Metaphysics - God Gene - Spirituality

[kkawohl]

I have had a total of three experiences in my 64 years. I can't say for sure if these were lucid dreams or something else, so your opinions are sincerely appreciated. The first one was when I had a near-death experience in 1956 at age fifteen it felt like my soul traveled into another existence; it seemed to want to clarify what happens to us after death. I attempted to and twice repeated this experiment in 2001 when I placed my body in stasis and via transcendental meditation again accessed this place where spiritual life seemed to thrive. All subsequent attempts were unsuccessful. It was a weird spiritual interaction, like “tapping into the mind of the knowledge of ALL"; a collective consciousness that had the intellect of everything that ever happened in the entire universe from the beginning to the present. Then my mind’s interpretation thereof created mental images that do not literally exist, as if similar to the spiritual interactions of so-called prophets from which they then created our present image and interpretations of who or what the spiritual existence was. Does a god gene exist? What is your opinion? See http://washingtontimes.com/world/20041114-...11404-8087r.htm Namaste, Kurt

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by kkawohl I have had a total of three experiences in my 64 years. I can't say for sure if these were lucid dreams or something else, so your opinions are sincerely appreciated. The first one was when I had a near-death experience in 1956 at age fifteen it felt like my soul traveled into another existence; it seemed to want to clarify what happens to us after death. I attempted to and twice repeated this experiment in 2001 when I placed my body in stasis and via transcendental meditation again accessed this place where spiritual life seemed to thrive. All subsequent attempts were unsuccessful. It was a weird spiritual interaction, like “tapping into the mind of the knowledge of ALL\"; a collective consciousness that had the intellect of everything that ever happened in the entire universe from the beginning to the present. Then my mind’s interpretation thereof created mental images that do not literally exist, as if similar to the spiritual interactions of so-called prophets from which they then created our present image and interpretations of who or what the spiritual existence was. Does a god gene exist? What is your opinion? See http://washingtontimes.com/world/20041114-...11404-8087r.htm Namaste, Kurt Well, hello, Kurt. It's good to have another Old Man on the page, as well as having another Orientalist. Yes, this God Gene may be quite a fact. Certainly it seems a fact that some people are simply more predisposed for almost anything than other people. Are am sure there are probably Music Genes, Artistic Genes, Language Genes, General Intelligence Genes. Where we are not all the same, there must be a genetic differentiation in order to account for the differences, no? Really, as much as one can theoretically suppose that any sinner from a long line of sinners can, from five minutes of remorse, become as Religious as any saint, the actual history of Religiousity probably would not support that notion. Looking at the lives of actual saints, one finds that Saints come from Saintly Families. Equally, one finds popular rural superstitions that suppose that evil likewise runs in 'families', or non-families -- supposing that the 3rd generation of bastards would be born straight to the devil. So, yes, one should favorably consider such things when thinking of finding a mother for one's children, or a father if one happens to be a lady. Health, intelligence, a sense for morality and enough charity to be supposed of Civilized stock as opposed to being a Barbarian by Blood, and, now, a predisposition to Religious Vision and a sense for the Spiritual Basis for all Existence. Indeed, it should perhaps be a new reference for the definition of Humanity. We do have the stories from Genesis which find that Adam and Eve, our first Human Parents, were beset upon all sides by other 'people'. The mix of the children of Adam and Eve with these other peoples did not work out well, and a hugely evil population ensued as a result. Apparently God set aside the best of the misture in Noah and his family and killed off the rest in a flood. Ofcourse this is all Metaphor, but it points out that our Cultural Mythologists were well aware of the existence within Humanity of both good strains and evil ones. You know, Biogenetic Engineers have expressed concern that it is probably entirely likely that deadly diseases could be genetically designed which could target specific genetic structures as either key suscepters or keys to specific immunity. Wouldn't be wonderful to isolate of good matrix of minimally qualifying genes that all Civilized People should possess, and then design a Disease which would allow immunity to those who possessed that particular matrix of genes. It would be like the Great Flood, only this time it would be more selective for the exclusive survival of Good, unlike with Noah's Arc in which a certain amount of evil was able to board the boat to live and breed into a Population that would murder its Messiah. It may sound like implausible Conspiracy Theory, but I do believe that diseases have already been engineered. Back in the seventies the World was fearful of an insane population explosion, especially out of Africa, a continent least able to assimulate a large population. Then, suddenly, we have a radically complicated disease, impossible of cure, that specifically targeted anal intercourse, which just happens to be a favorite party passtime for sub-Saharan Africans (something about anal intercourse not being a violation of adultary laws, while opening the available sexual pool to boys as well as girls and women. Anyway, the propensity for anal-intercourse in Africa would certainly have been noticable to any behavioral anthropologist. I really suspect that HIV AIDS was designed in order to target this propensity. Indeed, almost every time there is a AIDS Conference, the speakers are instructed to not emphasize the factor of Anal Intercourse, supposing that their funding largely depends upon the General Population perceiving AIDS as a likely threat, and not just those people who have a predelection for sodomy. But, now the sophistication of genetic science worries me. The next round of World War could be a secret war of various designed epidemics. The White Nations could target the Black, or the Chinese could target non-Asians. Nations would not really know they were under attack until somebody would eventually discover a demigraphic immunity that nobody would at first even be looking for. Anyway... enough of that digression. Kurt, you seem to be saying that you had that one huge Spiritual Experience, and then precious few others all the rest of your life, until those relatively recent Meditational Experiences. What I have found on this site is that some people are disposed to have occassional Spiritual Dreams... not as many as they would like, but enough to definitely mark them off as 'Spiritual'. So, it seems odd that you have these huge experiences, but then seem bereft of dreams. Perhaps we can work on that dirth. You came to the right place.

