Dream that shook my foundation of reality

[Moloch]

First, let me apologize for having not read/searched many threads before posting this, but it seems the fastest way to get the answers I am looking for. I have had some experience in the past with different kinds of dreams. For example, I have had dreams before that I call a premonition dream, where an event happens in my dream, then within a week (usually the next morning) the event happens exactly as it did in my dream. For me, this kind of dream feels different than a normal dream, so I know that this event is about to take place even before it happens. Another type of dream I have had involves the feeling of another person actually being in the dream with me. I may be in a group of 20 people in the dream, but there will be one person in particular that feels like they are actually there with me. Until recently I have never had any sort of confirmation that this is actually true, and I just chalked it up to the mind can do some strange things, especially while sleeping. To get to the point; A couple nights ago I had a dream where I felt a friend there, which has really only happened a few times in my entire life (I'm 28). In the past it has always been a person that I was no longer in contact with, so I could not ask them about it. I had seen my friend that was in my dream on the next day, and she mentioned that she had a dream about me at the exact time of day that I had this dream. I told her what happened in my dream, but I couldn't remember the exact details of the words she spoke. As I was telling her this, I could see her eyes reacting in a strange way. When I was finished telling her about it, she corrected me on a couple details, including the exact words she had used in my dream, which I had got wrong when I told it to her. I am a very skeptical person, and would never believe a story like this if someone told it to me. It took me a couple days to reconcile this dream with myself, but I am now 100% certain that we were both in this dream together, and it completely shakes my foundation of reality, and I don't know what this might imply, or what to do about it. I had always felt that my dreams were a figment of my imagination, and that they were mine alone; that nobody could 'dreamwalk' into my dreams or any of that. If I ever heard a story about this type of thing I would assume people were imagining things that were not there, but I just can't do that with this one, there is no writing it off.. It happened.

[Specialis Sapientia]

Very interesting Moloch Only you experienced it, never let anyone tell you what it was, or was not. I have a question, was you lucid at that moment where you talked with your friend? Did you know it was a dream, or did you talk with her like you would just do in a ordinary dream. Some months ago, I was with my school mates in a dream, I got lucid, and talked with the dream characters, I told one of them a password to remember (in the case it wasn't a DG, which it probably was). Unfortunately this person which I told the password (you would never guess what the password was hehe) in the dream is horribly with any dream recall, dream is not important for him, so anyway it was pointless.. If you were lucid, and you are sure that this person you are talking with in the dream, is more than just a figment of your imagination, then give the person a password they won't guess. And ask after the dream, in waking life before giving any kinds of hints. I see that such a situation would be very rare, but just remember it if it happens again

[Moloch]

Only you experienced it, never let anyone tell you (what) it was, or was not. I do not believe this is the case anymore. I believe this was a dream we both had simultaneously... This is the version of the dream I told her about: I first told her that this was not a premonition dream, since those feel different to me. (Brief interlude on that topic, see note). I told her that it felt like she was right there with me in the dream, even though it didn't look like her, I could feel that she was right there with me. We were standing in a driveway, but it was not my driveway, or hers. We were standing next to my car when she pulled out a cigarette, and I said, "You don't smoke." She replied, "I know, but I just need one right now." Then my alarm clock went off and woke me up. She told me that was the exact dream she had, then corrected me on a couple points. First she told me that before she said anything, she lit the cigarette, and took a drag off it, which she did in my dream, but I had not told her that part. Then she corrected the wording that she had used in my dream, which I could not remember exactly until she said it, but she was spot on and it really scared me when she said this. I have a question, (were) you lucid at that moment where you talked with your friend? no, I was not aware that I was dreaming at the time this happened. My dreams tend to fall into 4 different categories. They are 1) the regular dreams that mean absolutely nothing. 2) Lucid dreams. 3) premonition/precognition/future event dreams. 4) a dream that is like a regular dream (non-lucid), but there is a presence in the dream with me that is not me. It is a very obvious feeling to me, this was such a dream. Note: She was surprised to hear that I could feel the difference between a premonition dream and a normal one. I told her that when I have one, the event in my dream will usually happen the next day, but always within 3 days. She said that she has similar dreams, but cannot feel the difference, and they usually don't happen for at least a year down the road. Edit: Let me add that I do not believe this girl would lie to me about anything, nor I to her. I believe her completely that this did happen (especially after she corrected me on a couple points)

[Specialis Sapientia]

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia View Post Only you experienced it, never let anyone tell you what it was, or was not. I do not believe this is the case anymore. I believe this was a dream we both had simultaneously... You misunderstood me, you experienced something, that doesn't mean that she didn't. If you would like to learn more about premoniton dreams, and how other people have expierenced them, I recommend "Dreams That Come True", by David Ryback, it's a very interesting book about this subject, and must be even better for someone who has these dreams. It would be cool if you could get lucid, when sharing a dream. Endless posibilities

[ArtfulBodger]

I envy you. This kind of experience is something I would long to encounter. Like Specialis Sapientia had said, I haven't many friends that care for dreams. They just see them as random occurrences that happen every month or so. What you had with your friend is exactly the thing I'd like to find myself talking about with my friends. I'm curious, does she show as much an interest as you do in Dreams? Have you both visited this site before or is this situation literally an out of the blue experience. Hopefully the two of you can work on having more dreams of the same nature!

