Thread: Looking for people that are Advance Dream Controllers for simple experiment

I'm looking for people which I would consider to be Advanced or Expert Level in Controlling their dreams. I've never met anyone else who had the control other than myself to try the experiment. Now that I have found this site maybe it is possible to try it. Please don't apply unless you are at the level I'm seeking.

I've always wondered if my dreams were only in my mind or something more.

Here is my simple experiment:

1) Have 2 or more Advanced Dream Controllers try to connect their dreams and see if it can be done. It shouldn't make a difference how far apart they are physically. Just as long at they both try it on the same night and approximate time.

2) I would pass on to the other person a piece of information only in the dream. If the other person can tell me what I revealed I would consider it a success.

This would show if dreams are just totally independent of each other and only in the persons mind or something more.

Maybe I'm crazy but I have always wondered. Especially since I dream now and then when I am just letting the dream go and take it's own path without too much interruption from me. I sometimes dream of things that will happen at some future date. I don't know what to think about it. My wife even more. Because I will tell her in the morning and when they come to pass she used to kind of get freaked out about it. Now we just try to see if they will come true or not. Kind of fun in a way.

So are dreams just dreams or something more?

Who is up for this that is at the level I'm looking for???

Check out some dream sharing threads here in Beyond dreaming.

*Moved to beyond dreaming

There has to be someone here that is at the Dream Control Level I'm looking for??? I can't be the only one.

From my experience dream control and dream sharing aren't that closely related. I'd say my control is pretty good (nearly five years of LD experience), but I haven't had many shared dreams. Maybe a handful out of 2 years. I'm guessing the two people would have to already share dreams on a regular basis to get any sort of results.

Originally Posted by Auron

From my experience dream control and dream sharing aren't that closely related. I'd say my control is pretty good (nearly five years of LD experience), but I haven't had many shared dreams. Maybe a handful out of 2 years. I'm guessing the two people would have to already share dreams on a regular basis to get any sort of results.

I've been "Lucid Dreaming" as far back as I can remember. I've been using "Dream Control" for over 30 years. I've had some experience where it seems like I was connected with someone else. But I couldn't confirm it because the other person(s) doesn't have the recall or control I posses after the dream is over. So I always wonder if it is possible.

And if you find this gifted person, and pass some form of information.
What then ?

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

And if you find this gifted person, and pass some form of information.
What then ?

Well if it worked it would make sense to try pass information the other way for the next test and move on from there.

I used to have full control of dreams, which was not a learned skill.
From an early age I could blow up tanks, and use telekenesis.
Passing through walls, and flying was also possible.
If I mentioned this to any friends, I was looked down on. ( No internet in the 70s )
The novelty took a good 35 years to wear off, and dreams were no longer appealing.
Then I came up with the idea of forgetting my gift, or trying to let a dream run its course.
Much more interesting when you are not in control.
Then I found this site, and posed a basic question, which got some replies, but all fell below expectations.

Have to go now, as I have to cook food for kids.
Will try to reply with a fuller answer later in the week.
This reply is a bit rushed.
Cheers,
Phil

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

I used to have full control of dreams, which was not a learned skill.
From an early age I could blow up tanks, and use telekenesis.
Passing through walls, and flying was also possible.
If I mentioned this to any friends, I was looked down on. ( No internet in the 70s )
The novelty took a good 35 years to wear off, and dreams were no longer appealing.
Then I came up with the idea of forgetting my gift, or trying to let a dream run its course.
Much more interesting when you are not in control.
Then I found this site, and posed a basic question, which got some replies, but all fell below expectations.

Have to go now, as I have to cook food for kids.
Will try to reply with a fuller answer later in the week.
This reply is a bit rushed.
Cheers,
Phil

Phil,

You dreaming parallels my own. I too started to get a little bored because I was in complete control all the time. So I started to do what I called "Free Dreaming". I would let the dream follow its own natural course. Sometimes I would interfere a little but most of the time I would just let it go where ever it led me. Most of the time looking at the dream from a 3rd persons point of view. I found out a lot about myself this way.

Now I have a crazy question since your dreaming is so similar to my own. When you are free dreaming, have you dreamed of things that came true later? I do once in awhile. I thought it was a coincidence at first. But I keep dreaming things that come true. Not everything does.... But you know what I mean.

Please reply back. I think I finally found someone that I can talk to about this that is at my same dream level.

Dream one
I am in a vehicle travelling along a country road.
The road bends to the right. Trees line both sides.
A car has a head on collision with the vehicle I am in.
Suddenly I am in another vehicle passing by.
I wake up, and go to my PC. The news on the internet has a head on collision happening 80 miles from me.
I check its location on Google Earth, and it is exactly as I remember from the dream.

