Mind Producing Colors that the Eyes Can't See

I was wondering if the mind can produce images or colors that the eyes cannot see. I have recently started practicing advanced vision control (AVC), which is when you manipulate your environment so much that you actually start seeing other things. AVC can be mastered over a period of time so that people can eventually manipulate the other senses and sort of create a lucid dream while awake. While practicing with my eyes closed in a dark room, I have noticed that I am seeing bizzare colors, mainly purplish/blue ones that seem to glow very brightly. They are so hard to describe because I have never seen colors quite like them. So are these colors impossible to actually see, or are they just exaggerations of colors I've seen in real life? If anyone is an expert on advanced vision control, any input would be greatly appreciated.

Wow, cool. Mind telling us how you are advancing?

Where do you see these colours?

I have gotten to the point where I can see my bones and so did my friend. I didn't close my eyes but I am pretty sure if I did I would have still seen it. He did however mention that he can see it both with eyes open and closed.

Around human bodies there is a colour that you can see; I think it is a colour on the Uv/x-ray pattern

Here is the colour.
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Me and my friend believe this colour is very similar.

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Originally Posted by Dthoughts

I have gotten to the point where I can see my bones and so did my friend. I didn't close my eyes but I am pretty sure if I did I would have still seen it. He did however mention that he can see it both with eyes open and closed.
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So how do you excatly see those things? Is it as clear as physical image or more of mental visualization? I can look my hand and visualize seeing the bones and i see them but not in physical way. Its like visualizing and looking at the physical image at the same time. Its pretty cool how it all most seems as if i was seeing them but is this same what you do? Or do you actually saw the bones excatly as clear as physical image?

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Originally Posted by 4thDimension

I have recently started practicing advanced vision control (AVC), which is when you manipulate your environment so much that you actually start seeing other things. AVC can be mastered over a period of time so that people can eventually manipulate the other senses and sort of create a lucid dream while awake. .

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I practiced visualization for a while and learned to make it really clear all most as if it was happening. Now when i visualize i can easily visualize every sense. Its really useful skill in everyday life to prepare to situations and entertainment when bored but its nothing compared to really experiencing it. Is there really such a thing as AVC that is so clear its like your experiencing it like dream?
I pracised visualization by listening music and closing my eyes and creating complete story and visualization scene in my head. I tried to always make it as clear as i could and i tried to visualize with all 5 senses. That way i managed to really make it closer to dream but still nowhere near it. The next thing i did trough out the day as i was just walking or working i visualized something in physical envioroment moving and i got to the point that i all most could fool myself but still nowhere close.

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So how do you excatly see those things? Is it as clear as physical image or more of mental visualization? I can look my hand and visualize seeing the bones and i see them but not in physical way. Its like visualizing and looking at the physical image at the same time. Its pretty cool how it all most seems as if i was seeing them but is this same what you do? Or do you actually saw the bones excatly as clear as physical image?

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It was only for a few seconds because it just was a bit too much. I was actually in the shower, and done dancing and very deep breathing exercise for hours on-end. In the shower I began throat chanting in a high-pitch tone. I was actually looking at the white reflection of the tiles in which I can very very dimly see my body. While chanting ,more like humming though, I saw very, one could say extremely clearly these uv-patterns and clear-white bones. How about you, do you actually see it in ur arm? Or rather, imagining that it is there?

I am pretty bad at imagining and visualizing. For me it felt more like it was already there and my imagination had nothing to do with it. I don't think it would have changed much at this point. I feel like i was actually looking at Electromagnetic structures. I will say more about this method in my Chakra thread on this forum somewhere in the future. ;)

What I'm doing now is closing my eyes and waiting for the flashing lights that come before sleep to appear (everyone has them, some people do not notice them.) When I see these, I try to change their color and shape. I am progressing in that I am able to change them a bit, whereas when I just began, I was only able to observe them. In some of these practice sessions, I am seeing this glowing purple color, right in my field of view against the stark blackness. It is a bit like the color you showed, Dthoughts, but it is a warmer purple, if that makes any sense. I have not progressed far enough to see bones or anything like that; it is certainly something to look forward to!

"Is there really such a thing as AVC that is so clear its like your experiencing it like a dream?"

Seltiez, I'm sure even the most experienced vision controllers can't make their experiences exactly like dreams. However, I would still like to experiment with it and see how it progresses. I have regular lucid dreams at night and am pursuing AVC because I'd like to retreat to a realistic daydream once and a while when I'm bored! Also, with AVC, people have reported actually seeing things, not merely with the mind, but seemingly with their eyes. It is still difficult for me to grasp, but now that I'm beginning to have luck with it, I am understanding it little by little.

