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      Quote Originally Posted by Katsuno View Post
      The attitude for this should be "I'm going to believe that it's true until somebody proves me wrong" and not "I'm not going to believe in it until somebody proves me wrong". With the latter one you can only fail.
      I belive you got that backwards. It is not anyone's job to prove someone is wrong, the bruden of proof lies with the claimer.
      For instance, if I claimed I was a God, it would not be your job to prove I wasn't a God, it would be my job to prove I am a God.
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      Quote Originally Posted by TranquilityTrip View Post
      I belive you got that backwards. It is not anyone's job to prove someone is wrong, the bruden of proof lies with the claimer.
      For instance, if I claimed I was a God, it would not be your job to prove I wasn't a God, it would be my job to prove I am a God.
      Actually I understand his point. And he said "with this" which I'll assume pertains to dreaming and with dreaming believing is achieving so if you choose not to believe you choose not to achieve. And it's pretty much that simple. With your case it's different, whether or not you choose to believe you're God, in that situation you would still be God.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lmrhone View Post
      Actually I understand his point. And he said "with this" which I'll assume pertains to dreaming and with dreaming believing is achieving so if you choose not to believe you choose not to achieve. And it's pretty much that simple. With your case it's different, whether or not you choose to believe you're God, in that situation you would still be God.
      No one has even proven shared dreaming exists, let alone the parameters that must be met to attain it, in a way you're putting the cart before the horse. How would anyone know that's how it works?
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      Quote Originally Posted by TranquilityTrip View Post
      I do not mean to offend anyone, but why can't coincidences simply be coincedences?
      If it happens once, in some minor way, then you can blow it off as a coincidence. If it happens to you a lot, in a major, often objectively verifiable way, then it becomes ridiculous to pretend its a coincidence. And suppose it does still seem absurd to you. If its a part of your life, its still a part of your life, even if you don't have a model that explains how it works.

      And not believing it because a scientist hasn't found a way to fund a study and publish convincing results is not very reasonable either. Lots of things aren't easy to control in a lab setting. If you had been a lucid dreamer before it was accepted scientifically, would you have dismissed your own experiences as unreal? When I was a kid I learned from ostensibly 'scientific' sources that people dreamed in black and white. It didn't make me doubt that my dreams were in color.

      I agree its reasonable for you to decline to believe in shared dreaming if the people who claim to experience it seem to you to be generally neurotic and generally untrustworthy. And its reasonable to guess that its probably unreal on that basis. I think it would be arrogant and ignorant to actively disbelieve in it though, when you don't really know very much about it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by TranquilityTrip View Post
      No one has even proven shared dreaming exists, let alone the parameters that must be met to attain it, in a way you're putting the cart before the horse. How would anyone know that's how it works?
      Hahaha I didn't mean shared dreaming I meant lucid dreaming. When I said with dreaming I didn't specify enough that's my fault, I apologize. But if I did mean shared dreaming your post would be perfectly valid.

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      While I have no experience of dream sharing, what I have had is my deceased father visiting me in a dream. If that is anything to go by then I do believe it is possible. When my father visited in my dream it became vividly lucid and the first thing I asked him is how do I know you are really here. The reason I asked him that was because he didn't feel like part of my dream. He gave me enough proof to fairly convince me that I had really had a visitation from him. So I can imagine that a shared dream might feel the same way if someone is visiting you in your dream.

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