Dream 2
I am in a high rise apartment.
A man is not being very nice to me. He looks scared.
He puts me in a bath on the balcony. At last I can relax
Very strange, as the bath is full of sand.
I wake up and tell my wife the story.
A few weeks later I find a woman has been murdered, and her body put in a bath, on a balcony.
Not a good memory to have.

Dream 3 - Train accident in india
Dream 4 - Flooding
Dream 5 - Events happening, and then coming true in my own life years later.
Dream 7 - .......................................
Dream 8
"
etc, etc

These dreams are not controlled by me in any way, but seem almost real.
If I dream of a disaster, and it comes true, what is the point of the dream?
I can not influence its outcome.
It is a sad situation to be in, seeing death, but not being able to help anyone.
Tell people, and they think you are a nut.
I keep quiet about these things, and even on here I have tried to restrict what I say.
There are several sayings that I now go by.
" Ignorance is bliss "
" Careful what you wish for "
The path you are trying to follow may not have the desired outcome.

Phil

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

These dreams are not controlled by me in any way, but seem almost real.
If I dream of a disaster, and it comes true, what is the point of the dream?
I can not influence its outcome.
It is a sad situation to be in, seeing death, but not being able to help anyone.
Tell people, and they think you are a nut.
I keep quiet about these things, and even on here I have tried to restrict what I say.
There are several sayings that I now go by.
" Ignorance is bliss "
" Careful what you wish for "
The path you are trying to follow may not have the desired outcome.

Phil

Phil,

I know exactly what you mean. I share things with my wife only. In the beginning she just humored me. But now she wants to know because so many things have come true. Mine are a mix of things. Good and Bad. I try to pay attention to the ones that personally affect me and my family.

I remember seeing my wedding and mom was sitting there alone without my dad years and years ago. My dad died 4 months before my wedding of pancreatic cancer they had only found 3 months before. I had the wedding dream years before this. If I had more details on why my dad was not at the wedding. I might have been able to get him to the doctor before it was in the final stage and it was too late.

I've also used it to predict when it is time to switch companies for my wife and myself. We currently work right next to each other in two different buildings for two different companies with only fountain between us. We carpool together to work most of the time. We both switched companies about 1 month apart over a year ago based on knowing what companies to apply at. We both got hired right away at each company and both got about 50% salary increase. I thought that was so weird.

It turned out for the better. Now my wife drives a BMW and I drive a Mercedes with the extra money. I always say we now have a mixed marriage because of the cars. LOL

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

Dream one

These dreams are not controlled by me in any way, but seem almost real.
If I dream of a disaster, and it comes true, what is the point of the dream?
I can not influence its outcome.
It is a sad situation to be in, seeing death, but not being able to help anyone.
Tell people, and they think you are a nut.
I keep quiet about these things, and even on here I have tried to restrict what I say.
There are several sayings that I now go by.
" Ignorance is bliss "
" Careful what you wish for "
The path you are trying to follow may not have the desired outcome.

Phil

I know where you're coming from Phil. The only people that know about me doing any of this kind of stuff are my closest friends (not even my family know about this) and I've been trying to restrict what I say about this kind of stuff out of fear that I'd be judged because of it.

For Phil.

Have you ever tried finding someone else while dreaming? I don't mean a person who has agreed beforehand, I mean someone that you know. Your wife sounds like the perfect choice because she is aware of your gift and she would be easiest to obtain the information from afterward. If I had your level of lucidity, I would search for people I knew in waking life and try to give them info they could then relate back to me later. Memory would be a problem for some, which is why I ask if you've tried it already. If this were possible, then it is conceivable that you could induce lucidity in another person. This would probably be your best bet in having them retain the memory. I've always wondered about this.

Originally Posted by PlanesWalker

For Phil.

Have you ever tried finding someone else while dreaming? I don't mean a person who has agreed beforehand, I mean someone that you know. Your wife sounds like the perfect choice because she is aware of your gift and she would be easiest to obtain the information from afterward. If I had your level of lucidity, I would search for people I knew in waking life and try to give them info they could then relate back to me later. Memory would be a problem for some, which is why I ask if you've tried it already. If this were possible, then it is conceivable that you could induce lucidity in another person. This would probably be your best bet in having them retain the memory. I've always wondered about this.

I think you mean this for me. I've tried with my wife. But she is a novice at best and her recollection of dreams is not that great. I can see her in a dream. But at least in my opinion we are not connecting. I'm only seeing a representation of her in my mind.

She said she dreams about me once in a while but I know it is not me because I would have remembered the dream she is describing and I don't. Kind of frustrating. But who knows, maybe it is not possible in the end. Maybe everybody just has there own dream world in their mind.

Oh yes, I did mean you. So your wife is the only one you've tried to contact without prior knowledge that you would do so?

Originally Posted by PlanesWalker

Oh yes, I did mean you. So your wife is the only one you've tried to contact without prior knowledge that you would do so?

Well, I tried with another coworker about a year ago that said she understood what I was talking about. It didn't work.

