Thread: The Significancce of 2012

tsen, you comments are laughable! believe me, marijuana effects everybody differently. and depending on how high someone is, yes their mind is functioning at a level much higher than yours right now. i know this from personal experience, unlike you im sure. believe me, people tripping on acid are functioning at such a high level mental state that they almost cannot even exist with how fast their mind is working. marijuana is kind of like the same thing, it greatly enhances the mind's activity and it's patterns. also, anything negative you or anyone else thinks about marijuana is false, it's lies.

anyway why do you care to argue? if you dont wish to expand your mind then dont. but dont bash those who do please

Originally posted by Tsen
Using the fact that the chemicals in marijuana are natural is hardly a good argument. Hydrogen Cyanide gas is natural, but it'll drop you dead in seconds if you breath it.

Exactly my sentiments
Chew on enough apple seeds, and you'll become pretty sick. Why? Because it has cyanide in the 'natural' fruit known as an apple.

Originally posted by jay dawg+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jay dawg)</div>

tsen, you comments are laughable![/b]

And yet, amazingly, with the hightened state of mind, Jay Dawg is still absolutely incapable of using correct grammar.

Originally posted by jay dawg@
believe me, marijuana effects everybody differently. and depending on how high someone is, yes their mind is functioning at a level much higher than yours right now. i know this from personal experience, unlike you im sure.

You're right, I've never been high. But I've got one aunt who died recently from the effects of drugs, a brother who's been in jail more times than he's been to school because of drug sentences, and another aunt who can't keep a job because of her history with drugs. I've been around people who are getting high, I've been around them while they're high, and I've been around them when they aren't high. My brother's never done any hard drugs, only marijuana, cigarettes and booze. He's still got lung problems, even though he's stopped smoking for the last three years. He regrets every time he was ever high.

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anyway why do you care to argue? if you dont wish to expand your mind then dont. but dont bash those who do please

Remember, you're the one who started this all. You went ranting that Bush was taking over the world and was plotting a mass war between religions, and when I asked for your reasoning, you simply replied that while you were high you figured it out. Now, you've got caught with your pants down and you just say "Back off!" rather than trying to pull them back up. I'm still waiting for your logic.

i wasnt high when i wrote that, no wonder i had a typo . o no

i couldnt care less about your aunts drug problem, she doesnt speak for everybody. youre just like everybody else who thinks they know everything about something theyve never even experienced personally. yeah your real smart

i already said im not going to get into why i know bush is taking over the world. your too closed minded to begin to comprehend it. its just a time conservation thing on my part. i dont care what you believe



edit-btw admins need to stop fucking with my posts

Mods only alter posts that include offensive material. Or if they're in a REALLY bad mood. In which case, cover your ass and wait for the sun to come out again. Yeah. They can be mean if they want. Which isn't often, but whatev.

I'm running out of patience, but here's my spill: I couldn't give a damn if you think you're omniscient when you're high. But when I ask for an answer to a legitimate question, I would like an answer. I don't give a damn whether I like the answer or not--that's your opinion. But calling somebody close-minded for asking for your reasoning is a bit absurd. I'm not close minded, otherwise I wouldn't give a damn about how you came to such a conclusion. Rather, I asked for an explanation, and you gave me one--that you were high. I was free to interpret that as I wanted, and I did. I'm quite comfortable with that judgement. But if you're going to cut your explanation down to just that, you're being anything but persuasive. Buckle up and tell people how you arrived at a conclusion or prepare to have it ridiculed.

What drugs did your aunt use? If you want to say that by smoking pot you go on and use the heavier stuff well that's just wrong. Look at Holland. By making marijuana legal they decreased the use of cocaine, heroine and stuff by 50% (I heard that on TV).
I smoke pot myself and never in my life did I want to try anything else.

LMFAO, jay dawg, you are funny

Drugs dont open your mind, they destroy nerves and prevent the body from functioning the way it SHOULD.

Why this Obsession with End of the World Cults. We will all merge into a Singular Gene Pool in about a Million Years. Just like that song............'A Great Big Melting Pot' !!!. Coffee Coloured People !!!.

Originally posted by lord soth
LMFAO, jay dawg, you are funny

Drugs dont open your mind, they destroy nerves and prevent the body from functioning the way it SHOULD.

