Thread: Are these OOBE's?

OBEs could start in your own room. Unless you black out for a second and come to after you already left your room.

What you described does sound like OBE to me.

Have you read Buhlman and Monroe? They have great descriptions of their own journeys, trials and errors. Happy travels

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It could be an OBE... but hard to say without feeling your experience by myself. I feel distinct difference between OBE(it isn't important to which dimension, even if mind state is distinct from dimension to dimension there is feeling of sharp "reality") and lucid dream(where you know, that that is a dream).
I do my OBE's from waking state, not from a dream. Also LD's I do more often from waking state than from a dream.

It sounds like it. Mine are more like what Psionic described. I always start from meditation.

gab- Thanks for the reply. I am currently reading Mastering Astral Projection and read all sorts of stuff on it all the time. It's so strange to do energy work for the first time in my life. I never knew your body could pulsate like that from stimulating it with your mind. So very interesting to say the least. I wish I could find some audio books on the subjects, would be nice considering I have a 24 hour drive to Florida from Minnesota here in a week.

Psionik and kadie- First off, thanks for the replies. I was wondering how exactly do you guys go from a wake state to projection? I practice this a lot but I fall asleep most of the time. Do you guys do it before you go to bed or in the morning? And when you meditate, what are you focusing on? Like your breathing or numbers? Or are you doing energy work? I want to accomplish OOBE from the wake state as well! Thanks in advance.

I would also be interested in your methods, guys.

I had about 60 WILDs, most of them I entered LD by standing up from sofa, or just roling out of my body. This method of entering would qualify also as OBE.

I had 4 distinct OBEs, all while trying to WILD. In 2 of them I found myself levitating above my sleeping body, in 1 of them I found myself looking at the ceiling from 12 inches away, and in 1 I rolled out of my bed.

My OBEs and LDs do indeed feel different from each other.

But what I have no idea about is how to make myself have OBE instead of LD. To me, the beginning is the same. WILDing and getting either vibrations or some other HH. But where or when is the point, when I can direct myself into OBE or LD? I would love to know that.

Ok, this might take a minute...

I'll start with my old way first. * I consider what I do more of AP FYI* but OBE fits too
I start meditating and begin by feeling everythin go numb, starting with my feet and work my way up to the crown of my head. I dont think of anything but the numbness. It's actually relaxation, but very quickly you will feel numbness. I don't give into the discomfort. Once I am completely relaxed and numb, i really turn the focus to breathing. There is a point that I know I'm almost ready, I just can't really describe it to you, sorry but I cant even put a description to it if I wanted. When I am at that point, I begin searching for the white light. Usually it forms at about my hairline at my forehead and then I ask for the light to completely envelope my whole being. This part is hard for me to maintain as I either lose focus or start to fall asleep. When I can stay focused and am completly enveloped, I am swooshed through a vortex or prism of color. This is when I begin to feel a strange sensation and a detached emotion, but yet it's so beautiful. Sometimes I just want to stay in the vortex and see what happens.
After that I use an image of the softest white cloud to carry me to my destination. There is a feeling of being detached, but I think the cloud is what keeps me from the fear of falling. I also think that is why it does not wear me out like it does some people. I never feel tired or heavy like some people report.
I'll save my new method for later when I have it down pat.

The worst time to project is when you are going to sleep. Because of tiredness. Otherwise, if you can hold your mind from sleeping, then projection is possible at any time during day.

To reach state in which I leave body I do autosuggestive relaxation known as autogenic training:
a) Relaxation of body- I concentrate on weight of my hand, I feel it on I make that feeling as strong as possible, and again stronger. I let that feeling of weight progress through whole body. When all my body fees heavy, I concentrate on deepening of that feeling... This relaxate skeletal striated muscle.
b) Concentration on warmth in my hand. It feels like aj have my hand in warm water, and water is warmer and warmer... liquid fire in my hand. Very pleasant and very hot. I let that liquid fire flow up my hand to other hand, and when my hands are warm, I let that warmth flow to my feets... At last I let spiral that warmth from my hands and legs into solar plexus. Now I don't do it because of third chakra, but because warmth leads to relaxation of smooth muscle tissue.

