that's what it is for me.

This is wonderful!, I believe now is the time!