I agree with that, but I do believe that they change the way you think about things and for me started to question a lot more things that i was expected to just go along with like i was a brainwashed victim. ( but that could have just been the the maturing of my brain with getting older.)

I will also say that the use of marijuana can be safer than drinking and cigs if used in a responsible manner and not obsesed over. But for me it does have a very powerful control on the mind. I like to look at it as a dessert. A good thing to treat yourself to maybe every time you go out to eat if not often, and a bad thing if you are constantly craving that food and becoming obese because of it

And to all the bickering, I think that everyone needs to respect everyone elses opinions and insted of saying "No your wrong what an idiot" You should say "ok i disagree and heres why"

And to all the bickering, I think that everyone needs to respect everyone elses opinions and insted of saying \"No your wrong what an idiot\" You should say \"ok i disagree and heres why\"[/b]

Which is exactly what I've been saying. Jay dawg, still waiting.

Remember…you asked for it! I typed it up in word just to be safe cuz there is a hurricane outside!!!!! I doubt youll have the time or capacity to read it all but don’t say I didn’t try to tell you WHY I believe what I believe about bush. this way you can see im not a ranting know it all stoner.




It all starts with a thing called the bible, you may have heard of it before. Whether or not you believe it is god’s word or not is not the case, (because I personally don’t think it is divine anyway…) but since ive spent years studying prophecy in many of the books ive discovered a few things that are generally not accepted by the Christian majority. Nations are represented by animals, or beasts, in prophetic terms. Jews wrote the prophecies and are secretly running our country, it may be a surprise to you that presidents don’t do shit but try to read on tv, and quite badly I might say. So anyway, they say there are 2 final kingdoms that will rule the world before the “end”. 2012 or not, who knows. The first being “the antichrist”. I could write an essay on why I know what it is but take my word for it: the Vatican is the antichrist, from its creation to its ending. This includes the EU and the roman catholic church. To sum it up, Pope is god-man. 666 is the Vatican(antichrist), if you add all the roman numerals up, in all the official titles of the popes, they all will come to 666, a long list of them. http://www.remnantofgod.org/666.htm Not to mention the fact that this first kingdom is represented of having 7 heads which rule it. These 7 heads being the 7 names of all the popes (such as john 1,2, and so on, then pauls, then john pauls). You see the conspiracy started back a long time ago, before someone prophesied all the names of every pope which has to date, been true. The other “beast” or kingdom which rules at the end, is the “false prophet” kingdom. This kingdom is America. Any research will show just how characteristic America is of this trait. All of our presidents are not actually Christian, they are in secret cults and lie to their own people, thus they are the false prophets. Some characteristics of this final kingdom are its 1 head and 2 horns, which translates into America, north and south, the leader of this being USA, president and vice president. This kingdom is said to have all its citizens take the number of the first beast, which is 666. this being your social security number. We are given instruction to calculate, or add up something to get to this 666. every social security number is in a format like this:
000-00-0000 a 3-2-4 in mathematics
so basically its 3 times 2= 6, 2 plus 4= 6, then finally using all three, 3 times 4=12, divided by 2= 6.
666
legally we Americans are bound to this for the rest of our lives, we all signed it. There is also mention of the fact that in the future one will not be able to buy or sell anything in a store without a 666 being involved. This being the bar codes on everything buyable. A 6 is at the beginning, middle, and end of every bar code. See below



anyway theres more than enough evidence to show whats really going on, jews are secretly controlling the world, and using America as their primary arm. Some may say everything is the way it is because its gods word, but its really…the jews.

They call themselves: the illuminati. Their primary symbolism can be seen on almost every television network (most you wouldn’t know to see it), plenty of Hollywood companies, basically anything jew-run. If anyone took the time to research who actually runs TV or Hollywood or the music and entertainment industry they might find out there is actually a handful of jews who own everything. The most obvious to anyone would have to be spielberg and his best buddy george lucas. These jews run a company called lucas arts and the illuminatis (the enlightened ones) symbol: the eye, can be seen cleverly hidden atop their logo:



block the portion below the neck from your view to notice it (sorry if your not high enough to see it ordinarily)
another primary location is the ever present, unchanging, one dollar bill. The eye on the back sitting atop the 13 steps of enlightenment.

the text around the eye when translated says: the eye has favored our undertakings, and then at the bottom: new world order (new order of the ages). The bottom of the pyramid being the date America was founded, from there each step will lead us to (2012) enlightenment, or whatever the fuck they have planned. I found something else out myself that would blow your mind about the dollar, if your interested in knowing, I could give you instruction on how to see it.