[Moloch]

I have never been to this site before, I found it on google, searching for 'dream forum' and this was the first on the list. This is not something that I have much experience with. Like I said before, I have had dreams where it felt like someone was actually there with me (very rarely.. every 3-4 years it happens), but it was never before someone that I had been in contact with for at least a year, so I had no way to even ask them if they had the same dream. As for my friend, she said she has people show up in her dreams from time to time. Usually old friends that she had in New Mexico, American Indians and such who are into that sort of thing. She says that she can't step into someone else's dreams, but that they can step into hers. After speaking with my brother about this.. apparently strange things like that run in my family (who knew?). My mother had told him some stories that I never heard as a child about strange esoteric things happening to her, though nothing dream related. I would love to find some information on how to get this to happen on my own volition rather than waiting another 3 years for it to happen again. This may not be the best forum for that, but anyone know a good place to start?.. I plan to read up a bit more on lucid dreaming, perhaps if I can get that going more often I might be able to consciously step into someone else's dream. My friends that I have spoke with believe that I believe this event happened, but don't want to believe it themselves without it happening to them, and have invited me to try if I can find a way. I would love to tell them something in a dream, then call them the next day and confirm it with them.

[The Cusp]

I am a very skeptical person, and would never believe a story like this if someone told it to me. That's the way it works. Nobody believes until they actually experience something. Unfortunately you post this at a really bad time. There is a growing bad attitude on this forum in regards to anything of that nature, and people seem to be treating these kinds of threads like a personal insult. I for one believe you.

[Mes Tarrant]

Hmm. That's very interesting. I'm very skeptical myself, so... not sure what to think yet!

[SonatArctica]

Unfortunately you post this at a really bad time. There is a growing bad attitude on this forum in regards to anything of that nature, and people seem to be treating these kinds of threads like a personal insult. i´ve noticed the same since i have been reading on DV

[shadowofwind]

There is a growing bad attitude on this forum in regards to anything of that nature, and people seem to be treating these kinds of threads like a personal insult. That has been the opposite of my experience, but we probably read different sub-forums, and are talking about a different time-frame, since you joined sooner. Its better now than it was two years ago. Also, I've found an approach with skeptics that I'm happy with. It seems that shared dreaming skeptics not only don't believe in shared dreaming, they actively don't want to experience it. So I just offer to share a dream experience, in a post or in a private message, and so far that always ends the argument. From what I have seen, there was some destructively manipulative personality-cult type stuff going on with shared dreaming on this site a few years ago. I don't fault the skeptics for wanting to be free of that sort of thing. Sharing dreams in a healthy way requires a lot of respect for other people's freedom and personal space, and a lot of people who have been into shared dreaming haven't had that.

[carraway]

Very interesting, this is the second time ive heard of this occurring.

[yellowlight]

My first thought was that you're making this up, but then I remembered that I had premonition dreams too, and now I'm starting to believe you. It's really really interesting

[sleeping-monkey!]

I sometimes have premonition dreams to! Once I had a dream that I was in Giant and the clearence rack had 10 cans of soup and 2 boxes of cereal ( I LIKE CEREAL!!!). the next day my mom and I went to Giant exactly 10 cans of soup and 2 boxes of cereal. FUCKING BULL SHIT!

[Specialis Sapientia]

Moloch we have a "Beyond Dreaming" sub-forum. Beyond dreaming forum Feel free to ask any questions there, maybe someone can tell you, what you are looking for

[DeathCell]

1) The dreams you mention as meaning nothing.. Are symbols of your unconscious mind. They all symbolize something from your waking day..

[sleeping-monkey!]

FUCKING BULL SHIT! Don't I mean, NO FUCKING BULLSHIT! YAY I'm officely Stupid!

[Robot_Butler]

Don't worry whether or not anybody believes you. It was real to you and your friend, and that is all that matters. It might be worth trying to repeat this experience with some sort of controlled message passing. Even if it doesn't lead anywhere, it will help bring you and your friend closer together. It seems like you two both desire a closer relationship.

[Moloch]

I don't care whether people believe me or not. It is definitely a hard thing to swallow, even for me, and I'm the one it happened to! I consider myself to be a very scientific, logical, and skeptical person. This kind of thing significantly blurs the boundary between what I consider to be real, and what I always thought was just in someone's head. It is making me reconsider everything from ghosts and magic, to the old testament part of the bible, which I always believed was complete fiction - made up my Moses who wanted to make himself sound like some sort of magician (much like the Egyptian pharaoh's who raised him). I will say that I have spoken with several of my close friends about this recently, and every one of them says they have premonition dreams occasionally of one degree or another. One of them told me that he has dreams of a place rather than an event. A place that he has never seen before, but within a week he will find himself at this place he dreamed about. The hard part for me about recreating the event is that I only have a dream with the feeling of another presence in my dream about once every 3-4 years, so unless I can find some way to force it to happen, it will be along time before I can get another verification. I also very rarely have lucid dreams anymore; I just take them as they are and don't try to control them.

[Moloch]

I understand this isn't quite the forum for discussing a topic like this. Could anyone recommend a good place to start for someone that is looking into dreamwalking, etc.? I plan to read up on lucid dreaming here, I have had trouble in the past with dream recall, and staying asleep once I realize I am in a dream. Generally once I realize that I am dreaming, I start to feel myself waking up, and within a minute I'm fully awake. This helps with dream recall, but it really sucks for getting a restful night of sleep.

[Lucid fanatic]

I understand this isn't quite the forum for discussing a topic like this. Could anyone recommend a good place to start for someone that is looking into dreamwalking, etc.? I plan to read up on lucid dreaming here, I have had trouble in the past with dream recall, and staying asleep once I realize I am in a dream. Generally once I realize that I am dreaming, I start to feel myself waking up, and within a minute I'm fully awake. This helps with dream recall, but it really sucks for getting a restful night of sleep. If you want to find out more about it would be the lucid crossroads... Noone really knows much about this because it is so rare... But perhaps using there idea you could come into contact with someone else... Although i might also advice emailing him the experience and try to include everything from what you ate earlier that they to what you felt that morning.