When I reach state of body where it is very heavy, so heavy that I have feeling I can't move and very warm, I start to concentrate on rolling movement of hand. Movement without moving physical muscles. I send impulses to muscles(to roll hand from side to side), but at the same time I let hand relaxed, unmoving. After some time I will start to feel second body hand(as if second, astral hand, and with that the feel of astral body permeating physical body start to be felt.)slowly rolling in physical body, and I try to make small rolling movements to be bigger. After a while I move the whole second body out of physical.

State of your mind is very important. You should be detached of feelings and thoughts. Concentrated on here and now. Observe your feelings and thoughts only... If you want to explore, your will must be in line of what you are doing... Don't let disturb yourself... with nothing. It will take great many travels to find the feel, to find conditions of existence, to find how to explore, how to do things without wanting them do

kadie- Wow.. that's amazing! Do you actually do this before you go to bed and are you laying down or sitting up? I know of 2 ways to focus on my breathing. One way is to focus on the lead air going in all the way from the nostrils to inside the lungs and the other way is by focusing on the rise and fall of my chest. Can you describe how you focus on your breathing? I don't mean to be bombarding you with questions but this is so damn interesting.. lol. When you say you use a cloud to take you to your destination, do you just imagine where you want to go even if you have never been there before?

I usually do this at night, but I do get better results during the day. I have RLS and it makes it really hard to do at night now.
Anyway, My old way is to imagine pure, clean white oxygen as I inhale, and as I exhale I envision all the old negative stuff that I am holding inside as black. This imagery helps in two ways. It clears the negativity and it holds your focus on breathing so outside stimuli is less of a distraction.
This breathing technique is really good for people with depression BTW.
My new method is from the Buddhist traditional method of focusing on the upper lip as you inhale and exhale. Feel the difference of the air as you breathe. If you find you are distracted and not focusing on your lip, you can use counting till you get back on track. Inhale 1,1-exhale 2,2-inhale 3,3- exhale 4,4 etc. till you get to 10. That just gets you back on track if again you are easily distracted, which I am.
I hope that helps.

Oh sorry Enigmatik, about the cloud..
Ssometimes I just float and watchand sometimes I just ask the universe to take me where I need to be, sometimes I have a set destination.

I found this post interesting. I have had two experiences where I've felt I may have had an OBE but was to afraid to open my eyes...

One time after a dream I felt myself wake up, but my eyes were closed. I felt a sense that I was not in my body. I felt elevated and floating. My body started to descend and then really quickly fall "in". That's when I opened my eyes and was in my bed.

Could this be an outer body experience??

Next time I will not be afraid and will open my eyes. What can I expect when I open my eyes?

From what I have read the most about OBEs, is that, while you are in the line between awake and asleep, ( which could caused be your alarm from WILD), you need to DESIRE a location to go to. And by desire I mean to really really really want to go some place, or to do some thing. 4 books I have read about OBE plus my husband's here and there explinations about it have had these as elements. I do not recommand OBE. Again, in all the readings I have done about OBE, and in my husband's testimonials, there are things out there, that are mean, and not supposed to be messed with, or draw attention of.

I cannot remember a single negative event while AT ing. It has a lot to do with your beliefs about such things. If you think you are going to have a bad experience, then its your own fault if you do as you
created the experience.
That is the reason I use the white light visualization. Its pretty hard to be of such a positive and pure mind to create a prolonged white/ pure light and if you do and can maintain it before projecting, then you should not have a problem with negative energy.

I do not think that your beliefs, your thoughts or your mood have anything to do with their existance.
I do whatsoever would love very much to hear about your experiences regarding this, if you would like to share.

I tell you what...go put the time in yourself and have your own experience, then tell me what you know. Don't give me that second hand info crap! Learn for yourself what is true, what works.

I do not think there is a need for being plain rude, and if I have offended you I apologize. I do put time into this, its just from all my current knowledge, I am terrified of OBEs and "the second rate info" I have gathered from someone very trusted, as in my husband, and the books issued on the matter. I will invite you again to share your experiences, it might remove my fears, or someone else's who might be in the same position as me. Thank you for taking the time to answer.