Thread: lucid dream or other world?

I stopped transportation about a year ago, when I had an odd dream. Someone flew up to me and grabbed and transported us to a dark space. Only '' it '' had the power to do and make anything it even changed its physical form. Anything I made it could destroy or change, My Lucid skills were no match. According to Buddhist I was with an entitie. I just now have started Lucid dreaming again this last month finally relearned how to teleport oncemore.

Originally Posted by longtimelucid

I dont think we have anything to prove to one another. We all have the ability to transport ourselves to different realms whether dream or spiritual world or another dimension is just symantecs...we are all explorers venturing to places the physical body is not allowed and sharing those experiences

I don't think you are alone in your theory, and it is hard to find others that have shared in these experiences, I do believe transporting ourselves is the key to these other realms. Anyone I talk to in person about Lucid dreaming looks at me like I'm crazy but ancient civilizations have done it. my dreams really started to become unfamiliar when I learned to teleport and the people in it no longer seem like my projections. More like they know where they are and what is going on around them. I started asking if they use to be alive '' physical form of life '' I find odd answers, that I did not expect.

What were their answers? Try asking what is todays date? Or what planet are we on? Or how many hours in a day, minutes in an hour or seconds in a minute.

Their answers will determine if they are from earth as we are or elsewhere. Time as we know it applies only to earth in terms of dates, hours, minutes and seconds. And like I said previously they always know their names but nothing about earth history or time, dates, etc.

Why do you guys think you are visiting other realms rather than just being in your mind's projected reality? Do you really have any evidence that makes you think otherwise? What is it about your experiences that is so unique that it is not possible that you could just be in a false reality created by your mind?

Why do you think you are not in other realms? Why do think it is just in your mind? Do you have any proof that it is only in your mind? Are you scared of believing it is anything but your mind? Try opening yourself up to the possibilities of what it can be vs sticking with assumptions of what it might be. Nobody has proof of what lucid dreams are so until there is proof why not believe in what you were taught is impossible.

^^ Actually, there is plenty of proof that dreams are just happening inside your head, including years of brain-scan studies using fMRI machines (devices that allow us to see brain activity as it is happening), psychological studies, and decades of sleep study. As far as science is concerned, it's pretty clear that dreams are indeed manufactured inside your head, and you are not literally visiting other worlds when you dream, lucid or not. In other words, the proof that we dream inside our heads is already in, and has been for years; no belief necessary. But that, I believe, is not the end of the story:

Even with that proof in hand, there is still quite a bit we don't know yet about the true nature of dreaming. Sure, the worlds we visit are created inside our heads, but at the same time might we be making a connection to things beyond the workings of our many neurons alone? Could we be psychically sharing our created worlds with other dreamers, and vise-verse? These are just a couple of potential aspects of dreaming that could exist just fine even with the scientific proof noted, and discovering that they are possible through lucid dreaming would open some amazing doors for all of us, and I for one would be delighted if they could be proven. Belief in wonderful things is a fine stance for an open, inquiring mind, but to take that next step and convert that faith to actual knowledge is a far more powerful tool for that same mind.

So Snoop's question is valid, and sincere, I think: If lucid dreamers can find some sort of proof that they are experiencing worlds beyond the confines of their own skulls, this world would become a much more interesting place!

I cant be honest with you because im being censored, but find me on facebook if you want my real answer.

Originally Posted by calielizabeth

I cant be honest with you because im being censored, but find me on facebook if you want my real answer.

You were asked to keep your radical views on dreaming in off-topic sections. View, such as

Sleep paralysis, for example, can be a demon sitting on you trying to kill you.

are completely wrong and we don't appreciate anybody instilling baseless fears in our members.

We have people here of all religions and beliefs. Everybody is influenced by it to certain degree. But our main focus in on-topic sections is lucid dreaming, please respect that.

Sleep paralysis is a phenomena that occurs to every single human being (and possibly animals as well) including you, calielizabeth. Our mind paralyzes our physical body in order to not act out during our dreams. It may happen by accident or by preparing a WILD that we can be conscious during sleep paralysis. Last night I have experienced it twice and I can assure it is completely normal

We will really appreciate if to keep religion to oneself.

I invite you to post over Religion/Spirituality and share your believes there if you please, but without inducing fear.

In my honest opinion, fear equals darkness, as it is a negative feeling, and you are proving that Christianity is fear-based... I am sure you do not want to think that, so please, be mindful about it.

