Thread: Precog Dreaming, an example.

A couple of observations:

Since it was you who forgot to remove the hose, from the outside this wasn't a precognitive dream so much as a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm not doubting that you have precognitive dreams, just pointing out that you had a hand in making this one come true.

It seems to me there must be some sense in which future events are 'caused' by fate or karma or providence or something, and when we foresee them we're tapping into the subconscious mechanism that causes them. This seems to imply that there's some way for 'spirit' to influence matter. And maybe that's what we're doing every minute when we control our own bodies. Having experimented with this quite a bit, I think that when I throw a coin, the outcome is not 'random', that its influenced somehow. A coin toss is sensitive to that, since a tiny perturbation produces a different outcome. But it doesn't have a lot of very interesting states, just heads or tails. The brain on the other hand is both highly sensitive, and highly complex and connected in a way that allows a lot of interesting behavior. My example is flawed in that the coin toss is also controlled through my body, but I'm pretty sure that it still works with any other sufficiently sensitive control. And I guess this leads to the point I'm getting to, that the body is a major mechanism that providence uses to produce destiny. So although the hand you had in your water disaster may invalidate it for a skeptic, to me it fits because the same subconscious muse that produced the dream also used you to produce the event. And it did it in the same way in both cases, by influencing your imagination, attention, and muscle control. I'm sure my 'muse' description here isn't quite what's really going on, but its something in that direction.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

A couple of observations:

Since it was you who forgot to remove the hose, from the outside this wasn't a precognitive dream so much as a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm not doubting that you have precognitive dreams, just pointing out that you had a hand in making this one come true.

It seems to me there must be some sense in which future events are 'caused' by fate or karma or providence or something, and when we foresee them we're tapping into the subconscious mechanism that causes them. This seems to imply that there's some way for 'spirit' to influence matter. And maybe that's what we're doing every minute when we control our own bodies. Having experimented with this quite a bit, I think that when I throw a coin, the outcome is not 'random', that its influenced somehow. A coin toss is sensitive to that, since a tiny perturbation produces a different outcome. But it doesn't have a lot of very interesting states, just heads or tails. The brain on the other hand is both highly sensitive, and highly complex and connected in a way that allows a lot of interesting behavior. My example is flawed in that the coin toss is also controlled through my body, but I'm pretty sure that it still works with any other sufficiently sensitive control. And I guess this leads to the point I'm getting to, that the body is a major mechanism that providence uses to produce destiny. So although the hand you had in your water disaster may invalidate it for a skeptic, to me it fits because the same subconscious muse that produced the dream also used you to produce the event. And it did it in the same way in both cases, by influencing your imagination, attention, and muscle control. I'm sure my 'muse' description here isn't quite what's really going on, but its something in that direction.

That all sounds very reasonable, and actually triggered a little bit of recall into the dream I had spaced off. I remember clearly now, that as I walked up to my work place and saw the fire suppression system running, there was a flash of a confusing manner that more or less made me think "this is my fault, because I spaced off something, now I am going to be in so much trouble" It was a super imposed image of a sandwich press style grill and fabric caught in it. It came with a sense of recall that I had left something where it could catch fire. I also just now recall that the same flash carried the concept "at least the fire went out."
So thanks for the input. I actually remember those elements to the dream, but your post just made it relevant.
Me being the cause of it was important. I feel that maybe in some way your muse idea can apply. I learned 3 separate valuable lessons from the experience, three lessons I may never have realized until a real disaster happened.
1) Salt water is no place for cheap equipment. I will replace it all, as electricity and water are just too dangerous. 2) I must protect all outlets and extension cords from water, even if I do not see how they could get wet. 3) I need a fail safe device for water changes.
My stock lived, this time. I did not burn down my house, this time. I did not die from electrical shock,,, this time. I am new to this trade and needed these lessons. According to what you suggest above (perhaps?) I in some way taught the lessons to myself.

For me, the lesson comes from somewhere that's a lot less than 'God' but still quite a bit beyond what I normally think of 'myself'. Although I'm in the first person in the dream, I think I'm experiencing it a little bit from that other perspective, its more than just a different interpretation of my human perspective.

For me, in a case like this, the waking life experience is also a metaphor as much as a dream can be. For example, the sea water has a spiritual meaning, its like psychic atmosphere or something, such as is also symbolized by wine. Maybe 'electricity' also has an interpretation in that context, I don't know. The 'equipment' would be your intellectual constructs. The lesson would be don't fuck around carelessly with psychism using our cheap-ass esoteric religious ideas, approach it with a bit more caution and humility. And we're also limited by our physical bodies which are 'equipment' that aren't up to it either. Man is not the end of evolution.

One purpose of the premonition is to give the same message from two complimentary perspectives. Maybe the dream perspective where the water ruins your merchandise is more how it looks from a 'higher' perspective', for instance, and the waking life experience where the water runs out and starts a fire is more how it seems from your human perspective.

I don't know what this 'water' is, but I feel the absence of it in outward aspects of my personality. This is one reason I'm relatively good at drawing insight internally, but not artistically creative, or psychically perceptive in relation to other people, relatively speaking. I can get more up it into that part of my mind from interacting with other people though, and the effects of that seem to hang around for a few days. I guess I just said I'm a vampire, but hopefully its in a good way.

This is a copy of a post I made on another thread: It is releveant here as well, here you go:

I have had this happen a couple of times. I have even documented the results on my facebook.
Check these face book status's out. I will continue doing more research on this and I will update in the future on Dreamviews if I can. I will also upload progress on my Face Book posts which will be open to the public.

1. https://www.facebook.com/717hacker?v...55461831164346

2. https://www.facebook.com/717hacker?v...61476787229517

The first link details writing I saw in a dream on May 21st, 2013.
The event described in that dream writing actually occured one day later on May 22nd.
The incident was all over news headlines.

The second link details a news headline i had seen during the end of my dream on June 3rd, 2013. I posted the status of the dream on June 4th. I then saw the news headlines 3 days later in reference to the Fl. incident.

There have been many other instances but those were left unrecorded, I will post more of the results of my experiments in the future.

- 7:17

Dreams that show the future are few, and far between. - For me anyway.
I have had quite a few in the past, and believed them all to be accurate. Then I joined D|V and realised most could have been down to how advanced our minds are.
A person will notice something on a subconcious level, then dream the outcome. This is not precognition, just probabal outcome.
I am not labeling your dream with this definition, but I do scrutinise every detail of my own dreams now.
Your dream matches either definition.

After all my negative talk, I know with 99.9% confidence that precognitive dreams are real.
There is a " feel " to a precog' dream that is unusual.
Also the details in one of my dreams were so strange that I put it down to a normal fictional, rambling dream.
Then the news story a few days later showed me the dream was from a victims point of view.
The unique circumstances could not have been guessed, and have never been seen before, or since.