Hi all:D
Is this even possible?:cheeky:
Do you have to see the person you want to share dream with?:shock:
What are the limits?:shock:
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Hi all:D
Is this even possible?:cheeky:
Do you have to see the person you want to share dream with?:shock:
What are the limits?:shock:
Yo.
Haven't had any personal experiences with it, but according to some dream journals on here that i read it might be very possible. :-?
Waking nomad, raven knight, hyu, lucid max. There are others. :) it just depends on if you believe what you read on the internet.
You don't have to see them. It is just supposedly easier if you know the person.
There are no limits to dreams. :shadewink:
So, If a crush is your neighbor, you can invade their dreams and play monopoly with them?
Whats shared dreams? :shock:
You're in your crush's dream and the best thing you can think of doing is playing monopoly?Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperDream
I think it's possible. It's definitely something that I am going to experiment with once I become more experienced.
http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...g-1-dream.html
My answer is in here^
Eh, the whole shared dreaming concept kind of bothers me. I definitely don't want people entering my dreams. I don't even like having people I know read my dreams, so having them actually enter them... not good for me. I also don't think it's scientifically possible.
If you don't like it, then shared dreaming won't come to you easily because you personally and subconsciously built a wall to prevent any such thing to occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
So don't worry no one will enter "your" dreams, but it is possible than you can visit others without knowing it.
Where did you get that information from? How can I visit others without knowing it? o_oQuote:
Originally Posted by hathor28
Because it happened to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
I do not think so it is possible to share a dream with someone, It will be great if this happen.
Good for you, keep thinking this way and it won't happen for you. It will happen to open-minded people and patient.Quote:
Originally Posted by oliverclay
That's a very flimsy argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by hathor28
I don't believe its possible at the moment but in the future, with technology advancing the way it is I reckon it will be possible with eye and light signals to make some sort of code that could be used to communicate with.
Um, this should be moved to beyond dreaming, I think.
Good point Taffy.
*moved to beyond dreaming
There is no way that you can say this with any certainty, you have no evidence that the same case applies to someone else just because it happens to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by hathor28
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There is no way that you can say this with any certainty, you have no evidence that the same case applies to someone else just because it happens to you.
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That's a very flimsy argument.
Yes do tell it is not possible and keep thinking this way. Only because there's no evidence on what i say, but it does add up....Quote:
I don't believe its possible at the moment but in the future, with technology advancing the way it is I reckon it will be possible with eye and light signals to make some sort of code that could be used to communicate with.
Telepathy,
dream telepathy,
and Meditation, put those together and you can do a lot in dreams and non-dreams. It all relates to mind, body and soul, also all 3 that can happen in dreams and non dreams.(mind, body and soul)
if that isn't good enough for proof then i got nothing else to say to you.
Hathor28, you can't do shared dreaming because shared dreaming doesn't exist. :D
Prove it.
You can't prove it's either possible or impossible, therefore scientifically you can't make a statement either way. It's something that depends entirely on subjective experience, so outside the realm of science.
Are you thinking shard dreaming means 2 people have exactly the same dream with no ambiguity whatsoever? Thats not how it works, and that's usually what people are arguing against when they say dream sharing is impossible. But it's a strawman. In dreaming there's no objective basis for anything - we all dream up environments and bodies in our own characteristic way, so if 2 people dream about the same thing the dreams can be very different in many ways but still contain the same basic idea or message.
We already know eyewitness testimony is totally unreliable - 5 people can witness exactly the same event and give totally different accounts of it that fail to match up. And that's when they're awaKe and experiencing the same objective reality! Imagine if a single event is witnessed by those same 5 people in their dreams - how differently would they experience it then?
Its possible to exchange information in dreams. So its possible for some people to prove it to themselves that way. It would be pretty hard to prove in a scientific setting, maybe hard enough that its not worth trying now. I don't see any reason its impossible in principle though.
My 'shared dreams', such as they are, aren't coincident in time. I get the other person's thoughts in my dreams, or vice verse, and its often not stuff that could be guessed or reconstructed from external experience. The two people don't have to be dreaming at the same time though.
DarkMatters, if you want to try to share something in a dream, I'm open to that. I can't do stuff like "how many fingers am I holding up". If you want to try to share something like who you are, what your deepest aspiration or life problem is, that's probably easiest. One way you could do this by forming some philosophical question that you're strongly interested in. Then the images that illustrate this in the dream often construct it out of more mundane facts from your life that can be verified. The only requirement, as far as I know, is openness in relation to me. I'm not in control of this though, either it will work or it won't, and I can't predict the form it will take, which one of us will get a dream. The dream will probably either be tonight or last night. I know it sounds weird for it to be last night, but the desire to try this, if there is one, was probably already pushing its way to the surface by then, and it tends to get into the dreams first before it gets to physical events like typing stuff on the internet.
I've only succeeded in doing this with one person on DreamViews, and it wasn't even intentional, it was a side effect of a conversation we had. I've failed with a handful of other people. I haven't had many of these kinds of dreams for the last year or so, but I don't think its because I can't do it anymore, I think its because I've kind of withdrawn into a shell a bit and given up trying to reach out to people.
