Thread: Magnetic Pineal Gland Stimulation Experiment

So I just read this whole thread.

It is entirely possible that the pineal gland could be stimulated with magnets.

One poster tried to refute this by saying that MRIs would affect humans and so would the geomagnetic force lines.

Geomagnetic force lines may indeed affect us, however they are relatively constant.

MRI is usually a brief field, yet it has been proven to affect the pineal function of rats, as per this study:

Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) effects on rat pineal neuroendocri... - PubMed - NCBI

You might wonder why a similar study was not done on humans? Well lets just say that most humans dont want to die to have their pineal extracted and cross sectioned.

However transmission electron microscope images and raman spectroscopy of human cadaver pineal glands tells us that pineal glands have various substances that would be affected easily by a magnetic field.

What exactly that stimulation will do is the question. The likely hope here is that it increases the secretion of substances like DMT, Pinoline, etc. which in turn would likely give the visionary effects that were claimed in the original experiment.

Originally Posted by StevenEarley

I don't know where you heard this (add a reference?), but blood circulation goes like this: Venous return (from all parts of the body) --> Right side of heart --> Lungs --> Left side of heart --> All parts of the body (via arteries). The only two places you could say that all your blood flows through in one cardiac cycle are the lungs and heart. You could be right about the electrons for all I know, but you're statement on circulation is inaccurate.

Maybe they were trying to refer to the fact that the pineal receives the most blood flow of any other organ besides the kidney, which is still pretty amazing when you think about it, especially for such a small structure.

I grabbed some weaker magnets than described in this experiment from an amazon product that actually has a few pages on doing a magnet meditation for the pineal gland (among many other random meditations). I do feel a bit more tingling than usual, but who knows, I can often just place my attention on my forehead and feel my brow tingling, and it tingles throughout the day. I might grab a clylinder magnet one of these days and give it a go. I am having about one OBE or LD per week, would be interesting to see if there is an increase.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Here's a cautionary thought, Harothehobogod:

Rather than base your mental condition on the remarkably questionable results from a remarkably questionable experiment, you might consider seeking professional help.

After a rush of excitement many, many years ago, magnets have been found to have little to no effect on people, period. If magnetism worked the way deluded enthusiasts like Mr. Rawls profess, then the earth's magnetosphere would have turned us all into gods eons ago. And if that failed, anyone who got an MRI scan at the hospital would be reporting visits to alternate realities regularly -- yet none do. Magnetism is a part of our lives, and always has been; it is not a mystical force.

Additionally, the pineal gland is not a mystical organ. After you set all quaint, ignorance-borne mythology and hopeful mysticism aside, the pineal gland is, well, just a gland. Though this experiment might represent some harmless fun, and could even produce a brief flash of expectation-based "results," it very likely is based on some very false, or at best breathlessly misguided, information.

Specious web posts will only make you feel better, or more mentally secure, for a little while -- try not to base your life on them.

Again, just a thought.

P.S. to Sweetdreamer: I'm not disparaging your idea or OP, BTW; experiments like this can be great fun, and you might learn something new regardless, or gain some new skills or disciplines from doing the work -- good luck!

Actually the pineal gland is connected to two other glands in your brain which spiritually paralell the third eye, and the pineal gland specifically excretes DMT which induces dreams, and much like serotonin induces the holographic projection of your reality. Dreams = death, serotonin = life, life = death, DMT = death. It's actually the most mystical gland in your body and what scientists and meta-physicians call the seat of the soul, it's the singularity (black hole) of your frequency change.

Btw, on another note, i'm sorry if you've already tried this but opening your third eye without the necessary preparation (unlocking every other gland) you're literally opening your spirit to the astral plane (purgatory) and opening MANY dimensional doors to entities that you have NO idea about, they enter your life and do as THEY like, so you should be extremely cautious of what you let into your life, especially spiritually. I've heard that opening your third eye is like a gate straight to hell if you're unprepared spiritually. This idea is simple because magnetic fields alter the state of your brain frequency, in turn altering the frequency you are observing (reality) and connecting your current one with the crossfire of the astral plane, in which there are many entities which you might consider evil. Don't do this, it's the equivalent of listening to 3rd eye opening bi-neural beats, and if you read the comment section of those videos you will understand the evil forces i'm hinting at. These black figures you're seeing in your peripheral vision are just entering your reality, and you have no idea how detrimental this kind of stuff can be to you. You don't understand the fact that your pineal gland most likely is filled with crystallized Fluoride and heavy metals, (heavy metals are magnetic). I'm just saying it's up to you, but fucking around with the black hole (singularity) of your reality just to see what happens can result in some extremely horrifying experiences, which if you understood the significance of you would't even consider ever considering doing something like this. So please, for your own sake DO NOT DO THIS

