Thread: PSI Abilities...I Think Not.

Disclaimer : I'm not trying to disrespect anybody here. Just at least read what I have to say without quickly dismissing it.

Here's what I think about all of these "PSI abilities", from what I read (and wasted a part of my life) on yesterday :

a) I'll just start off by saying that I do believe in lucid dreaming, because it's science, and you're asleep, and it's your imagination. I imagine it would still feel cool though, which is why I try to become lucid and keep a small journal. I DO NOT let lucid dreaming get in the way of reality though.

B) Now for a general statement about all of these magical things : it's bull. I do not know how all of you guys think that you actually can suck energy from the earth or sun and do things with it. It's just not possible, it's all in your head.

c) PSI balls? In your imagination. I wasted about 10 minutes of my life trying to make one, and I actually believed in it for that 10 minutes, and pictured myself "sucking" in energy from the sun, and then the earth. Well guess what, I saw nothing but air between my hands. People that think they see these things, it's in their head.

d) Astral projections? It's all in your head. You can imagine that you seperate yourself from your body, but it's just all your imagination. Why do you think people are confined to mental institutes? It's because their brain is telling them things that make them believe things that are not normal.

e) Force fields? Ok, make a force field, and I'll come over and punch you in the face. We'll see how that works.

f) I went to PSIprog.net and read some of the articles, it's all just bull and I actually laughed at it. They say, "yes, you can create energy balls and use psychic powers to tell what number the dice will land on, but you're not going to do it every time". IT'S ALL PROBABILITY. If you say "the dice will land on 3" and it happens, that's because you had a 1/6 chance of doing it, and you actually hit that chance.

g) Just to have some fun, I tried the deck of cards thing. I took the ace of spades, and shuffled it in the deck. I removed 6 cards, shuffled some more, removed 6 cards, etc. I got down to about 10 cards until I hit the ace. I must have powers! Not. It's so funny how they say "yes, use the power to move this tiny shard of paper." Do you know how minute of a disturbance it takes to get a ultra-thin piece of paper to move? And you think your mind did that?

h) PSIprog also uses backup that makes it completely evident that they do not know what the hell they are talking about. They say, "sure, you may say this is impossible and the laws of physics prevent it, but what about time travel? People believe time travel exists, but that's not in physics..." Ok good statement, it's too bad that the laws of physics do not prevent time travel or negate it, but the laws to deny psychic powers, sorry.

i) Hmm, if these telekinetic powers are real, then why hasn't anybody gotten really good at it and taken over the word? I'm sure that of the thousands of people that waste their lives, at least a few of them should be so good at it that they can kill people with their PSI balls or mind power.

j) Please try and think about what you're doing, because it's just going to create a big waste of time for you. Start worrying about reality, not about spending your entire life "seperated in your spritual body in space", reality is what matters.

k) If you choose to not listen to a word I say, well at least you can have fun with yourself for the rest of your life. When everybody labels you a psycho and ridicules you, you can just go live in an astral projection or something like that, at least you'll be at peace with yourself.


Just my thoughts...

Yeah, some of the abilities may not exist, but I know that LDing, S**-***, being a 'guess wizard', & playing telephone are all possible, b/c Michelle & I do them all the time (in fact, Michelle was at a lottery, her mom was going to pick a lottery #, she told her mom to pick another certain number, & they win $1 mil). I am still in training, though...b/c I can only score high on Card Concentration (1:5) & Classic Skating Lotteries (1:20) ....
S**-*** can be real if you are reading open books!!

I totaly agree.

However, telepathy is real.

I tried animal telepathy once, and it worked. Freaked me out. I got my dog, and cat, to come to me, and I could tell I was 'contacting' them because they would look at me wide eyed, and do what i visualized in my head.

Hey, I got a random cat in the street to come up to me. My friend is my witness, to.

But the other stuff is bull.

This is why I think Christianity lables it as 'evil' so people will fear it, and not bother with it, and try to convince others to stop it, so that they will not have to waste their lives on this junk.

Lucid Dreaming, however, is perfectly possiable. It also makes sense logicly. You are asleep, dreaming. BOOM. Something happens, and you become self-aware, and aware you are dreaming. Since it is YOUR mind, you can minpulate it.

It all makes sense, really.

*puts up flame shield*

Originally posted by YamiAnaki
However, telepathy is real.

I tried animal telepathy once, and it worked. Freaked me out. I got my dog, and cat, to come to me, and I could tell I was 'contacting' them because they would look at me wide eyed, and do what i visualized in my head.

I don't believe that either. I would bet you $100 that if you sat my dog across the room, and I sat on the other side and looked at her, she would come running to me. Same goes with the cat on the street, it is lonely, and will go to anybody it sees.

No...the cat had an owner. It was out doing its own thing. My friend knew the cats owner, and she sees the cat in the owners house.

As for my dog....I was upstairs, and he was downstairs when it really worked. I said nothing, just pictured him next to me, and BAM. He walks up the stairs, and is sits next to me. I even got him to do all of his tricks, without actually asking him.

