Thread: How to be reasonably certain you are having an OBE rather than a lucid dream?

^^ You are correct. I naively assumed that an OBE would mean that you have exited your physical body and moved your essence into your waking-life's physical environment... hence the whole "OBE" thing. I had also assumed that travel to other dimensions beyond the physical world was the role of AP, so clearly I've been out of the loop of the developing OBE/AP lexicon...hmm; this does sort of explain why I've always considered OBE'ing a potentially dull exercise (i.e., why would I want to make the effort to leave my body just to powerlessly float around my own home or neighborhood?).

Still, wouldn't the same issues exist for making changes in other dimensions, regardless of how nonphysical they may be? After all, they are still places separate from your own mind/dreamscape, so there would still need to be some unusual force necessary to make changes -- arguably even more unusual than your original physical dimension, given their possibly extreme alien nature.

So, Vince, I stand by what I said earlier: in my opinion, based on both my apparently antiquated view of OBE and my equal reluctance to believe we innately have the power to change the environments of new dimensions well beyond the range of our dreaming minds, you were still correct in the first place!

But none of this has anything to do with knowing you are definitely OBE'ing, does it?

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ You are correct. I naively assume that an OBE would mean that you have exited your physical body and moved your essence into your waking-life's physical environment... hence the whole "OBE" thing. I had also assumed that travel to other dimensions beyond the physical world was the role of AP, so clearly I've been out of the loop of the developing OBE/AP lexicon...hmm; this does sort of explain why I've always considered OBE'ing a potentially dull exercise (i.e., why would I want to make the effort to leave my body just to powerlessly float around my own home or neighborhood?).

Still, wouldn't the same issues exist for making changes in other dimensions, regardless of how nonphysical they may be? After all, they are still places separate from your own mind/dreamscape, so there would still need to be some unusual force necessary to make changes -- arguably even more unusual than your original physical dimension, given their possibly extreme alien nature.

So, Vince, I stand by what I said earlier: in my opinion, based on both my apparently antiquated view of OBE and my equal reluctance to believe we innately have the power to change the environments of new dimensions well beyond the range of our dreaming minds, you were still correct in the first place!

But none of this has anything to do with knowing you are definitely OBE'ing, does it?

Regarding unusual force needed to change nonphysical dimensions, apparently certain dimensions respond to conscious and subconscious thought and energy as an almost natural function of the substance that makes up the environment. I wouldn't assume that nonphysical reality takes on the same characteristics as the physical plane, especially given the extremely limited nature of our physical world compared to the inner/nonphysical realms experienced during LDs and OBEs. It has also been found that certain dimensions eventually revert back to their original state when consciously altered, the changes only lasting temporarily. The way I understand the nature of nonphysical reality, it is essentially a multidimensional universe constructed by the energy of the mind (actually a co-creation of every individual mind in existence, or in other words, The One Mind or Source as a whole), so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to assume that this mind-created universe can be changed with the same material that helped to build it.

But yes, none of this actually addresses the OP directly, it is merely a side note addressing concepts that arose along the way.