Just another side note: gravity and magnetism transcends frequency and your entire life is directed by your centralized emotional (ELECTRO- MAGNETIC- MOTIONS) emissions (reactions), they create subtle gravity which changes the direction of your momentary metamorphosis (time), when you watch TV, it directs your emotions, and effects your life in ways you could never comprehend, when you take a material magnet which pulls in not only iron and heavy metals but your brain frequency, it alters your life in unpredictable ways that could lead to a lot of frequencies lower than your own being opened to you. It's just not worth it.

Please don't spread horror stories. There is nothing wrong with black hole. It is only material. It does have as strong effect on you as you believe it has. Be free of your prejudice and it won't have any effect.
I did many things during about 30 years of traveling out of body and NOTHING has detrimental effect on physical body.
Evil entities... I was a two times in hell but there is not problem with devils. Problem is in Yourself. Your mind is weak. It needs to be quiet, in balance. Peacefull. There is nothing what can do any harm to your body, the harm can be done to your mind, if you let it come. If you are in fear then the gate is open. I came to hell and I was in distress, because I came there to help someone I regard as precious to me. And entities run to me and started to jerk my body(astral)... But I saw through my problem and I balanced my mind. I found my peace inside... I let the LIGHT to shine... and devils run away. I deal with entities with respect whether they look or feel evil or saint... I try to help. But when I see them doing wrong things to others(then myself) then I attack the evil (passively or actively depending on situation).

Crystallized fluoride and concentrated heavy metals in pineal gland? No living tissue would stand that and remain alive. Heavy metals are not magnetic. Iron, cobalt, nickel yes, as are some alloys. But it is necessary to differentiate the composition needed for material to be ferromagnetic. For example, iron is magnetic, but FeO and Fe2O3 are not. But Fe3O4 is again ferromagnetic. And one must also consider whether material is not above Curie temperature, otherways material will not be ferromagnetic (Dysprosium is not ferromagnetic above -188°C) And if what you say is true then I'm dead because of MRI magnet I was in (field intensity ~5T ). That puny permanent magnets are small and seldom have more than about 1T . I tried them during a few months but if something they were distractive(similarly to nonmagnetic things like minerals, pentagrams heptagrams, nonagrams), my concentration was weaker when I had them pressing on my head.

Originally Posted by Psionik

Please don't spread horror stories. There is nothing wrong with black hole. It is only material. It does have as strong effect on you as you believe it has. Be free of your prejudice and it won't have any effect.
I did many things during about 30 years of traveling out of body and NOTHING has detrimental effect on physical body.
Evil entities... I was a two times in hell but there is not problem with devils. Problem is in Yourself. Your mind is weak. It needs to be quiet, in balance. Peacefull. There is nothing what can do any harm to your body, the harm can be done to your mind, if you let it come. If you are in fear then the gate is open. I came to hell and I was in distress, because I came there to help someone I regard as precious to me. And entities run to me and started to jerk my body(astral)... But I saw through my problem and I balanced my mind. I found my peace inside... I let the LIGHT to shine... and devils run away. I deal with entities with respect whether they look or feel evil or saint... I try to help. But when I see them doing wrong things to others(then myself) then I attack the evil (passively or actively depending on situation).

Crystallized fluoride and concentrated heavy metals in pineal gland? No living tissue would stand that and remain alive. Heavy metals are not magnetic. Iron, cobalt, nickel yes, as are some alloys. But it is necessary to differentiate the composition needed for material to be ferromagnetic. For example, iron is magnetic, but FeO and Fe2O3 are not. But Fe3O4 is again ferromagnetic. And one must also consider whether material is not above Curie temperature, otherways material will not be ferromagnetic (Dysprosium is not ferromagnetic above -188°C) And if what you say is true then I'm dead because of MRI magnet I was in (field intensity ~5T ). That puny permanent magnets are small and seldom have more than about 1T . I tried them during a few months but if something they were distractive(similarly to nonmagnetic things like minerals, pentagrams heptagrams, nonagrams), my concentration was weaker when I had them pressing on my head.