As far as tv shows go, I could go on forever, fox news is the primary source of the illuminatis mind control system. I used to be one of the people who watched fox news 24/7 following the 9/11 attacks. But I broke free and saw the truth. I know there are still people who do nothing but watch it all day, ive visited family in other states on vacation and seen the horror myself. It was almost a joke, but the illuminati whats everyone to watch fox news all day.

The show the 4400 is another jew example of how they use mental conditioning to further their goals of global domination. The title was the first they that caught my attention: the 4400, what I think they mean is the 144,000. ok so they cut the first and last number off, but in the bible, the 144,000 are supposedly 12 times 12 being 12 tribes of Israel (jews) and 12 diciples of Christ (Christians) equaling 144. thousand being infinite number, because they had no number greater than 1000 in measuring an innumerable amount. The view on this is something about 144,000 being taken away in the sky and coming back to earth. Ok this sums up the plot of the 4400 on TV. Except theirs is about aliens. The latest fucked up mind conditioning commercial on the tv about the 4400 says this:

“Its just the beginning,
Of what?
The war,
What are u talking about?
Everybody’s going to die”

Clearly they are not talking about the current war/prophecy are they? Hmmm yes. Its called mental conditioning. Read a study on it cuz I don’t have the time to make one. anyway, with what ive already studied and know, seeing this new commercial (ESPECIALLY high, but not required) gives me amazing insight into its true meaning.

Anyway, there you have it, the basis for what I know. Call me insane, everyone else does, including my brainwashed “christian” family, but it wont change what I know. I don’t know why jews are creating a fake world for us to live in, so don’t ask. But anyway the war machine is currently dominating the middle east and it has everything to do with their written prophecy, believe me they will make it happen. The “holy land” is not safe for long.


Not that I care anymore, so don’t pay attention to it or their prophecies because if we do then we are letting them control our minds with their plot for humankind. Whether there is an afterlife or not, I dunno, im not dead.

That is a very interesting conspiracy theory. and i enjoyed reading it, definitely one i havnt heard before.

But your theory lacks solid proof. It is all composed of coincidences. Its similar to the De Vinchi Code, that book was loaded with info supporting his theory about the holy grail and the holy blood but it all has been proven false (just a scam)

Though it is somewhat possible but highly unlikely. the theory also only talks of christianity and juddism like the bible and clues are reliable resources.

When I read it i got a very high feeling of paronoia, which is a know side affect marijuanna. I dont want to tell you how to live your life at all. but I would suggest maybe taking a break for a month or two. I myself use to smoke almost everyday and after I quit and just stoped thinking about it my life was very different and you could say that the thought processes were a lot clearer. Just a suggestion

And also its always hard to evaluate certain things without wanting to believe that it is true or not. So try to look at it from a logical and neutral standpoint.

i take breaks and i just took a month long break. it didnt change what i know. paranoia can be a bad thing, but not when its true.

oh and the whole concept of hidden organizations does not originate in my mind. there is more than enough evidence to those who seek. bush and kerry both admitted live on tv that they are in skull and bones (an off shoot of the illuminati) and that they cant say anything about it. just research either of those for yourself.

jay dawg i was wondering if you could give me a link to a study or research about mental conditioning if you have one. Cause im very interested in stuff like that.

Thanks for posting your thoughts. I did read the whole thing, and while I don't agree with you, at least you showed your reasoning.

Yeah, I have to butt in. I am a pot smoker, but I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I think our government went into an oil war with nil justification beyond "Saddam is bad but unlike other bad people in the world Saddam has oil." We have two consecutively resigned Chief Weapons Inspectors who agree that there are no and never were any WMDs. We've found warehouses full of sanctioned chemicals with the UN locks still on them. These visions didn't come to me in a hallucination, they came to me on the six o' clock news.

That being said, there's some misinformation here on both sides about drugs, namely marijuana. For one thing, if you visit a place like WebMD or Freevibe or something for your drug information, you will get a certain skew. A friend of mine was in the hospital for food poisoning and when he was given an injection to interrupt his vomiting fits, he went into a seizure. The doctors told him the medicine had reacted with THC in his blood and caused him to have a fit. That's a lie, and a criminal lie. Tetrahydrocannabinol was no such catalyst.