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What I'm doing now is closing my eyes and waiting for the flashing lights that come before sleep to appear (everyone has them, some people do not notice them.) When I see these, I try to change their color and shape. I am progressing in that I am able to change them a bit, whereas when I just began, I was only able to observe them. In some of these practice sessions, I am seeing this glowing purple color, right in my field of view against the stark blackness. It is a bit like the color you showed, Dthoughts, but it is a warmer purple, if that makes any sense. I have not progressed far enough to see bones or anything like that; it is certainly something to look forward to!

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Im not excatly sure if i understood correctly. Do you mean the moving dots and waves when you close you eyes? This static in your vision? Or the patterned colors that appear when you try to sleep?
I might be little experienced with this myself because of meditation. So when i close my eyes,meditate and focus on vision for awhile i start to develop depth into to the darkness. After that the dots you see when you close your eyes seems to make some sort of form. Usually at this point all the dots have turned to this bluish color and i can look into these dots. Sometimes i have seen some kind of place but never manage to make out excatly what i was seeing but it is pretty cool. I see like the bluish outlines of a room or some place and i can look into it like there was actual depth in it. Is this the same?

Yes, I mean the patterned colors when you try to sleep. With AVC, the goal is to try directly manipulating these areas of color into basic shapes, then simple pictures, and when you're ready, complex landscapes. I am still at the basic shapes stage so I don't know what it will be like to create pictures yet. I think what you described is the same sort of thing, though.

Ok thanks for giving me insight on this.i just never heard before of this. It sounds pretty cool ability. Im gonna try if i can manage to manipulate those patterns into some form of image.

Manipulation of these colors is not good way usualy its more complicate things than help at least for me.
The source of these color paterns is very different than for images and focusing to them can prevent physical vision to turn off.

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Is hard to say if it possible see ner color that eye cant see or if that color only normaly dount exist in physical enviroment.
Definitly is possible modulete color like it intesity. Good idea is test in hypnagogic state see all colors sclae i dount try it with colors but with emotions and is very intersting exprince i found emotion that i didind know before.

I have never heard of trying it with emotions. It sounds very interesting indeed. I will look into it for sure.

In some my expedimnt i reperesent emotion as peak on graph and i noced some gaps in graph of psitive emotion so i try experince whole scale.

I use graf reperesentaion to warios work with emotion , here is for instance idetification of its source
https://brmlab.cz/_media/project/bra...000&tok=626be7
https://brmlab.cz/_media/project/bra...000&tok=9fdec4

That purple blob thing you talk about I do see from time to time while meditating. I did notice this because it was like the only color that VIVIDLY stuck out to me. It would move around in the darkness. When I would focus on it it would bounce to the side a bit. It would keep doing this over and over until it was almost out of sight. Then I would look straight forward in my meditation and it would be there again. I never thought much of this. Is this similar to what you were talking about? In real life I am color blind, but it is a blue or purplish color that I see in this blob like form. Never a different color. It's always the same intense color. Almost like a weak neon dark bluish purple. Here is an example, though I can't get the color correct.

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ATA, the graphs are very interesting. To answer your question, Enigmatik, yes, that's definitely the color. It is always in a moving blob, too. Your rendition of it is very similar to what I see, though the real color is a tiny bit more warm purple. It's probably impossible to put the real color down on paper or onto the computer; you got as close as possible to the real thing. When you see it, are there a few variations of the color in the same blob? When I look at it, I notice that it is a little lighter in spots, mainly around the edges. This gives the blobs a striking contrast against the blackness.

This blobs are usualy caused by aftereffects
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The eye take fully adapt to dark up to 30 mins .Also is there tremal noise and noise in neurones . Colors are created in primary visual cortex .

The mechanizm how brain create preception of color is complex if you want i can post some more info.
Lotto Lab : Illusions

Here is info about other visul phenomena you can see
http://www.dreamviews.com/research/1...echanisms.html

You can try simple flickering light expedimnt look to some bright source of light and move hand in fronr of eyes very quicky to produce flickering effect do it few min and close eyes .I you do it right you can some geometric imgery and various colors .

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ATA, the graphs are very interesting. To answer your question, Enigmatik, yes, that's definitely the color. It is always in a moving blob, too. Your rendition of it is very similar to what I see, though the real color is a tiny bit more warm purple. It's probably impossible to put the real color down on paper or onto the computer; you got as close as possible to the real thing. When you see it, are there a few variations of the color in the same blob? When I look at it, I notice that it is a little lighter in spots, mainly around the edges. This gives the blobs a striking contrast against the blackness.