First of all the only way you can protect yourself from evil entities is by not being exposed to any television your entire life, and your attitude won't do much if your pineal gland "flood gate" is wide open to the astral plane. Regardless of your confidence, if you're not prepared in the correct ways there's no way to defend your self. On the contrary, it is your own doing to let them into your life originally, but opening this gland while not having took care of these problems first of all, you will lose the chance to ever remove them. By the way there is calcified fluoride in your pineal gland, this has been scientifically proven.
This documentary discloses this fluoride problem thoroughly in case you don't believe me.

Ach... another believer in bad science . Scientist shouldn't believe in truth of anomalous data. Dependencies should be proven. There can't be discrepancies. Otherwise it is not science, only belief. For example: https://openparachute.wordpress.com/...e-on-fluoride/

As I wrote on my post higher, I do OBE for nearly 30 years. I needed to find way how to repeat first experience which was a fluke... it took me about 4 years to repeat separation from body. Years through which I experimented and refined my technique... trained relaxation, concentration, thinking through emotions and intuition. My experiences are mainly serene, peacefull... sublime. But there were also some attacks, which I found to be... dependent on my state of mind. Never I was in danger of loosing... My intuition told me what to do(I felt what I need to do). And I did that. It never failed.
TV is irrelevant if you can maintain detached mind. Astral is reacting to your imagination. You can materialize subconsciously every fear... or wish... And then you need to deal with that. My way is to be detached observer. In extreme this leads to hologram like surrounding... you interact with surrounding only occasionally(needs concentration to be able to touch things) but nearly allways you pass through things. I can't remember anything imagined from TV in my travels. Also I don't use active imagination as I found it leads to destabilization of "reality" and leads to lucid dreaming. The feel of surrounding changes... and it is almost always impossible to change it back.

Originally Posted by Psionik

Ach... another believer in bad science . Scientist shouldn't believe in truth of anomalous data. Dependencies should be proven. There can't be discrepancies. Otherwise it is not science, only belief. For example: https://openparachute.wordpress.com/...e-on-fluoride/

As I wrote on my post higher, I do OBE for nearly 30 years. I needed to find way how to repeat first experience which was a fluke... it took me about 4 years to repeat separation from body. Years through which I experimented and refined my technique... trained relaxation, concentration, thinking through emotions and intuition. My experiences are mainly serene, peacefull... sublime. But there were also some attacks, which I found to be... dependent on my state of mind. Never I was in danger of loosing... My intuition told me what to do(I felt what I need to do). And I did that. It never failed.
TV is irrelevant if you can maintain detached mind. Astral is reacting to your imagination. You can materialize subconsciously every fear... or wish... And then you need to deal with that. My way is to be detached observer. In extreme this leads to hologram like surrounding... you interact with surrounding only occasionally(needs concentration to be able to touch things) but nearly allways you pass through things. I can't remember anything imagined from TV in my travels. Also I don't use active imagination as I found it leads to destabilization of "reality" and leads to lucid dreaming. The feel of surrounding changes... and it is almost always impossible to change it back.

ultimately your state of mind dictates what can "attack" "you". But i'm just saying, fluoride is extremely toxic, and there is "science" saying it's good for your teeth. Tell that to the corporation which creates fluoride and dumps it in your drinking water because the toxic waste of the creation of aluminium is too toxic and expensive to be dumped, so instead it's ran through your water/system. Fluoride is absolutely one of the worst chemicals you can ingest.

You are as strong as you are. Ultimately your biggest saboteur are you alone. Meditate on it... don't think, feel yourself. Eventually, the wrong things in your conscious and subconscious mind will float out of shadow and you will start to be aware of them. To battle them will not help, they can even grow from energy you invest against them. But passive battle helps much. It means to recognize them, to know their roots and to cut them out. It is long process.

Fluoride is problem sometimes, but it is also often overrated. Please read this Fluoride toxicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... And also attached literature. You don't eat fluoride paste. It is only for cleaning. Lets calculate: There is approximately 150 mg of fluoride per typical 100g tube of typical fluoride paste. If I want to die horrible way - I have 85kg which means I need to consume about 4.25g of fluoride which translates into more than 28 tubes of fluoride paste. Or it equals 2.83kg of fluoride paste. I'm not sure if I could eat even one tube... While its taste is OK, it is not feeling so OK if it comes accidentally into digestive tract even in small amounts...
I know of much worse chemicals than fluoride to be digested. Where it is needed 40-60mg/kg to kill human by fluoride, it is needed only 2-4mg/kg of cyanide, or about 22microgram/kg of ricin(when intravenous) or 1-2ng/kg of botulinum toxin...