I tried to connect to others without telling them. Yet again, I see and interact with them. But it seems like they are only a representation of them in my mind.

Have you ever tried and what was the outcome?

I don't have the amount of control necessary to search for others. I can only summon DCs that appear identical to them. I hold on to the idea that it is possible though.

Perhaps you are being shown there is something more to dreams.

There is a lot more to dreams than some people can even realise.
To pass information in a dream, you must understand a basic concept.

If I contact you in a dream, and show you an ACTION MAN doll. To me it is just a doll which brings back memories of childhood.
The information received by you, may not even resemble a doll.
If you have a relative that died in a war, you may see death and misery.
You may see your favourite toy from childhood.
Association is the key to what is experienced in a dream state.
The information can only go from one person with full control over their dreams and emotions to another of same training.
First think of all the problems that can, and do occur, then think of a way to bypass them.
With 1000s members on here I am sure an effective experiment can be conceived.

Imagine thinking of a complicated image in a dream.
The exact workings of a clock for example.
The image is passed flawlessly to me, and I draw the very same image, down to the smallest detail.
Who would be interested ?
The public ?
Friends, and family ?
Dream forum members ?
All very harmless.
Now what if you/me lived in a country that was not friendly with the UK, or USA
Then who would be interested ?
We would both be laughed at by most, but there is always someone out there who sees a profit, or a threat.
Governments - Religous organisations - Military - Businessmen
There would soon be someone knocking on the door.

Then again there are so many crazy people, claiming so many bizzare things, we may just slip under the net.

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

Imagine thinking of a complicated image in a dream.
The exact workings of a clock for example.
The image is passed flawlessly to me, and I draw the very same image, down to the smallest detail.
Who would be interested ?
The public ?
Friends, and family ?
Dream forum members ?
All very harmless.
Now what if you/me lived in a country that was not friendly with the UK, or USA
Then who would be interested ?
We would both be laughed at by most, but there is always someone out there who sees a profit, or a threat.
Governments - Religous organisations - Military - Businessmen
There would soon be someone knocking on the door.

Then again there are so many crazy people, claiming so many bizzare things, we may just slip under the net.

Yes, I've read some strange claims on here as well. I have to take things I read here with a grain of salt. I know what I can do and have seen in my own dreams. That is about all I have to base others on. Unlike most of the others I have been doing LD & DC for over 35 years now about every night. I don't know if I can take it any further or I have just topped out on what a person can do in a dream. Maybe that is why I was wondering if connecting 2 people in a dream with some kind of proof was possible?

Originally Posted by EricinLA

I don't know if I can take it any further or I have just topped out on what a person can do in a dream. Maybe that is why I was wondering if connecting 2 people in a dream with some kind of proof was possible?

I think a difficulty here is that there's a tradeoff between shared experience and control. I'm terrible at control, simplistically speaking, but pretty much all of my dreams are shared in some sense now. People's dream abilities differ in a lot of other ways, there are a lot of different kinds of control and a lot of different ways that a person can be aware. If you were to define what shared dreaming is before you find out what it is to other people, and insist that it has to be that way, then I think you're unlikely to get very far. But if you're open to learning about what other people experience, even if they're not lucid in quite the same way you are, then you can get some objective demonstration. Putting something together that would stand up as a clinical trial type study would be pretty hard though. I think its possible, but it would have to be set up in a way that's a bit different from how people usually expect such experiments to be set up, and there wouldn't be any guarantee of success.

I have a picture on my PC, which can not be mistaken for anything else.
If seen by an Indian they would give the same name as an Australian.
The chances of it being mistaken for anything other than what it is, are very unlikely.
I am off to bed, and will meditate before sleeping, and think of nothing else.
During sleep, I will attempt to bring the picture with me into my dream.
Have a sleep yourself, and see if you can pick up on the picture.

This is open to anyone who dreams.
I will not reveal the image to anyone, unless reported correctly.
Cheers,
Phil

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

I have a picture on my PC, which can not be mistaken for anything else.
If seen by an Indian they would give the same name as an Australian.
The chances of it being mistaken for anything other than what it is, are very unlikely.
I am off to bed, and will meditate before sleeping, and think of nothing else.
During sleep, I will attempt to bring the picture with me into my dream.
Have a sleep yourself, and see if you can pick up on the picture.

This is open to anyone who dreams.
I will not reveal the image to anyone, unless reported correctly.
Cheers,
Phil

I tried last night after I read your comment. But nothing. I go to bed around 10pm Los Angeles time. What the time you go to bed and wake up? Maybe weren't eve asleep at the same time because of the difference in time zones?

Originally Posted by EricinLA

Maybe weren't eve asleep at the same time because of the difference in time zones?

For me, its not necessary to be asleep at the same time for this sort of thing, it doesn't work that way. The most likely time for me to get a vision of the object would have been the night before he posted the message.