Thread: are dreams proven to be created my the brain?

Mainstream science would say that it's proven. Where do you think they come from?

Originally Posted by Azubiu

Mainstream science would say that it's proven. Where do you think they come from?

i dont know, its just i heard somewere that it is proven that the brain is involved in dreaming, but its not actualy proven that they are created by the brain. but im not sure if thats true or not, so thats why i asked.

What exactly lead to you to believe that it could be created by something else?

Originally Posted by snoop

What exactly lead to you to believe that it could be created by something else?

well i acctualy didnt say that, like i said before i heard that it is proven that the brain is involved but not that it creates them. so it could just be involved in percieving them.
and lots of people acctualy believe that they are created by something else, or that they are real and our brain is either recieving them or projecting us into them.

I don't think we have the means or technology to definitively prove any answer to this question. There's an interesting theory that dreams are created by the pineal gland releasing endogenous dimethyltryptamine during REM sleep, but it's just a theory.

Originally Posted by dankoni

I don't think we have the means or technology to definitively prove any answer to this question. There's an interesting theory that dreams are created by the pineal gland releasing endogenous dimethyltryptamine during REM sleep, but it's just a theory.

yea i have read dmt the spirit molecule, but even if dreams were caused by a dmt release from the pineal gland that doesnt prove they are not real. alot of people who smoke dmt or drink ayahuasca think what they see is real. like another realm or dimension or something. kinda like astral projection

The most obvious assumption to make is that dream are the result of our brain filtering through memories assessing wether they should be stored or not. In the dream the brain goes over everything it learned through the day and skips through some old memories to see if they are still any use. However lucid dreams may indicate that it is much more than that. The fact that we can become conscious quite easily while dreaming could show that dream are meant as a rehearsal playground where we can rehearse and try out different situations and things. Both of these would indicate that dreams are created purely by the brain for a survival purpose. There is no evidence or signs to indicate that we are talking in any external information to make up dreams.
I wouldn't completely outrule that something else might be goin on but it is peculiar how no other functions of dreams have ever been found.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

The most obvious assumption to make is that dream are the result of our brain filtering through memories assessing wether they should be stored or not. In the dream the brain goes over everything it learned through the day and skips through some old memories to see if they are still any use. However lucid dreams may indicate that it is much more than that. The fact that we can become conscious quite easily while dreaming could show that dream are meant as a rehearsal playground where we can rehearse and try out different situations and things. Both of these would indicate that dreams are created purely by the brain for a survival purpose. There is no evidence or signs to indicate that we are talking in any external information to make up dreams.
I wouldn't completely outrule that something else might be goin on but it is peculiar how no other functions of dreams have ever been found.

i dissagree that "There is no evidence or signs to indicate that we are talking in any external information to make up dreams"
i personaly dont have any but lots of people claim to have experiences such as psychic dreams, shared dreams and dreams that tell the future.

Originally Posted by Qwer

i dissagree that "There is no evidence or signs to indicate that we are talking in any external information to make up dreams"
i personaly dont have any but lots of people claim to have experiences such as psychic dreams, shared dreams and dreams that tell the future.

I know thats why I didn't outrule the fact that it might be possible. But from a scientific stand point it has never been shown in a public peer reviewed study and there has never been any signs that show that an observable energy is passing in or out of the brain. As far as science goes it is easier to believe it as fact than just assuming it as a possibility.
The answer to your origanal question is off course that we assume we know and not that it is fully proven but there is not that much to disprove it to make us assume anything else.

Originally Posted by Qwer

are dreams proven to be creadted by the brain or do people just generaly assume that?

No, that is complete nonsense. They are definitely not created by the brain, but there are several theories on this matter:

1.) They are being created by beings from the astral plane.
2.) They are being created by extraterrestrial entities sending us messages while we sleep.
3.) They are being created by dream guides, which are also otherworldly creatures.

