Thread: Dreamworld=Spiritworld

Entry level, lol! Life is not a game nor a competition. If it were, i'd say you've still not realized the big secret.

Not sure, PsychMaster: I'd say that it is where we are receptive to receiving information - like visitations and also where we can explore without the nasty censor telling us, "you can't do that!" Because in dreams, anything is possible and so we silence our censor. I am hoping that my experiences have been what they seemed to be - travel to the astral world, comfort from my loved ones that have crossed over, and an affirmation that we are spirits inhabiting a physical form. But that's just a guess...

Nope. There is something called summer land though. It's where you live out your fantasies and dreams before you move on to the higher planes. I've only seen the sub planes for brief second. They are really scary. I seen The Astral 1 time. It was freaking Awesome. That exp. only lasted for a second as well.

PsychMasters:

It seems a stretch to me to find anyone who knows that the dreamworld is where people retire after death, given that the only avenue for personal proof, knowing, is dying.

Maybe you'd rather chat with people who want to believe this, or want to hear your reasons for believing that DreamWorld = SpiritWorld, or even feel this is not the case and need to be convinced. Seems to me that only talking to people who know a thing leads to boring, and fairly unenlightening conversation...

Hmm. You can actually know that the Dreamworld is where the dead reside if you think about it long enough. The mechanics of how the Dreamworld operates is actually the proof. The benefit of talking to people who know this is that I wouldn't have to waste time bringing them up to speed. There's work to be done.

i believe you are right, i actually asked someone while in the astral <i say astral cause this person i was talking to was showing signs of real intelligence and not talking gibberish> i asked her if this is where i come when i die, she just shook her head in a yes motion, was quite excited after that eternity dreaming yes please!

Originally Posted by PsychMasters

Hmm. You can actually know that the Dreamworld is where the dead reside if you think about it long enough. The mechanics of how the Dreamworld operates is actually the proof. The benefit of talking to people who know this is that I wouldn't have to waste time bringing them up to speed. There's work to be done.

Wow! Sorry to bring this to you, but you may be on the wrong website. I think the web where all-knowning gods can talk to each other without distraction of people like us, who are just looking to learn something new and share experiences, is someplace else. But me, being not as evolved as a god, I'm not privy to that address.

But the Dreamworld you speak of sounds interesting. Is it something like Waterworld?

Well, in case you decide we are worthy of your time, I'm very much interested in the place where I'll end up after my tour on this Earth is over and I believe, that a place like that exists. I hope that my post doesn't offend you and I'm not banned from there. Happy dreams

Originally Posted by PsychMasters

Hmm. You can actually know that the Dreamworld is where the dead reside if you think about it long enough. The mechanics of how the Dreamworld operates is actually the proof. The benefit of talking to people who know this is that I wouldn't have to waste time bringing them up to speed. There's work to be done.

Hmm. I'm not actually sure you can confirm the reality of something simply by giving it a lot of thought, but I think I understand where you're coming from.

I'm still not quite sure, though, how any "work" gets done in an echo chamber, but good luck to you. And, as Gab notes above, should you decide to share with us non-knowing but still curious dream-folk your thoughts about this interesting topic, including this dreamworld about whose mechanics you are apparently familiar (perhaps also by thinking lots about it), I'd love to read them, even if my non-qualified opinions are not welcome here...please do continue!

You know, this actually is the only place on the internet I can frequent in order to recruit people to help me fix all the problems with the system of existence.

Originally Posted by PsychMasters

You know, this actually is the only place on the internet I can frequent in order to recruit people to help me fix all the problems with the system of existence.

If you plan to recruit people whom you tell what to think and what to believe, well, good luck with that, but don't count on me. BTW, which cult are you recruiting for?

Too bad though, because topic is very interesting to me and I bet for many of us. Happy dreams

Originally Posted by PsychMasters

Hmm. You can actually know that the Dreamworld is where the dead reside if you think about it long enough. The mechanics of how the Dreamworld operates is actually the proof. The benefit of talking to people who know this is that I wouldn't have to waste time bringing them up to speed. There's work to be done.