Thanks a ton!

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Actually, there is plenty of proof that dreams are just happening inside your head, including years of brain-scan studies using fMRI machines (devices that allow us to see brain activity as it is happening), psychological studies, and decades of sleep study. As far as science is concerned, it's pretty clear that dreams are indeed manufactured inside your head, and you are not literally visiting other worlds when you dream, lucid or not. In other words, the proof that we dream inside our heads is already in, and has been for years; no belief necessary.

Not so fast! There is no such proof.

What we have are lots of measurements that coincide, time-wise, with self-reported dreaming. This means they statistically correlate dreaming with the various measurements. But correlation proves nothing - absolutely nothing! Ever!

Strictly speaking we don't know diddly squat about the causes of dreaming, nor about their true nature. There are theories aplenty (and the dream researchers do not sing in unison; as a matter of fact there has been - and there remains - professional disagreement), but we do not know which of the theories - if any - are correct.

And how could we ever know? Knowing that you know all about some field ... that idea is preposterous! Humanity learns new things all the time, and there was never a time where we knew it all. Not about dreams, and not about anything.

"Dream science" of the year 2100 will probably look at todays state of that science, in the same manner a grown-up looks at a child trying to act as a grown-up. We aint seen nothin' yet!

And personally, I think what will eventually become uncovered will blow our minds.

^^ Hmm. It's curious that you didn't include the second and third paragraphs of my post, which, though they don't line up exactly with what you said, come pretty close, and certainly show that I was saying that there is much we do not know yet about the nature of dreaming. Maye you missed them, so here is the whole thing:

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Actually, there is plenty of proof that dreams are just happening inside your head, including years of brain-scan studies using fMRI machines (devices that allow us to see brain activity as it is happening), psychological studies, and decades of sleep study. As far as science is concerned, it's pretty clear that dreams are indeed manufactured inside your head, and you are not literally visiting other worlds when you dream, lucid or not. In other words, the proof that we dream inside our heads is already in, and has been for years; no belief necessary. But that, I believe, is not the end of the story:

Even with that proof in hand, there is still quite a bit we don't know yet about the true nature of dreaming. Sure, the worlds we visit are created inside our heads, but at the same time might we be making a connection to things beyond the workings of our many neurons alone? Could we be psychically sharing our created worlds with other dreamers, and vise-verse? These are just a couple of potential aspects of dreaming that could exist just fine even with the scientific proof noted, and discovering that they are possible through lucid dreaming would open some amazing doors for all of us, and I for one would be delighted if they could be proven. Belief in wonderful things is a fine stance for an open, inquiring mind, but to take that next step and convert that faith to actual knowledge is a far more powerful tool for that same mind.

So Snoop's question is valid, and sincere, I think: If lucid dreamers can find some sort of proof that they are experiencing worlds beyond the confines of their own skulls, this world would become a much more interesting place!

As you can see, I never said we know all there is to know about dreaming. In my opinion we have barely scratched the surface, as the physiological part is the easy part, research-wise. And yes, we still know very little about dreaming; yes, all that brain imagery and research might just be coincidental, because activity happens to occur at the same time that a subject says she was dreaming; and yes, as we are with so many things involving consciousness and cognition, research still depends on the testimony of possibly errant individuals.

There is plenty to find out yet, but we do seem to have established that there is a physiological link between the brain and dreams... for all we know (and as I implied in the second paragraph of that post) the brain activity might just be our active perception of other worlds -- ethereal transmission and reception equipment firing up to put us in communication with distant spiritual places, and this equipment is able to defy all known laws of physics to connect us -- perhaps even deliver us -- to other worlds. I personally doubt that that is true (and, anecdotally, given the amount of traveling I've done in dreams to date, I think I would have at least suspected as much by now), but I would be truly delighted to find out it was.

