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      Well sivason you are partially correct about the "pure science/atheist" deal. Many such people are just as ignorant as a zealot blinded by their own faith. I would assume they are like that because they are cynical people and it makes them feel good about themselves. But me, I am not like that. I absolutely believe that anything is possible... in fact I have my very own set of beliefs that is certainly not "atheist". The reason I deny things I don't have proof of is because of this concept:
      There are two types of probability, local and universal.
      Since we cannot even be sure if our senses are correct, which means we can't be sure anything is real, the universal probability of anything is always 50/50. The local probability is the probability of something using the assumption that what we observe is the real world. Therefore I use the scientific method. So sure, I can believe anything on a philosophical level but it is absolutely impractical to not be an "atheist/pure science believer" on the level of average life. This is because (assuming you are being logical) if you believe in something without any reason or proof, you must also believe in any other thing that you have no reason or proof to believe or disbelieve. Therefore, if you believe in shared dreaming, you must also believe in dark magic, aliens, psi, monsters under your bed, monsters in the closet, zombie virus, illuminati, everyone is a robot except you, etc. Unless, of course, you are willing to admit you have an inclination towards believing shared dreaming but not these other things. So if you have a reason to believe shared dreaming but it isn't logic or proof, what is it? Maybe the mere fact that you want to? Which in turn means that you are a non-logical person, and there is nothing wrong with it, but that doesn't mean people will believe anything you say. I, in fact, also use such non-logical beliefs such as the fact that I believe there is something after death simply because I want to.

      To VinceField:
      The same thing goes for you. This is surely possible, and I don't see any reason you shouldn't believe that, but there is also absolutely no reason or proof you should. Therefore you might as well say it isn't real. Well, sure if you want to spice up your life with supernatural concepts such as these go for it, but I choose to live in this local reality because I think reality is extremely beautiful without human-imagined things, and if there is something innately supernatural or spiritual about it, I want to keep my eyes pealed for that instead of not seeing it because I am too focused on concepts of my own creation. Well, actually such as mentioned above there are a few things I choose to believe in, but I am very open and I don't bother pretending that I have any good reason to believe in them.


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      Last edited by Avian; 10-25-2014 at 12:50 AM.
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