You don't understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother.

How about spend less time explaining how something has been proven and more time figuring out how to explain it? I've heard this a lot, including on the youtube channel Spirit Science and from the likes of David Wilcock. I have researched this concept rather extensively but I have yet to hear people do more than simply assume one must be the other. I'd like to hear someone actually explain how this is so, if only once.

Originally Posted by PsychMasters

You know, this actually is the only place on the internet I can frequent in order to recruit people to help me fix all the problems with the system of existence.

Gosh. You'd think someone with the chops to fix all the problems with the system of existence (whatever that is) would be using tools a bit more esoteric than Internet recruitment...

Sorry, Psychmasters, your OP made this sound like it was going to be a very interesting and worthwhile thread, but it doesn't seem like it's amounting to much. If you care to talk about what you actually know about Dreamworld=Spiritworld, feel free. But if you're only looking to proselytize, this might not be the place for you. We want to learn about the potentials of dreaming and LD'ing here, not worship. At least I do.

If not, good luck fixing that existence system!

Excellent. This is exactly what I want, actually.
Omnis Dei, the mechanics of the Dreamworld and Dreams are very similar to that of a video game. If you dream that you are in a classroom filled with students, about to take an exam that you aren't prepared for, the classroom needed to be designed and build, the students needed to be cast and costumed, the setting outside the window needed to be designated and build, and the lighting and temperature of the environment needed to be designed and generated. The other people in the dream are motivated by independent consciousnesses, all acting independently from one another. They aren't mannequins or automatons, they are beings... spirits. The whole experience is conceived and executed by consciousnesses separate from your own... a dream team. A person's dream team is most commonly made up of a collection of their dead relatives, initially. These people are pacing you... having fun with you while not giving anything away... monitoring your progress and pretending to be dream people... figments of your memory, made flesh by the magic of dreams... but they are formerly alive people. Most people do not realize this immediately, as they are conditioned to believe that their dreams are just a weird phenomenon caused by chemicals in their brains. It's all "Fallacy of a Finite Existence" propaganda.

Sageous, one of the problems I'm remedying is that everyone was following this archaic protocol of not revealing "The Secret." The forces trying to prevent the secret from getting out were considered to be impossible to defeat, sending many to their graves and silencing the rest with mind control until their natural deaths, wherein they would take the secret with them. However, I defeated them and the secret is out. The esoteric phase of the work I'm doing is complete. I have been working with people in the Dreamworld for seven years and it is now time to get people in this realm of existence involved. Ironically, the internet is where it is all happening. The veil of secrecy is lifting and people are going to be lucid dreaming every time they sleep. It will be like an MMORPG that everyone will be "playing." All of the religions of the world will die away and everyone will share a Master Ideology.

Gab, I am not recruiting for a cult. I am recruiting people who can understand how things are to begin a community of Master Ideology maintainers. "...what to think and what to believe..." The things I am telling people are things that can be found to be correct by a process of logic analysis.

Explain to me what led you to believe that the characters in your dream are separate consciousnesses which used to be people. Or if I have misinterpreted then please elaborate more specifically on what you believe DCs are.

PsychMasters:

Though I'm probably more interested in your answer to Omnis Dei's question above, and hope that you address it, I'm obliged to ask:

Originally Posted by PsychMasters

Sageous, one of the problems I'm remedying is that everyone was following this archaic protocol of not revealing "The Secret." The forces trying to prevent the secret from getting out were considered to be impossible to defeat, sending many to their graves and silencing the rest with mind control until their natural deaths, wherein they would take the secret with them. However, I defeated them and the secret is out. The esoteric phase of the work I'm doing is complete. I have been working with people in the Dreamworld for seven years and it is now time to get people in this realm of existence involved. Ironically, the internet is where it is all happening. The veil of secrecy is lifting and people are going to be lucid dreaming every time they sleep. It will be like an MMORPG that everyone will be "playing." All of the religions of the world will die away and everyone will share a Master Ideology.