If you want truly impartial information, visit www.erowid.org. But seeing as we have the types with the social stigmas, I'm going to assume you won't even click the link, so I'll lay it out for you.

THE CONS

Marijuana slows your reaction times. It inhibits short-term memory while under the influence. It has a residue effect over a day or so after smoking that partially continues to inhibit your ability to retain new information. Also, if smoked too early in life, it can inhibit the part of your brain that literally causes you to mature, meaning your puberty process is stunted as well as your mental development. I know a kid who started smoking when he was eight. Nine years later, he can't grow facial hair. Bad ideas can seem funny enough to try. Don't smoke pot at school.

THE PROS

Besides the obvious good feelings, your thought process is freed of inhibitions. This is the one where everyone says "Oh you stupid stoners think you're being philosophical and deep, but really you're just rambling." And you're half-right. Anyone who's heard the lyrics of Phish can tell you that some of the stuff that runs through your head while you're stoned is just ridiculous. That being said, it's ridiculous to totally discredit the worth of such a state of mind. While it may not be a great way to do your taxes, writing a story or improvisation on an instrument come much more fluidly.

(Note that I haven't even touched on the health effects there, those are below.)

CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF

Marijuana does not kill braincells. This is a myth based on a flawed study done on rhesus monkeys whose hippocampus areas (the part of the brain that involves learning) had been distorted. However, that study was done with over 200 times any recreational amount taken by humans. In other words, doses that no one outside of a laboratory could produce. Furthermore, later experiements done with doses 100 times higher than average recreational dose have shown no such damage, or any other effects of permanency.

Marijuana doesn't cause lung disease. So far there have been zero deaths directly related to marijuana. Zero. Of course, smoking anything at all is bad for your lungs, but pot is one of the safest things you could inhale. Its smoke, apart from the high, is nearly identical to cigarette smoke. The difference, however, is the amount smoked and the nature of the effect on the lungs. Marijuana smoke actually expands the bronchial tubes and does not affect the smaller airways. There was even a survey done with 1,200 smokers with information taken on their pulmonary function status at two-year intervals. They showed no harm even worth noting. So far there is no evidence that marijuana smoke causes cancer, although changes in the bronchial cells raise the risk. This means a smoker of marijuana and tobacco will have a much higher chance of getting lung cancer, because the tobacco acts on the propensity for development that the marijuana does not do on its own.

There is no evidence that marijuana contributes to car accidents as much as everyone says. The Highway Traffic Safety Administration sponsored a study on the intoxicant content of 2,000 fatal accident cases. Alcohol was found in 50% of the subjects, while marijuana turned up in only 6.7%. Furthermore, in two-thirds of the cases where marijuana was present, alcohol was also present. The impairment of reaction time is not so drastic that one has to be careful not to fly off a cliff. In fact, it's limited by under a second's worth of time.

Also, marijuana does not significantly dull ambition. Granted, while you're stoned you feel like lazing around a bit. But that doesn't mean it will take over your life. Studies have been done in the US, Greece and Jamaica, and in none did any notable difference in students' grade point averages appear. Pot smokers can do just as well at school as those who don't smoke pot. I could have told you that myself, but it's good to have numbers behind it. That isn't to say that hardcore potheads aren't lazy, though. If you're stoned all day, of course you're going to forget about other things. Being stoned all day is, in my opinion, no better than being drunk all day. Getting high is for recreation, and recreation only, and if it's used with some degree of responsibility it won't take over your life any more than your TV or your computer would.

Phew. That was a long one. To make a long story short, no substance is inherently evil. Some are inherently dangerous, but not pot. It's the responsibility of the user to keep his use in check with the rest of his life, and to make sure he doesn't become a stereotype.

By the way, if anyone wishes to ridicule someone for using pot as a brainstorming tool, you're going to have to stop drinking caffeine to stay perky, drinking ginko tea to be stimulated, drinking chamomile to relax, drinking warm milk to get to sleep at night (yes, milk is a sedative), taking B-6 and melatonin to dream (or Calea for that matter), and even eating chocolate to feel good (chocolate contains theobromine and caffeine). All those are commonplace drugs in our current society. Like it or not, they are psychoactive drugs that produce an altered state. Pot is a bit more heady than milk, naturally, but to discredit substance use in general is a bit naive and a bit more hypocritical.