I agree with you completely Voldmer, in that there is much to be learned. I also hold as true that advanced lucid dreaming will unlock many wonderful truths and phenomena, probably some that haven't even occurred to us yet. But I also think it wise to start with the obvious -- i.e., that brain activity and dream creation are related somehow -- and work out from there. To assume from the get-go that we are visiting other worlds, and then say that such travel is possible because you can't prove otherwise, tends to create illusory concepts that conceal what's really going on in dreams, rather than reveal it. It is great fun to imagine that we visit other worlds when we dream, but there may be wisdom in first assuming that we are just creating those worlds in our heads, just to avoid deluding ourselves and leaving the path to real knowledge, distracted by wonderful misconceptions; later, with experience, we will learn the truth through LD'ing anyway; why risk obscuring that truth, or preventing its discovery, with possibly misleading fantasy?

tl;dr: Yes, because the "proof" lies exclusively in the realm of physiological observations linked perhaps coincidentally to subjects' testimonies, we have barely scratched the surface of what we know about dreaming; I never said otherwise. And, as the rest of my post implies, much more of what we learn might reveal currently supernatural connections between dreaming and other realms.

I hope I was clearer this time, and also that you made it past the first paragraph!

Someone has probably said this somewhere in this thread before, I haven't read through all of it yet so forgive me if I'm repeating someone but:

Maybe those who feel that Lucid Dreams are other worlds simply just want to believe that because they wish for the hobby to amount to something more than life itself. When I say that I am not going against any transcendental experiences or possibilities, but maybe you just want lucid dreams to be real/other worlds because they mean alot to you in general. If that is so, I can see where you are coming from.
Many of my lucid dreams have been truly empowering experiences, and I continue to advance in my Lucid Dreaming journey to find even greater things that I have never even seen before.
That being said, the mind is a powerful thing, it can create experiences that we have never even thought possible. The imagination itself is a good example.

If Lucid Dreaming really does bring you to another world, Im sure alot of us would be seen as ethically challenged there-more over criminals- because of the actions of many male oneironauts in Lucid Dreams.

^ You're absolutely right. The powerful lure of magical beliefs is that they promise special abilities - basically superpowers. Or an escape from drab reality with all its limitations. And since what happens in dreams can seem so real and is so emotionally overwhelming at times, a lot of people give in to the temptation to believe (or at least to very strongly try to believe, and convince themselves that they do) that what happens in dreams and various dreamlike states is somehow another reality.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Hmm. It's curious that you didn't include the second and third paragraphs of my post, which, though they don't line up exactly with what you said, come pretty close, and certainly show that I was saying that there is much we do not know yet about the nature of dreaming. Maye you missed them, so here is the whole thing:

Nope, didn't miss them at all. I read them, and liked them.

Originally Posted by Sageous

There is plenty to find out yet, but we do seem to have established that there is a physiological link between the brain and dreams...

Originally Posted by Sageous

But I also think it wise to start with the obvious -- i.e., that brain activity and dream creation are related somehow

Originally Posted by Sageous

I hope I was clearer this time, and also that you made it past the first paragraph!

I like what you wrote this time around much more, and the two quotes above (before the last one) phrase it exactly like I would have wished to see it the first time. It was simply because you used the word "proof", that I had to get involved. Proof implies certainty; a proof cannot be wrong. Therefore, by using the word proof, you were giving the impression, that dreams certainly must be a product of the brain.

I realise completely, that in doing so you are simply following the trend set by the mass media, and probably a good many of the leading researchers in dream research. But all these are still in error, because none of them are in any way capable of proving the cause of dreams, or that dreams are simply a product of the brain. They strongly believe in their various dreaming theories, but belief isn't proof.

Arguably, this is all about semantics, but I dread theories being presented as if they were facts. Being a physicist myself, I am all too aware of this problem. Newtons theories were taken for fact, but they were wrong. Einsteins relativity theory is taken for a fact, but it is unproven. Quantum mechanics is lauded as the epitome of truth, but it still remains an elaborate set of hypotheses. Etc. Etc. Believing that something has been proven, stops people from investigating alternatives, and this can potentially stop scientific evolution dead in its tracks.

^^ Good points all; and sometimes semantics do matter.

In my defense, and it isn't much of one, I used the word "proof" in response to the post to which I was responding; in hindsight, I probably should have used "evidence" and saved us both some time!

Yes I believe, that sometimes I do travel out of my head. And tbh, I don't really care if it's true or not. : teeth :

I used to believe it was all inside your own head, but then I started to encounter DC's which seemed to have their own intelligence, DC's which had their own agenda and seemed to have their own mind. It's very hard to describe but you just instinctively know that its not a regular DC, their behaviour is much different and unique in some way. Often these type of entities are out to harm you and can come back into your dreams on multiple occasions, others are more benign.

