A Thought On Dream Sharing ^ w ^

[DawnEye11]

Hi. I'm new to this website and was thinking about the topic of dream sharing. I'm curious about it and had a question about it. From what I read you can probably share a dream with someone you've never met before or with someone you have and dream guides are important. But what is a dream guide? Would you call the person that saves you from your nightmares and kind of hangs out with you when your bored in a dream your dream guide?Another thing i would like to mention is I don't like magic, spells and I don't believe in that past lives thing. Oh and what do dream guides really do?

[shadowofwind]

Magic spells seem stupid to me, and I don't believe in past lives. But I'm pretty sure we inherit karma somehow. I don't think there's a simple answer to 'what is a dream guide'. Its a part of your own subconscious, and its personal and fallible, but its more than that also. It can give some advice and other help you need if you're not getting it all adequately through external experiences. I think you can call your dream friend/savior a guide, but as with any other guide, the name never quite fits. You could also call it God, or an angel, or an entity, or your higher self, or your subconscious, or nature, or a demon, or a familiar spirit, none of the names are quite appropriate.

[DawnEye11]

Magic spells seem stupid to me, and I don't believe in past lives. But I'm pretty sure we inherit karma somehow. I don't think there's a simple answer to 'what is a dream guide'. Its a part of your own subconscious, and its personal and fallible, but its more than that also. It can give some advice and other help you need if you're not getting it all adequately through external experiences. I think you can call your dream friend/savior a guide, but as with any other guide, the name never quite fits. You could also call it God, or an angel, or an entity, or your higher self, or your subconscious, or nature, or a demon, or a familiar spirit, none of the names are quite appropriate. Oh ok. Thanks for taking your time to comment! : D

[Dthoughts]

Awesome questioning though, Why do you dislike magic spells ? And how come you disfavor past lives as truth? Don't have any recurring dream guides or anything so i can't really comment. I agree with Shadowofwind though I think demon is one of the most invalid of all these lists. It is not even malevolent, how did you come to apply the term demon to dream guides and things, @shadowofwind?

[DawnEye11]

I dont like magic because of its origin and I dont believe in the past lives things because I doubt a God of love would create humans to be reborn as different people. I mean which is better to live your life with different loves, different deaths and different jobs or to live your life with your true love. your true dream job and your chozen experiences that really mold you into you? Past lives has more downs to it than being the only true you. A God of love would not put us through that.

[Psionik]

My wife believes of super consciousness, consciousness consisting of consciousnesses of every human. If there is communal consciousness then dream sharing is possible. I believe that Loving God doesn't care because of love. We are who we are. We are experiencing evolution of mind/soul. We are not static. We are different from moment to moment. Only static human would be a dead one. Christian interpretation Of Loving and Caring God has a flaw. Who loves doesn't judge. Who loves is not condemning even if other side(his creation) is not doing what he is not supposing to. What more, logic dictates- if you are made to choose and choose wrongly you are not in fault if you choose different. It is fault of entity who makes you to choose. I believe more of impersonal GOD. Then, there is not condemnation. But there is not caring (fostering) too. There is love whether you are or you aren't good. Impersonal love. There is no hell, well not christian one. There is personal hell, and everybody has one. But that hell can change to heaven- it is matter of view. If I'm sad and not able to see love then I'm in a hell. When I find peace, then hell dissolves. Maybe there is a little similarity in between afterlife and dream(or OBE, or projections)... Our afterlife would be maybe similar to what we are dream of... If someone lives in fear, and his dreams reflect fears, maybe even after death that fears will remain. Such human will be in afterlife in hell of fear. Everything he fears will be tormenting him. I remember saying- when we are dying, we cant take to afterlife material things, only that what defines us, our memories, thoughts... and if they consist of fears? Then our fears will materialize around us. Reincarnation would then serve as way to evolve out of old wrong habits. And would follow till it is not necessary.

[DawnEye11]

My wife believes of super consciousness, consciousness consisting of consciousnesses of every human. If there is communal consciousness then dream sharing is possible. I believe that Loving God doesn't care because of love. We are who we are. We are experiencing evolution of mind/soul. We are not static. We are different from moment to moment. Only static human would be a dead one. Christian interpretation Of Loving and Caring God has a flaw. Who loves doesn't judge. Who loves is not condemning even if other side(his creation) is not doing what he is not supposing to. What more, logic dictates- if you are made to choose and choose wrongly you are not in fault if you choose different. It is fault of entity who makes you to choose. I believe more of impersonal GOD. Then, there is not condemnation. But there is not caring (fostering) too. There is love whether you are or you aren't good. Impersonal love. There is no hell, well not christian one. There is personal hell, and everybody has one. But that hell can change to heaven- it is matter of view. If I'm sad and not able to see love then I'm in a hell. When I find peace, then hell dissolves. Maybe there is a little similarity in between afterlife and dream(or OBE, or projections)... Our afterlife would be maybe similar to what we are dream of... If someone lives in fear, and his dreams reflect fears, maybe even after death that fears will remain. Such human will be in afterlife in hell of fear. Everything he fears will be tormenting him. I remember saying- when we are dying, we cant take to afterlife material things, only that what defines us, our memories, thoughts... and if they consist of fears? Then our fears will materialize around us. Reincarnation would then serve as way to evolve out of old wrong habits. And would follow till it is not necessary. I think your statement of who love doesn't judge is wrong when you apply it to the almighty God.He judges because he is more knowlegable and wise to make the decision and because he wants the best for those who want to do what's right.Therefore showing that he loves them. He also shows it by giving people the oppertunity to get to know him. If you know its wrong and want to make a bad decision than its your fault not his.For example, If i see a rotten fruit and eat it than its my fault if i get sick cause it was my decision. It's not his fault because he made fruit.Theres other fruit out there that i can eat that aren't rotten.I didn't know that reincarnation had a stop to it though. But even so I still don't believe in it nor do i like the idea.