Originally Posted by Harothehobogod

This topic inspired me to create an account just to respond..

Believe me or not, ive had similar experiences completely naturally.

A specific entity has been borderlining on my peripheral vision without letting me fully ever perceive it. its very vague and it has proven itself as "not a result of schizophrenia", its hard to explain but please trust me, i am positive of this fact.

It occasionally gives me very insightful knowledge through the use of overly potent coincidences, it never fails and happens almost immediately so i am sure that its not schizophrenia, though i have definitely questioned it.

My very first encounter was in my backyard, where I heard sounds of unearthly music. the music sounded nothing like anything i have ever heard. Once i entered my home, the sounds immediately shifted to torturous moans, which scared me completely. By the time i entered my room, the experience was over.

The being is friendly and is the only one i have encountered, but I did in fact hear something extremely unsettling and it could have come from an unrelated source. Only once has this negative situation happened.

At the height of all experiences, the being mimics me perfectly and stares directly into the right side of my face while apparently ignoring how awkward i felt because of it. from what i was able to see, it is very tall, at least 8 ft. it may have multiple faces but i am not sure.

Reading this makes the entire situation make a bit more sense to me, i am glad that I'm not just a crazy LDer.
I've considered linking the phenomenon with fractal elves, and i have come to the conclusion that these entities exist at different frequencies (NOT universes) and are equally occupying the earth, but this is all i have figured out. They also seem to be more aware of the entire situation than we humans are..maybe..most of them.

I have told people and they never believe me, but this topic has (to me) confirmed that i am not a schizophrenic.

To be honest, these experiences have scared me despite the welcoming nature, i am afraid of the unknown phenomenon that is this.

Thank you, for i am not insane.

Originally Posted by cyaelO

i believe all of our frequencies are changing. rapidly. i also believe this is effecting everyone differently. especially when you put effort and WILL into what your experiencing. im going through some things and i've questioned my sanity multiple times. but in retrospect, we're all insane. i also more than not feel more [I]sane[I] than others. but like i said.. what is sanaty? its all about perspective. and what you do with it. will... and perspective.


oh, and i love this idea and cant hear how it turns out for you. what i'm wondering is if this magnetism is effecting the already trace amounts of metals in and around your pineal gland. and if so? how much of this is actually affecting the pineal gland non directly through the magnetism or... directly? good luck and be safe! please keep us posted.

Thanks for shareing

I wore a magnet while I slept with the north facing me and takeing melatonin..two weeks I started seeing things and strangely my body pains seemed to go away and my eyesight improved..and this is not a joke this is what I did and what I experienced

Funny you brought that up on yourself...I was thinging about that as well .But with earth battery connect..I would go farther but I think you might see what I'm getting at.

I did this for a month last year. After a couple weeks I also started to notice shadow things. I thought maybe I was just seeing things or my mind was playing a trick on me, but one afternoon I saw a shadow thing move across the kitchen and my boxer dog also saw it.

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Originally Posted by JAFO470

... and my boxer dog also saw it.

Hmmm, just curious - how do you know if your dog saw it too???

Because, you know, over the last 40 thousand years we human created dogs with relatively visible "white of the eye" (which is not as visible as in undomesticated dogs, aka wolves, and not visible at all in other less social canines species). Because of that and because of the social nature of dogs / wolves they quickly learned to recognized and imitate many human communication cues. This includes the ability to understand where a person looks at and in response to a possible threat (if the human exhibits such signs) to look to the same direction and even react instinctively and prematurely (e.g. by barking).

Edit: Btw, about identifying north / south poles, just install on you mobile a compass app if it's not already pre-installed on it, since almost all modern devices come with a build-in compass for navigation purposes. Just try not to brick your phone in the process (keep it a small distance away).

Originally Posted by Cougar9

I wore a magnet while I slept with the north facing me and takeing melatonin..two weeks I started seeing things and strangely my body pains seemed to go away and my eyesight improved..and this is not a joke this is what I did and what I experienced

Taking melatonin is what makes you to see things(hallucinations), if you want valid experiments with magnets, stop using drugs please. melatonin can cause hallucinations??!!! - General Education Discussion Board - The Well-Trained Mind Community
My experiments with Neos didn't show any effect of magnets...