What is "the Secret," then? If it's out I must already know it, right? Please share, since you profess that you already had.

Thanks for staying with us, BTW!

Originally Posted by PsychMasters

Excellent. This is exactly what I want, actually.
Omnis Dei, the mechanics of the Dreamworld and Dreams are very similar to that of a video game. If you dream that you are in a classroom filled with students, about to take an exam that you aren't prepared for, the classroom needed to be designed and build, the students needed to be cast and costumed, the setting outside the window needed to be designated and build, and the lighting and temperature of the environment needed to be designed and generated. The other people in the dream are motivated by independent consciousnesses, all acting independently from one another. They aren't mannequins or automatons, they are beings... spirits. The whole experience is conceived and executed by consciousnesses separate from your own... a dream team. A person's dream team is most commonly made up of a collection of their dead relatives, initially. These people are pacing you... having fun with you while not giving anything away... monitoring your progress and pretending to be dream people... figments of your memory, made flesh by the magic of dreams... but they are formerly alive people. Most people do not realize this immediately, as they are conditioned to believe that their dreams are just a weird phenomenon caused by chemicals in their brains. It's all "Fallacy of a Finite Existence" propaganda.

Sageous, one of the problems I'm remedying is that everyone was following this archaic protocol of not revealing "The Secret." The forces trying to prevent the secret from getting out were considered to be impossible to defeat, sending many to their graves and silencing the rest with mind control until their natural deaths, wherein they would take the secret with them. However, I defeated them and the secret is out. The esoteric phase of the work I'm doing is complete. I have been working with people in the Dreamworld for seven years and it is now time to get people in this realm of existence involved. Ironically, the internet is where it is all happening. The veil of secrecy is lifting and people are going to be lucid dreaming every time they sleep. It will be like an MMORPG that everyone will be "playing." All of the religions of the world will die away and everyone will share a Master Ideology.

I think you are highly underestimating the expansive and profound power of our own minds. Our ancestors collective lives are what push us through the world, true... but they aren't separate from our own consciousness. They are the evolutionary force inside of our own bodies.

This 'realm of existence' is also a dreamworld where people that die end up. I wouldn't believe anything you see, hear, feel, or think just because it seems logical. We are dealing with an unreasonable nature that defies all human concepts here. Don't ever assume that anything is seperate from you, appearances can and do deceive.

Seems like you play too many video games...

Originally Posted by acillis

i believe you are right, i actually asked someone while in the astral <i say astral cause this person i was talking to was showing signs of real intelligence and not talking gibberish> i asked her if this is where i come when i die, she just shook her head in a yes motion, was quite excited after that eternity dreaming yes please!

You know guys, this isn't really that unbelievable...but I think its more of a ''seeing is believing'' kinda thing.

There is no harm in just exploring and seeing what's out there. Acillis has obviously had an experience... and I for one would like to have a go myself. As for people telling you what to believe....no one is making you believe it, all I'm saying is maybe its more fool you if you don't at least learn to accept or take on board other peoples views and opinions or at least give them a go. I mean no one is forcing you, if you don't like it or you don't feel like you are getting anywhere then simply stop and go back to whatever it is you believe in deep down.

I have often seen my relatives in my dream...and it was through a dream that made me to go and look at what my ancestry was. I found out that I was descended from a daughter of a chief in a Native American Tribe, called the Yaoto Tribe. I do believe that we do enter the spirit world when we dream and I think its something that a lot of people are too scared to try or even admit. It is something that needs to be explored and why not??

But hey, everyone believes what they believe, no one is forced to believe anything they don't want to...but all I'm saying is there is no harm in jumping into the rabbit hole and seeing where it goes, you can always come out the other side.


Spirit

All true, Spirit.

But I think you might have missed the focus of the "negativity" here. It wasn't on believing, but rather on our reaction to PsychMaster's amazing inability to support his otherwise interesting OP, save to throw lots of self-important hyperbole at it. The idea of Dreamworld = Spiritworld was barely discussed, much less disparaged.