[kkawohl]

Thank you for the warm welcome and and your informative concepts. I comletely agree with you. Namaste, Kurt

[Gypsie]

Hi Kurt I'm new on this boards just as you are. While I was reading though this forum I saw several posts about which I swore to myself I would not touch them yet. But I like to give my thoughts on your post here My main reason for coming here are dreams. Nevertheless my life is full of spiritual experiences that for most part I can't explain, If I would write them down I probably had a 700 pages book,lol. In search for "truth" I've studied many different paths and belief-systems, some very active, others just in theory. I had two very different NDE's/OBE's: The first one I was 17 years old. I had the very light type of spiritual beliefs: God, heaven, angels, the all nice and peacefull afterlife,... I was in the hospital after I had an accident with my bike. They placed me in a bed on the hallway of the ER while I was waiting to get x-rays (half conscious). At one point I was awake, I had just spoken to the doctor, when I noticed something was changing in my vision. It was as if my surroundsings (the walls, chairs, ppl) where faiding away and a new world appeared. I was still there though my body was not, then "other kind" of people where appearing, they were all white as if they where covered in some kind of mist and everything felt very peacefull. I could hear them talking all at once like when your in a crowded room and everyone is talking though each other, but I didnt understand a word of it Next thing I know I was back in my bed on the ER. The second time I was 26 years old. Now by this time my spirituality had changed a lot and at this time I didn't believe in God or heaven anymore, I stoped believing in and hoping for some form of 'afterlife unity' but more in an 'individual' afterlife in which everyone is responsible for his own actions and survival. Some would call this dark spirituality. So I was 26 and I was under narcose while my wisdom teeth where being pulled out. First thing I noticed was similar to sleep paralasys, I was fully concious but not able to move speak or open my eyes and I had the feeling I was suffocating. At this moment I paniced because I knew I was going to die if I didnt take a breath soon and there was no way I could ask anyone to help me. Next I had the sensation that I was there but my body was not (just like in my first experience), only now, everything around me was dark and I was completely alone. You can't imagine, and I can't explain in a way that would describe this exaclty as it was, the feeling of 'nothingness or emptiness or alone-ness' I had at that moment. I don't know how long this lasted, but I remember it vividly... I kept thinking: why is there no one here? Shouldn't there be someone waiting for me? Shouldn't I see spirits or somthing? Shouldn't there be light here? It was horrible. When I tell this story a lot of people comment on the heaven/hell duality that is in both my experiences. Though personally I don't believe in either of them. I can't explain what happened, I can't even say for sure that it was an NDE or OBE or merely imagination, shock symptoms or dreams. I don't know if there is an afterlife though I hope there is... though I still prefer the "outside the box" look. But if I had to give my thoughts on this then I'd say that I believe that you experience things according to your belief system, according what you long for most of all or that what you fear most of all.

[CFTraveler]

Wouldn't be wonderful to isolate of good matrix of minimally qualifying genes that all Civilized People should possess, and then design a Disease which would allow immunity to those who possessed that particular matrix of genes. It would be like the Great Flood, only this time it would be more selective for the exclusive survival of Good, unlike with Noah's Arc in which a certain amount of evil was able to board the boat to live and breed into a Population that would murder its Messiah. [/b] Isn't that how Eugenics/Nazism started?

[kimpossible]

Welcome to the forum, CF Traveler! An excellent observation! >> specifically targeted anal intercourse No it doesn't. I has nothing to do with anal intercourse in any specific. The vector for HIV is through exchange of fluids (and ignorance, as your post demonstrated). I would also take issue with "impossible of cure" - no such thing. And with modern combined-drug treatments, the death-toll in developed nations is negligible now. HIV certainly kills significantly less people than even a single form of cancer (for the higher mortality-rate cancers, such as lung or colon)