Originally Posted by Psionik

Taking melatonin is what makes you to see things(hallucinations), if you want valid experiments with magnets, stop using drugs please. melatonin can cause hallucinations??!!! - General Education Discussion Board - The Well-Trained Mind Community
My experiments with Neos didn't show any effect of magnets...

Melatonin is not a drug, it is a hormone produced by the body to cause you to fall asleep, its pill form is only a supplement. Melatonin is as much a drug as Vitamin C.

Well, you've got a point mooseantlers, but at the same time I can see psionik's point. You can't expect good results when you aren't controlling for variables like taking supplements. That's not even getting into the fact that some supplements are drugs. Some prescription drugs in some countries are unregulated supplements in others. Not to mention, some organic compounds produced in the body are capable of producing psychoactive effects. Look at phenylethylamine (PEA), which can be almost as potent of a stimulant as amphetamine, given you take the right amount or in conjunction with a MAO-B inhibitor. Doesn't mean melatonin will cause any kind those effects, but the fact that it's produced in the body doesn't really mean anything in the context of that argument. But, I digress.

You can name it supplement, or vitamin, but it has mind altering abilities. The same adrenaline, serotonine, endorphins... You can have hallucinations if you have too much of them and also too low amount changes perception... Too low or too high level of nearly everything can have that effect. Minerals, nutrients, vitamins... Also, some people are more sensitive than others are.

I have never heard of melatonin having hallucinogenic properties, I'll have to read the link that you've posted. I it does though I would think it probably is at least one of the factors making dreaming possible in the first place. But I've heard theories on DMT being a factor as well.

DMT is structurally close to melatonin, serotonin and dopamine- it binds to those receptors in brain and creates similar effects as if there is higher concentration of those compounds.

I wonder: if someone who can create lucid dreams has low level of those neurotransmitters - could he create lucid dream even then? What kind of properties would such dream have?

Originally Posted by Psionik

DMT is structurally close to melatonin, serotonin and dopamine- it binds to those receptors in brain and creates similar effects as if there is higher concentration of those compounds.

I wonder: if someone who can create lucid dreams has low level of those neurotransmitters - could he create lucid dream even then? What kind of properties would such dream have?

If you read the literature out there about what's going on in the brain, the activity in the brain regarding those neurotransmitters actually almost goes completely silent. Or rather, dopamine signaling still happens, but serotonin and norepinephrine activity almost completely ceases. When people take drugs that interfere with this, it's observed that it interrupts the dreaming process. The real question is more along the lines of, could a lucid dreamer actually create a lucid dream with higher levels of serotonin and norepinephrine during those stages of sleep?

Also, DMT's pharmacology is much more complex than that. I'm sure you know that, but to describe it as creating similar effects to what would happen if there were simply higher concentrations of those neurotransmitters is simply not the case. For instance, SSRIs aren't psychedelic because it turns out many serotonin receptors are co-localized with some glutamate receptors. Serotonin, when bound to the receptor, does not activate these co-localized glutamate receptors, but psychedelics do. I don't really remember if DMT does anything with melatonin receptors, although I'm pretty sure it doesn't. It's mostly to do with the 5-HT (serotonin) receptors associated with psychedelic activity, sigma receptors (lately these ones have been found to be more important when it comes to its psychoactive effects--most other psychedelics don't activate sigma receptors, but many dissociative drugs do. it's got important implications in why dissociatives are better candidates for testing animal models of schizophrenia that psychedelics are, or at least the psychedelics without sigma activity), a specific dopamine receptor subtype (D1, which is kind of strange since LSD is a D2 agonist instead), and adrenergic receptors. It's far from being as cut and dry as saying it mimics what would happen if there were simply a higher concentration of these neurotransmitters, which is quite often the case with a lot of drugs (keep the co-localized glutamate and serotonin bit, for example).

I don't know much about this stuff. But I thought- if there is higher amount of neurotransmitter during sleep, we dream. Or we can dream. If there is very low amount of them, we are in deep sleep. Now meditation is behaving like deep sleep according to EEG but subject remains conscious...
Also some sources claimed that by OBE is brain in very deep sleep - very low activity. Elsewhere I read about zero brain activity(according to EEG) during OBE, but maybe it wasn't reliable source, or their EEG wasn't sensitive enough...

edit- I don't know how much is this related to this discussion nor how big credibility this information has- but even todler(2.5 years old) had OBE during NDE. But, then again, it was found that during dyeing the activity of brain is abnormally high. Therefore neurotransmitters level must be high too? http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98447&page=1