Thread: Is it possible to move items in the physical world?

Anyway, back on topic. This thread is about moving stuff in the physical world from your dreams. I met someone who claimed to do it from the astral plane, in an OBE. I'll tell you the story if you're interested.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Anyway, back on topic. This thread is about moving stuff in the physical world from your dreams. I met someone who claimed to do it from the astral plane, in an OBE. I'll tell you the story if you're interested.

Please, do tell. Did you get to see them do this, did they explain how they did it and were they able to back it up? Did they explain how you could do it yourself given enough practice? I'm always interested in hearing how people can do it, even if I don't necessarily believe it. It's one more chance to see if it really is possible. If it's actually possible, at least one of the times somebody shows it or explains it, it will work and actually be possible. If you dismiss everything you hear about it right away, how would you ever know if it's actually possible, right?

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

If we can not move physical items. That means our mind is not infinite. I just realize this

Reading this, I have to ask: what made you think your mind was infinite in the first place? I don't mean to be condescending or anything, please don't take it that way. If I had to guess, it was due to a line of thinking similar to the idea that "because the universe is infinite there are infinite possibilities". However, there are problems making that assumption too. There's plenty of evidence that, if interpreted a certain way, seems to indicate that the universe is finite. If that were the case, it follows that there is a limited number of possibilities, no? If we assume the universe is infinite, and there are "infinite possibilities", does this mean that any scenario you can think of must be? I don't think that's inherently true. Despite the fact that there are an infinite number of possibilities, logically it does not follow that everything that can happen, will happen. To prove this, it's as simple as making a few observations. There is a consensus among all sane humans that there is indeed a cause, and an effect. It does not work in the opposite fashion, the arrow of time seems to point only in one general direction, even if matter and particles experience their own relative, "local" time clock. We move forward in time, not backwards. The "infinite" in infinite number of possibilities stems from the "infinite" in the assumption that our universe is infinite. Just because we can count numbers ad infinitum up and down, positive and negative, it is never possible for 4 to be equal in value to 13. So, while the universe is infinite, it means that cause and effect will continue happen, that new things will always keep happening. It also proves that the universe must follow its laws/rules. It does not mean you can break the laws of physics, it doesn't mean you can have effect preceding cause. It does not mean that your favorite anime is taking place in reality somewhere in the universe, at some point in time. It doesn't mean that at some point you will come back from the dead and find a way to evolve beyond our limitations in 4 dimensions and find a way to make the universe be made up of a bunch of infinitely small you's forming chains and forming the particles that we are composed of. It doesn't necessarily mean anything. Despite that there are an infinite amount of possibilities, there is only one possible outcome when cause winds up leading to effect.

Again, the infinite in the phrase comes from the assumed fact that the universe itself is infinite, and initial commonsense saying that that means everything will happen, but what it really means is that anything could happen. The infinite possibilities only have a finite outcome in the present. However, there are an infinite amount of finite outcomes that the universe can have (again, making the assumption the universe is infinite), but the outcomes cannot defy the natural laws of physics. I think this is a very important concept to stress to people. Most use the commonsense understanding of what "infinite universe, therefore infinite possibilities" means as proof of their idea's validity, rather than it's possible and maybe even unlikely validity.