By the way, I've been stoned as I wrote this, so if there are any grievous typographical errors that you feel justify your assumptions about the stupidity of pot-smokers, go ahead and point them out. If you feel I've been inarticulate or incoherent, go ahead and call me on that, too.

But please, don't call me ignorant. I do my best to know exactly what I'm putting into my body. There are just as many sober idiots out there as there are morons on drugs.

DISCLAIMER

Of course, any indications that I promote the recreational use of illegal drugs are solely my own. If a cop should be browsing these boards, lay the heat on me, man, not on the website owner.

hey i liked what you said polio, well except for the part about not smoking weed all day. but anyway

not sure if youve seen it yet but you should watch this flash movie thing on the truth behind marijuana. clearly you know your stuff, well because you smoke it yourself. that seems to help in making judgement on an issue.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/flash/hemp.html


oh and any cops on here: fuck you pig, get on my skillet, then my stomach, then my toilet, then rot in my tank.

Note- Annuit Coeptis means GOD or PROVIDENCE favors our undertakings, not "The Eye".

Originally posted by Tsen
Note- Annuit Coeptis means GOD or PROVIDENCE favors our undertakings, not \"The Eye\".

actually it means IT favors our undertakings, It meaning the eye it is surrounding. the eye is from the lucifarian cult backgrounds of the masons and illuminati. it is true that the official word is that they may be reffering to god, whoever their god is, satan. but it has no subject line: "favors our undertakings" it depends on what you believe the eye to represent.

just know that the official word on things are not necessarily true. for exaple: the official bar code website says its just a coincidence that there is a 666 on every barcode. you cant believe everything they say. considering all the evidence against them. could you honestly believe its just a coicidence? i wish i had that much faith in my government.

remember, the illuminati was founded by adam weishaupt in 1776, coincidently so was our country. it is not a theory that our founders were in secret scocieties from the beginning, for example the masons.

if you still dont believe this to be true, look at this:

it spells MASON. remember the treasury designed the social security numbers to equal 666.

look at the whitehouse:

Just a quick blurb. The sum of the first 36 positive numbers, 1 to 36 = 1+2+...+35+36 = (36+1)(36/2) = 37*18 = 666. This may have something to do with the number 36, and not "omg satan". 666 may have a good meaning...I think I'm actually going to read this entire thread now.

Originally posted by DistantClone
Just a quick blurb. The sum of the first 36 positive numbers, 1 to 36 = 1+2+...+35+36 = (36+1)(36/2) = 37*18 = 666. This may have something to do with the number 36, and not \"omg satan\". 666 may have a good meaning...I think I'm actually going to read this entire thread now.

im having trouble figuring out whether or not your mocking me or if you are serious, im lost

I'm not trying to mock, I was trying to throw in trivia. Maybe it was too quick of a blurb. What I meant to convey is that the number 666 has other uses. I'll dig up some info.

Treating a circle with 666 degrees instead of 360 can lead to some interesting results. 666 is also the gematrian number for the sun, and it's been theorized that Mars used to have an orbit of 666 days (and also Earth's used to be 360 days).

This information sort of stems from a grander idea that everything in the universe used to work in such elegant cycles (until a planet exploded). There is this master constant, the constant of Ninevah, or the Wilcock Constant...they are related, when divided by certain planetary numbers, like 666 for the sun, would spit out exactly how long it takes for the sun to complete an orbit.

This information is pulled from where I have always been linking, http://www.ascension2000.com.

The geometry is very interesting in those two pictures jay_dawg. Interesting that the star of David (a symbol of Judiasm) on the money also points out "Mason".

oh, hmm well thats an interesting website. also very confusing. who the heck designed it! shame on them. 8)

that 666 idea is also interesting, ive never read anything about that. well in the bible 666 represents 3 as in divinity, and 6 as in man (made on sixth day). so 666= man is god= satanism. if you believe that sort of stuff anyway

seeing as how important numbers are to our ocultic leaders, they actually made the madrid train bombings happen 911 days after they made our 9/11 happen, and used this bombing to further their control like they did with 9/11 and even dubbed it as their own 9/11! look
http://infowars.com/print/Madrid/311.htm

Some of the theory does worry and interest me, however a large part of it seems to be sympathetic magic to me.

Don't get me wrong though, there is a lot of dodgy stuff going on in high profile circles, but I'm not convinced it involves satanism and a new world order of elitism/communism.