Not sure which one of the these theories is true, but rest assured they are definitely not created by our brain. Only a fool would believe something like that.

They are created by evil jinns

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

there has never been any signs that show that an observable energy is passing in or out of the brain.

Seriously, now, great topic. Um, a silly question: how are the observations done - detecting brain activity in different areas..?

Originally Posted by wandering

They are created by evil jinns


Seriously, now, great topic. Um, a silly question: how are the observations done - detecting brain activity in different areas..?

What do you mean, how are brains scanned in general or how are we meant to detect signals being sent from the brain?

Originally Posted by Gills

No, that is complete nonsense. They are definitely not created by the brain, but there are several theories on this matter:

1.) They are being created by beings from the astral plane.
2.) They are being created by extraterrestrial entities sending us messages while we sleep.
3.) They are being created by dream guides, which are also otherworldly creatures.

Not sure which one of the these theories is true, but rest assured they are definitely not created by our brain. Only a fool would believe something like that.

It is because of people like you who make me not want to view the beyond dreaming section. You assume instead of speculate questions like this.
Since there is no scientific evidence on this, the best thing we can do, is go with the more logical explain that dreams are of the mind, and are pretty much 100% formless(no definite shape, as in no countries, etc), and 100% in your mind.
However, I am open to the belief that dreams can be a shared experience between one or more people. It makes no scientific sense, and makes no logical sense, but a few people have reported it as happening. How else can it be explained? In my opinion OBE/RV/AP all sound like forms lucid dreams, though I may be wrong, many of the experiences sound the same. A shared dream however..Two minds generating the same dream, with the same things happening? There has to be some sort of mental connection, it can't be mere coincidence.

Originally Posted by TehDalek

It is because of people like you who make me not want to view the beyond dreaming section.

Gills' post was so ridiculous, I assumed it was a troll. If it was 100% genuine, then it's utter nonsense. Like you, I of course believe any of the theories he posted could be true, but they certainly aren't the only possibilities.

Originally Posted by TehDalek

It is because of people like you who make me not want to view the beyond dreaming section. You assume instead of speculate questions like this.
Since there is no scientific evidence on this, the best thing we can do, is go with the more logical explain that dreams are of the mind, and are pretty much 100% formless(no definite shape, as in no countries, etc), and 100% in your mind.
However, I am open to the belief that dreams can be a shared experience between one or more people. It makes no scientific sense, and makes no logical sense, but a few people have reported it as happening. How else can it be explained? In my opinion OBE/RV/AP all sound like forms lucid dreams, though I may be wrong, many of the experiences sound the same. A shared dream however..Two minds generating the same dream, with the same things happening? There has to be some sort of mental connection, it can't be mere coincidence.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

Originally Posted by snoop

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

Unfortunately sarcasm is not easily portrayed in the beyond dreaming section of DV.

Originally Posted by TehDalek

It is because of people like you who make me not want to view the beyond dreaming section. You assume instead of speculate questions like this.
Since there is no scientific evidence on this, the best thing we can do, is go with the more logical explain that dreams are of the mind, and are pretty much 100% formless(no definite shape, as in no countries, etc), and 100% in your mind.

LOL! You can't tell sarcasm when it stares you right in the face. Of course I was being sarcasting. Take a look at my other posts in Beyond Dreaming.

However, I am open to the belief that dreams can be a shared experience between one or more people. It makes no scientific sense, and makes no logical sense, but a few people have reported it as happening. How else can it be explained?

We don't know if it ever happened to anyone. "Some people reported it as happening" is certainly not worth much.

In my opinion OBE/RV/AP all sound like forms lucid dreams, though I may be wrong, many of the experiences sound the same. A shared dream however..Two minds generating the same dream, with the same things happening? There has to be some sort of mental connection, it can't be mere coincidence.

If it exists, then of course, it's not a coincidence.

For more on this topic, read this thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/shared...debate-120211/

It's long, but if you read it little by little from page 1 until the end, you will learn alot.