Believing is a fine thing, and the core of all great exploration; taking a guy who is literally equating the worlds of dream and death to a video game is not such a fine thing. BTW, PsychMasters did start another thread after this one bombed where he more clearly stated that he was really designing a video game or some such...

Originally Posted by PsychMasters

Sageous, one of the problems I'm remedying is that everyone was following this archaic protocol of not revealing "The Secret." The forces trying to prevent the secret from getting out were considered to be impossible to defeat, sending many to their graves and silencing the rest with mind control until their natural deaths, wherein they would take the secret with them. However, I defeated them and the secret is out. The esoteric phase of the work I'm doing is complete. I have been working with people in the Dreamworld for seven years and it is now time to get people in this realm of existence involved. Ironically, the internet is where it is all happening. The veil of secrecy is lifting and people are going to be lucid dreaming every time they sleep. It will be like an MMORPG that everyone will be "playing." All of the religions of the world will die away and everyone will share a Master Ideology.

As I experience it, external events and internal mental activities are both in some sense projections or representations of a 'spirit world'. Equating 'the dream world' and 'the spirit world' makes an approximate kind of sense, though the implied exclusion of other kinds of imagery besides dream imagery is misleading. By declaring that other people who don't think about this the same way that you do aren't worth your time, you display what seems to be a remarkable combination of arrogance and ignorance.

When you say "I defeated them and the secret is out", do you understand the nature of the 'I' that you speak for? That 'I' is an insincere, pompous ass, or you are, and you're misrepresenting your relationship to it.

If you want to change your approach and talk to us like fellow human beings, we might learn something from you, and you might learn something from us. Otherwise, take your Master Ideology and go....there really isn't anything polite I can say here that would be fitting.

Originally Posted by PsychMasters

Spent a few hours in the IRC chat... everyone in there was at the entry level. I'm looking for people who know that the dreamworld is where all the people who die wind up. Anyone?

Hello brother,
Accidently u are right. According to my religious book there is a Plane in between Earth and heaven,hell. This plane exists in middle of earth and heaven,hell. Where souls resides after death for a period of time till day of Judgement. After which souls come again in their bodies at day of judgement. This plane is based on your deeds. Example if u murder someone in this world. When u die sadness will surrounds your soul and and u will be punished according to your deeds. Whereas if a good persons dies his soul go to good section of that middle plane and there soul meets some people who have died before. Why this middle world is close to dream the simple answer is that when u are sad or feeling bad and u sleep u will see bad dreams where u find more sadness similarly if u are happy and sleep in happiness u will see good dreams. As far as heaven or hell is concerned heaven is a place where which ever thing u desire it will come to you and all good feeling of happiness and joy will come. Hell is a place where sadness,Pain and sorrow and all bad feeling and worse things will happen. To those people who say that this physical world is reality this physical world is nothing more then a fiction. Its in nature of reality that reality exists forever if we are in reality then why someday this world and all its thing will pass into non-existent? True ultimate reality is one supreme deity forever present and all powerful we are souls created by that supreme deity and we know this supreme deity as God. If u observe spirituality more closely then u will find that this world first exist in spirit realm and all its past, present and future. The things first came into being in spirit world and then they become physical and then pass into non existent according the law of God. So observe your own self we know that there is a soul in us which actually see and move without it our physical bodies nothing more then cloths. So observe first your soul move its hand then your physical body follow the action of soul. From this example its clear everything that is present in this world come from spirit world. When all your physical senses die your soul automatically start to move greater then the speed of light thats why everything in dream every scene changes so fast. From all of this its legal to say our homeland is spirit world and this world is temporary and fiction for which we waste our life.
But sorry u can,t compare spirit world to game world game world has nothing to do with spirit world or spirituality.

Originally Posted by gab

If you plan to recruit people whom you tell what to think and what to believe, well, good luck with that, but don't count on me. BTW, which cult are you recruiting for?

Too bad though, because topic is very interesting to me and I bet for many of us. Happy dreams

Also known as a cult XD