Thread: Black holes while Astral projecting.

That means if I every time feel separation(Body really doesn't want to let my spiritual body go, it is like it tries to hold me back) then I'm not really doing astral travel? What do I do then? I thought that around 95% of my OBE I'm walking around in astral dimension which is surrounding physical 4D dimension(physical), therefore I could see physical world, but since I'm one dimension higher it is harder to target time and particular timeline. I don't understand 5D world therefore I can see it like 4D and additional dimension is not sensed. But it makes some strange transitions in space and time possible.

Why it has to be someone in astral? Why not imagination of people? They maybe feel tugging of something back to their body and they imagine a rope.. or something. I feel something like that by separation, but there is nothing visible or invisible. That tugging stops to be sensible after I do separation from body... I nearly never looking back to where my body lies... Only recently I try to heal my body from astral(half a year I have autoimmune illness induced by chlamydia pneumoniae... nasty... ). I'm not successful it seems.

Are non of you familiair with Chakra points? In my experience with Chakra's they are a very important factor. Psionik, do you have an opinion?

I don't conclude that Astral Projection is perfectly safe though. I have personally interacted with not so nice astral entities and experienced physical illness as a result. One entity claimed that he could kill me if he wanted to. Not sure if methaphorical, lied, or that he could actually kill me. But he did have power much larger than mine. Luckily it has become a friend.

Mostly I think that if any dangers they are in a psychological sense. I find it remarkable that I can have wild experiences or see some really strange things and just as easily forget about it the next day and go to school. It says something to me about an inherent safety. It is like a dream. Nobody assumes that you can die from dreaming. But to be honest, it is not proven and loads of people die in their sleep. Now.. It would be hilarious if people where afraid to fall asleep now. '

I woulden't even let that thought stop me. The only thing I am afraid of is posession. I think it is a real astral thing. Robert Monroe's work claims that he had dozens of cases of posession during his research. Where some of them could suddenly speak languages the 'posessed body' wasn't even capable of understanding. Which would be excellent prove that something is going on but it does scare me a little bit since I live on the 10th floor I prefer not to channel entities. I have once been asked by an entity to let me channel him but I politely refused at the time because he didn't look very nice.

All in all though, I'm not paranoid these days and kind of realized that nothing is inherently evil and in a lot of cases a little bit of understanding and compassion goes a long way. I mean 'love' in an unconditional sense serves as a protection because nothing not even the devil himself can deny being loved and loving you back on some level. But that doesn't mean that just like in real life it is not very wise to start loving a serial killing and letting him sleep over at your house. That would just be plain stupid. Same thing for the astral.

But i like u guys' explanation for how a chord developed. I guess in a methaphorical sense there is some tugging to the human body. I find it unlikely that you can really dream yourself away forever. I think there is some anchor here that we are unable to control.

I heard about chakras, even tried concentration on them... without effect. When I concentrate on gravity, on heat traveling through my body, I imagine it like flow... I didn't found any points by such practices. When I breath in, I feel like something is traveling from legs and hands up to top of my head. It often comes with goose bumps traveling up... and with breathing out I let energy fountain out of my body. I let it surround me, or I let it inside my body, where I want it have. When I do it while out of body, I see that energy. I can use it as weapon... or as simple light. I usually used it as passive weapon.

There is no fear. I have yet to meet someone able to hurt me there. I had only few encounters with unfriendly entities and I was able to overpower them very easily.
I reach inside and bring out torrents of energy... it is not always looking the same(sometimes it is blueviolet bright aura, sometimes are lightenings cracking around me, mainly hands, sometimes it is nearly invisible...), but effect is. Even demons fear me when I bring it out. Maybe I'm too overconfident

Strange things happen sometimes... like when I tried to find a guide in past... I concentrated and once he appeared- an old man... he spotted me and started to hysterically laugh. I went to him and he run away. I met three devils. Little ruddy creatures. They insulted me, but I didn't react on that. I went to them to try to conversate. They run away. I was as guide in hell to help my friend and demons run once I concentrated on my inner energy.

Hmmm posession... never experienced even touch of someone on my physical body.

Sorry, I write through smartphone, so I don't see what I write like when I do that on computer.

Mental Projection, I have heard of that before but didn't understand fully well intill I read your post. So when mental projecting that's reaches to a different plane from the astral. That's very interesting, I'll try to look more in to it.

Robert monroe studies show that possesion have happen before? Is it in one of his books where he mention this. Not saying possesion is fact but to me it would make sense since OBE to me is like telepathic communication. But I can not be sure, I still find it interesting that possesion is linked with Robert monroe. I would have never guess he talk about such things.

Originally Posted by ViIe

Mental Projection, I have heard of that before but didn't understand fully well intill I read your post. So when mental projecting that's reaches to a different plane from the astral. That's very interesting, I'll try to look more in to it.

Different plane, yes. It was written it is also in 5 dimension... the type of thought process and feeling is different from astral plane. Surrounding is different. It looks more pristine then higher levels of astral. Everything shines, sparkling. Even air.

I don't know how to do directed projection or walking. Only about 5% of my OBE went into mental dimension... I think.

Hey Psionik,
do you have a link to the different dimensions? I would like to learn a little more about it. I may have experienced such other dimensions but I have never seen or understood how those dimensions differ from one another.
What is the difference between walking projection and mental projection. Can you give an example of how you experience it?

So far, I think I can relate to your AP experience more than anyone else that I have read or talked to.

@ Dthoughts
I use color imagery A LOT. Some may call it chakra's or aura. Also during meditation for AP, I tend to move the energy from my feet up to the crown of my head so that the body becomes numb and the energy is consumed mostly for thought projection or conscious projection. At the time I am ready to project, I feel no BODY. Someone here on DV gave a seminar about Mental Yoga or something similar to that name. Basically visualization skills training. That use of visualization has been a staple for my AP's and AT's for about 30 years.
Can you also give some examples of your experience and how you get there Dthoughts? I am becoming very interested in different techniques to achieve different types of OOBE.

Originally Posted by ViIe

Robert monroe studies show that possesion have happen before? Is it in one of his books where he mention this. Not saying possesion is fact but to me it would make sense since OBE to me is like telepathic communication. But I can not be sure, I still find it interesting that possesion is linked with Robert monroe. I would have never guess he talk about such things.

Thats an interesting concept. Possession. Maybe it is more like a co-mingling of others, and our perception in this state is what is off and maybe there is no possession by other beings.

Maybe the less aware and concentrated people are, the more probable will be possession. Power seems to be dependent of concentration and will.
But really, I don't have my own experience with possession.