On top of this I've had transcendental dreams of visiting heavenly places or other planets, meeting spiritual beings and experienced astral projection and different dimensions.

Surely this can't all be in my mind. The closest explanation is that there's an astral plane where everything dreamy - anything imagined and real - can exist and that sometimes we tap into that.

Yes. Another reality.

Originally Posted by longtimelucid

Hello all Ive been lucid dreaming for over 30 years and Im almost convinced that our minds or souls are transported to another world when lucid dreaming. Based on the realism including sight, taste, touch, smell and real coversations with people Ive never met. Also based on questions I ask others in my lucid dreams. Your thoughts on the possibility that they are not dreams but real?

I did that and the answers are always different; strange numbers or, for example: are we in planet earth? Yes, I think so , they don't tell us the truth; or, what date is today ? It's something from the paste , now we don't count.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Actually, there is plenty of proof that dreams are just happening inside your head, including years of brain-scan studies using fMRI machines (devices that allow us to see brain activity as it is happening), psychological studies, and decades of sleep study. As far as science is concerned, it's pretty clear that dreams are indeed manufactured inside your head, and you are not literally visiting other worlds when you dream, lucid or not. In other words, the proof that we dream inside our heads is already in, and has been for years; no belief necessary. But that, I believe, is not the end of the story:

Even with that proof in hand, there is still quite a bit we don't know yet about the true nature of dreaming. Sure, the worlds we visit are created inside our heads, but at the same time might we be making a connection to things beyond the workings of our many neurons alone? Could we be psychically sharing our created worlds with other dreamers, and vise-verse? These are just a couple of potential aspects of dreaming that could exist just fine even with the scientific proof noted, and discovering that they are possible through lucid dreaming would open some amazing doors for all of us, and I for one would be delighted if they could be proven. Belief in wonderful things is a fine stance for an open, inquiring mind, but to take that next step and convert that faith to actual knowledge is a far more powerful tool for that same mind.

So Snoop's question is valid, and sincere, I think: If lucid dreamers can find some sort of proof that they are experiencing worlds beyond the confines of their own skulls, this world would become a much more interesting place!

I have to agree with all my years of Total Dream Control and Experimentation. I can only come to the conclusion it is in your head. Maybe it's another reality, but only in your own mind.

Originally Posted by EricinLA

I have to agree with all my years of Total Dream Control and Experimentation. I can only come to the conclusion it is in your head. Maybe it's another reality, but only in your own mind.

< Berlin, 1929. The poet and journalist George Sylvester Viereck has charmed an interview out of an initially reluctant superstar physicist¹. He asks: "How do you account for your discoveries? Through intuition or inspiration?" Albert Einstein replies:
"Both. I sometimes feel I am right, but do not know it. When two expeditions of scientists went to test my theory I was convinced they would confirm my theory. I wasn't surprised when the results confirmed my intuition, but I would have been surprised had I been wrong. I'm enough of an artist to draw freely on my imagination, which I think is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."
Knowledge versus imagination. Einstein's aphorisms reflects a recurrent theme in human thought. The ancient dichotomy between what we know and what we dream, intuit or sense by instinct is found, in some form, in every field of human intellectual endeavour. It is seen in the contrast between rationalist and mystic interpretations of the world's great religions, between realism and surrealism in the visual arts and between the brutal number-crunching of much experimental physics and the feathery abstractions of superstring and membrane theory.
Was Einstein right? Is imagination more important than knowledge? As our realities become more complex we seem increasingly to prefer imagination, but that preference is culture-dependent.
Yet cult doctrines, born in the fiery freedom of imagination, tend to solidify into the restriction of dogma, leading to the rejection of any information which does not fit. As social psychologists ( and I am) have noted, however, the pattern of growth, stability and attrition seems to be a fundamental one for human groups across many different fields of endeavour.
So is imagination more important than knowledge? It depends on whom you ask, what you ask about, and when."
From Kathleen Taylor , a research scientist in the department of physiology at Oxford University >

Good resume discription .

Originally Posted by Lb1025

Yes, ever since I have learned the ability to teleport to different dreams, the people, the scenery, their answers are all different. I feel as if we have found a path to the spiritual realm. The dream no longer feels like mine, more as if it has been there for a long while. I am unfamiliar with the whole scenery.

Normal dream is like watching a film you project mixed with ceneries and in a LD you jump into the interior of the movie itself