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I would have put a light boarder around the blob but I couldn't figure that part out. The color was more lit, like kind of neon with the light boarder. Heh. But I'm almost positive that we are talking about the same thing. What it is, I don't know. I did however wonder why it was that color. It has happened numerous times and it is always that same color too. Weird!

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I have never heard of trying it with emotions. It sounds very interesting indeed. I will look into it for sure.

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ATA, I am responding to you as well. The emotion idea is interesting, mostly because my dreams are so abstract and random (they aren't even consistent in how abstract and random they are) that I have felt feelings I don't know if I can ever feel again or begin to remember what they feel like, and seen geometric shapes I could never try to describe even if they were before me this very second. I would say that these things that you wonder are possible, OP, but how likely it is to occur may be totally random, but may also be able to induced. I can't really say.

I have had dreams like this my entire life, and before I ever used drugs. Now that I have used plenty, the dreams are still as random, and I can say even with my most mind blowing experiences (on the drugs), my dreams have always surpassed the drugs' ability to plaster my grey matter across my off-white apartment living room wall.

Dreams are not completely random but try to make sense of it is not much time effective there are to much "noise" . I gave some idea how get better information form them but still is not tested.
Also there is mny kinds of "dream like" states of instance in hypnagogic state is many sources of visual data i know at least 6 categories some of them with subcategories. Every catghegory have different source or mechanizm.Blobs and geomteric shape are not much useful and do not lead directly to scene like or object images.

For instance rapid flashes of images in hypnagogy are probably comunication (save) from hyppocampus with act as short term memory buffer to cortex where become by other mechanizms long term memory.
http://fisiologiafmabc.com.br/Diekel...uroscience.pdf

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Dreams are not completely random but try to make sense of it is not much time effective there are to much "noise" . I gave some idea how get better information form them but still is not tested.
Also there is mny kinds of "dream like" states of instance in hypnagogic state is many sources of visual data i know at least 6 categories some of them with subcategories. Every catghegory have different source or mechanizm.Blobs and geomteric shape are not much useful and do not lead directly to scene like or object images.

For instance rapid flashes of images in hypnagogy are probably comunication (save) from hyppocampus with act as short term memory buffer to cortex where become by other mechanizms long term memory.
http://fisiologiafmabc.com.br/Diekel...uroscience.pdf

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If you're responding to how random I said my dreams are, I just mean the scenarios, feelings, emotions, plots, characters (or lack thereof), environments, and even other things are seriously all over the place for me. Many people I know have dreams that at least hold some semblance to regular life except that some odd things happen during them, and the stranger dreams they have are usually more vivid.

For me, it does not matter if the dream is vivid or not, there are literally no rules. My mind has no limitations, it does whatever it wants, how it wants to. I have very bizarre dreams that vary in perceived in-dream-time length and I have as many dreams where I am merely an omniscient observer as I do where I am a person, sometimes I am not even that. I have had a dream in which I was a red blinking light trying to hide from "them" who were coming after me in a rather crazy rave like mall with at least 9 floors, but seemed to be very closed off. I've had a dream where I was a boy and a girl that both were mentally connected with the godzilla version of godzilla and the 1998 "zilla" version of it. The boy was the godzilla, girl the zilla. they were them, but they were also humans, they could change as they pleased between which mind they inhabited. They decided to trade places mentally between themselves, and I witnessed and felt like my brain getting torn in half by a schism and seeing it like a Rorschach but with grey matter and got to experience what it was like to be both godzillas. These are my fairly normal dreams, I cannot even begin to possibly write down the visuals, try to track the plots, the various landscapes, and characters in them for my stranger dreams. It's simply too much to explain.

This chaos in dreams is very depenent on expectations about dream reality . Many people have strong limitation by normal reality rules. You have this rules weaker . This can be usefull dream can use more symbolical forms and informtion are more precize .Still take lots of effort to uderstand them. If you want normal dream try pick some rules for dream reality by intetion after some time your dream start use this rules. Its like tanstation system if enyone read book about dream symbols brain can start use this symbols as langue to give mesage. Disatventage of you currnets state is bad memory besoue is hard to put these things to word and they are very diffrent form normal reality.

I have some vague idea for decoding dreams it by nice higlight concept and its relations in dreams by some way .Not have idea for now how do it in dream directly but i rpopably try to automatic draw some mental-map of short dream. Dream is result is be best see its source code :) .

Some concepts is very hard to put in image form iamge is main form in dreams . Usualy brain try pick up mout acurate symbol and if possible with low coolison with dream scene.
For instance on short dream i seen some alien (E.T) i decode the dream and fount thete the alien was reprezentaion of concept "foreigner".Is hard thing of better way how to display this concept like a allien of unknown kind (to avoid associations with films..) . If a use image of some person form another country a never get clear concept of foreigner form it.