The experiment may be confused by the desires and thoughts about it that other people have, but we can't control that very well. Those other elements can either make it easier or harder. This lack of control is of course what makes it hard to deal with 'scientifically', along with the lack of a conceivable mechanism. But there were many things which for other reasons were impossible to study a few hundred years ago that are easily studied now. This is just another kind of challenge. And maybe sometimes its better not to push to hard to solve some challenges too soon. Physics is an example of this. It gave us the internet, but also nuclear weapons. The internet is another good example. Its a wonderful medium for communication, but companies like Google are getting control over it in ways that are going to look very ugly in a few more years. I don't think that radically more widespread awareness of the shared nature of identity, and understanding how it works, would necessarily be a good thing. I don't see the harm in sincere and earnest proving it for themselves though.
I don't have any confidence that it would work if we try to make it happen.
What I think was a shared dream between me and luciddreamsavy was totally spontaneous, and thinking about it now, I suspect it might have been because we were both thinking intensely about the same thing - the story she's writing. I had just volunteered myself to be a character in it, which was kind of exciting but also a little scary. But I was super hyped about it, and I suspect that attitude had the most to do with it. The dreams didn't seem to have anything to do with the story... or wait, maybe they DID...
I just realized - the DC I saw that corresponded to lds in my dream was a hottie, and that's about all I know about her character in the story - and the DC she saw corresponding to me was an old midget. About the only thing I had told her about myself was my age (yes, I'm fairly - well seasoned!) Interesting - I hadn't even noticed that before.
My dream in a nutshell:
I was at a party taking place in a large cabin or house, I was opening the door and letting people in. At one point in the dream I was looking at a group of people including another attractive girl and an older man who looked just like her, and I thought "they must be a family". Then I was around behind the house with some people and suddenly noticed a strikingly attractive young woman in a totally see-through top. I now wonder if the see-through top wasn't the dream's way of drawing my attention strongly to that particular DC (because it represented an actual dreamer rather than just a standard DC). A moment later she was just gone and I asked the guy next to me if he had seen her and where she had gone. That made me become lucid just for a second, and then I woke up.
LDS' dream:
In her dream, which I saw in her DJ after typing mine up, she was at a party in a house or big apartment and she said it had something to do with family but she wasn't sure what exactly. She was lucid and wanted to go outside and fly, and there was an old midget who wanted to go with her and see how she did it or something. I now wonder if the character being a midget might have been the dream's way of drawing her attention to him as someone different from the standard DCs? Anyway, she forgot about the old midget and flew off to do lucid things.
There are several areas of overlap - party at some kind of house that had something to do with family (with the idea of family being emphasised in some way - in mine by a separate dream bonus clip with me looking at a family and realizing that's what they were, and for her with just the idea of family being in her head). Both deams then moved outside where the two characters were together momentarily. Then her character was gone in both dreams. Also both dreams included lucidity, and I told her that I thought I might have piggybacked off her lucidity and in fact maybe that's why my character had wanted to watch how she flew - maybe I was hoping her lucidity could help me become lucid. And then immediatley after her disappearance from my dream I did go lucid. That's a lot of coincidences if you ask me. I mean, it could just have been purely random, but it's enough to make me think it really was a shared dream.
I don't like the idea of trying to make it happen - I really do think it requires that both people be thinking strongly about the same thing, and possibly about each other - and I think their enthusiasm for the subject needs to be strong and real. So, as much as I appreciate your offer, I don't really care to try it (probably also because I'm a very private person and don't like the idea of letting people into my head... cue James Dean "GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!") :lol:
My sister and I used to do it when we were kids. It wasn't anything we chose to do, it just happened. There's one dream we were even convinced was a memory, it was only when we asked our brother about it that we realized it hadn't happened.
There was another where we both dreamed that two tall men in trench coats sneaked into our room and put me in the laundry basket at the foot of my bed. o.O
There were several dreams about a mansion and an evil witch. Then there was one dream where we just brushed the edges of each others dreams. We both are visiting a white plantation house. We both walk into a small dark bathroom. All we can see is the mirror over the sink. When I look into the mirror I see a woman with blue eyes and red-gold hair wearing an elaborate dress. When my sister looks into the mirror she sees a small dark haired woman in leather armor. (We thought it was funny how we each saw what the other one expected to see, she's more girly than I am. She has blonde hair and blue eyes, I have brown hair and green eyes, she's also like 5 inches taller than me.) Later I'm walking past a room with the door cracked open, there's a large bed. I can see a girl inside who turns into a black cat and lays on the bed.
My sister goes into a bedroom because she sees a girl she knew from middle school going inside. The girl turns into a black cat and lays down on the bed.
There's a tunnel full of doors beneath the house. I find an open door, there's a room full of frogs with a pond in the middle.
She's walking down a tunnel full of doors. There's one cracked open, the interior is full of frogs in a pond. She spends the rest of the dream trying to catch frogs.
It hasn't happened since. Guess we grew apart that way.
Also, Darkmatters, your banner creeps me the hell out. Just thought you should know! ;)