[Psionik]

OK... so, allmighty and allknowing GOD created us and then he as allknowing he set us into environment where he knows, that many will fail. And in infinite love he does that, so he can(or is forced?) to throw us into hell. If he is allknowing and infinitely loving, then why this? Is this a game? If he is infinitely loving, why should exist devils? Why would he create anything, he knows it will go to hell??? If this life has to be something for us, some kind of test, then it has meaning only if we learn something. No lesson is learnt on first time, without exercising. We can't be programmed. We weren't created as such. It would be plain stupid to discipline someone, if that creation is made that way. Only possibility is that this is all a game, and he is a small child, which sets part of creation on path to hell, and part on path to heaven. There wouldn't be love. It would be a game. With outcoming set on start of game. Sorry, I can't believe in such stupidity. In one of my OBEs I projected into infinite space, where souls were shining as stars... and that space was filled with love. I was submerged into it, so much that I wasn't able to think not even slightly about something what would disturb love. In such state I would be loving unconditionally even most evil entity. One friend who is more religious asked me- Why don't you believe in God(he meant christian one) when you saw him, when you lived in his love? Answer is simple, I believe. I hesitate to name that entity God. Because my upbringing would suggest that I believe in poor explanation of him such as written into "holly" books... or spoken by other human. There are evil entities, but they aren't set to be evil forever. To be evil means not to see... To love means not to judge. If you loved, you know that. To love doesn't mean to be blind of shortcomings. It means also you have understanding and forgiving for objects of your love. There can not be hell. Your love would be against such thing... If you love someone, and that someone doesn't reflect your love, you know that there can't be forced change(free will). You can only wait. For eternity. You can be there for object of your love for eternity waiting, giving a chances to change angle of view, to understand. But never condemning.

[shadowofwind]

I agree with Shadowofwind though I think demon is one of the most invalid of all these lists. It is not even malevolent, how did you come to apply the term demon to dream guides and things, @shadowofwind? I don't use the word pejoratively. Originally daimons were not generally considered malevolent. Then later people tried to subdivide all spirits into good and evil categories. I don't think that's right, for people or for spirits. The word 'angel' isn't quite appropriate either, since to many people it implies infallibility, and dream guides typically are not. So sometimes I use the word angel, and sometimes demon, because they're the closest words for what I'm referring to, and maybe we can eventually reclaim the words from the religious partisans. I don't spell it daimon because I'm not Greek. I don't use the word angel as often, because people are more likely to draw the absolutist inferences from that word, since its usually clear that I'm not speaking ill of demons. Just to be clear, when I suggest that spirits can't be understood as all good or all evil, I'm not advocating amorality or suggesting that there is no right and wrong.

[DawnEye11]

OK... so, allmighty and allknowing GOD created us and then he as allknowing he set us into environment where he knows, that many will fail. And in infinite love he does that, so he can(or is forced?) to throw us into hell. If he is allknowing and infinitely loving, then why this? Is this a game? If he is infinitely loving, why should exist devils? Why would he create anything, he knows it will go to hell??? If this life has to be something for us, some kind of test, then it has meaning only if we learn something. No lesson is learnt on first time, without exercising. We can't be programmed. We weren't created as such. It would be plain stupid to discipline someone, if that creation is made that way. Only possibility is that this is all a game, and he is a small child, which sets part of creation on path to hell, and part on path to heaven. There wouldn't be love. It would be a game. With outcoming set on start of game. Sorry, I can't believe in such stupidity. In one of my OBEs I projected into infinite space, where souls were shining as stars... and that space was filled with love. I was submerged into it, so much that I wasn't able to think not even slightly about something what would disturb love. In such state I would be loving unconditionally even most evil entity. One friend who is more religious asked me- Why don't you believe in God(he meant christian one) when you saw him, when you lived in his love? Answer is simple, I believe. I hesitate to name that entity God. Because my upbringing would suggest that I believe in poor explanation of him such as written into "holly" books... or spoken by other human. There are evil entities, but they aren't set to be evil forever. To be evil means not to see... To love means not to judge. If you loved, you know that. To love doesn't mean to be blind of shortcomings. It means also you have understanding and forgiving for objects of your love. There can not be hell. Your love would be against such thing... If you love someone, and that someone doesn't reflect your love, you know that there can't be forced change(free will). You can only wait. For eternity. You can be there for object of your love for eternity waiting, giving a chances to change angle of view, to understand. But never condemning. I believe the word Hell is symbolic and not a literal place. It would'nt make sense for a loving God to place people in a place of eternal fire. Also, I respect your opinion so i rather not discuss it further and i dont want to go back and forth about it. But I appreciate you taking your time to comment so thanks.

[Psionik]

OK... I thank you about your opinion. Is your opinion based on your own research and experience? Mine is, partially... a few things are extrapolated, but I'm working on finding out as much as possible.