Telepathy = real (if you put your mind to it...no pun intended)

other PSI = bull

i'm with ya man. i don't think most of this stuff is real. Lucid Dreaming of course is. Telepathy might be real, to an extent. Like this stuff called....can't remember. anyways, it lets you kind see something that not really infront of you.Only reason i believe in that kind of stuff is cause the CIA was working on it and actually uses it. Then again, its realistic. they will tell you right off the bat that its not some kind of great power. There a bunch of steps you have to follow and a bunch of limitations. Reason the CIA does it is cause in one of the wars (can't remember which. i think desert storm or nam) a genera; was captured and they found his location using this technique.

stuff like astrial projection.....no... and not just cause i'm a christian. i found this one site that showed a dude who practiced rel martial arts fight a guy who practiced this fake crap. the dude said he could shoot energy balls and al. so the real martial artist dude video taped it and the other guy coldn't do anything. then the real one fought him in a match and kicked the ever loving crap out of the fake dude lol

Dear Hepenneypacker,

do you suppose one afternoon is sufficient time to dismiss all of that.

Yes, the Freemason societies and the forces of Atheism, behind the guise of science have made Skepticism very respectable, but until they burn down the libraries, there is plenty of Documented Evidence for all sorts of Miracles. the Catholics have kept the best records, but the Hindus, Sufis, and Buddhists were also not above keeping notes.

But, yes, you do have a point that these powers are exceptionally rare these days. The last Big Saint was Padre Pio who died in 1968. The only Miracle Worker I know of who is alive at the present moment is Pralad Jani in India. there was a study done at the Sterling Hospital verifying that his claim to have gone without food and drink for 60 years could well be true (they observed him non-stop for 10 days and he lost no body weight and was not worse for wear having eaten or drank nothing for that time).

My own angels have come and told me that the World in now presently undergoing a Spiritual Drought. Spiritual Powers will return only after the People's of the Three Higher Religions (the People of the Three Mountains, in dream parlance) find their way to the Lake of Spiritual Water. I saw it in my dream, on a map. It was huge. It was just to the East of the most SouthEast of the three mountains.

Originally posted by Sinar
i'm with ya man. i don't think most of this stuff is real. Lucid Dreaming of course is. Telepathy might be real, to an extent. Like this stuff called....can't remember. anyways, it lets you kind see something that not really infront of you.Only reason i believe in that kind of stuff is cause the CIA was working on it and actually uses it. Then again, its realistic. they will tell you right off the bat that its not some kind of great power. There a bunch of steps you have to follow and a bunch of limitations. Reason the CIA does it is cause in one of the wars (can't remember which. i think desert storm or nam) a genera; was captured and they found his location using this technique.

stuff like astrial projection.....no... and not just cause i'm a christian. i found this one site that showed a dude who practiced rel martial arts fight a guy who practiced this fake crap. the dude said he could shoot energy balls and al. so the real martial artist dude video taped it and the other guy coldn't do anything. then the real one fought him in a match and kicked the ever loving crap out of the fake dude lol

If you're a christian, then why do you even believe in telepathy? All of that stuff is against the Bible.

its nothing to believe in .... it is real
Im Christian and I believe in telepathy, out of body experiences, Ive seen purple lightning perculate inbetween a womans fingers with my own eyes ...
Its just life to me i havent seen anything weird since i was 17 but I just live on and know whats going on around me

I think it's slightly questionable to say that this kind of stuff is impossible when by being on this forum alone, you are acknowledging that the mind has the power to create whole worlds under the right conditions. (Induced lucidity)

Originally Posted by furryrabbit

I think it's slightly questionable to say that this kind of stuff is impossible when by being on this forum alone, you are acknowledging that the mind has the power to create whole worlds under the right conditions. (Induced lucidity)

I agree with relating psi abilities to LD. Both happen only in your dreams.

Originally Posted by skysaw

I agree with relating psi abilities to LD. Both happen only in your dreams.

That is twisting my words, I was commenting on the power of the mind (I'm not saying that psi abilities are a reality, but I'm not ruling it out either).

wow.. i had to have been in a rush when i posted this topic...

i wish i would have elaborated the first time..

I still and will always believe in God i just came to say...

I saw that woman ... assistant principal of my school transfer purple lightning between all of her fingers like she was playing with power..

i was at a boarding school in Mississippi at the time but i know what i saw..
Im a music artist and producer and im big on common sense and keepin it real at all times...

hey im done with this post its old but very true.. since this old post ive done some learning and living ..... its still true..

Originally Posted by hepennypacker52

If you're a christian, then why do you even believe in telepathy? All of that stuff is against the Bible.

astral projecting is in the bible for your information

Originally Posted by hepennypacker52

If you're a christian, then why do you even believe in telepathy? All of that stuff is against the Bible.

I'm Christian and know the Bible quite well, and your statement is ignorant. Please don't spread ignorance.

Originally posted by Leo Volont

But, yes, you do have a point that these powers are exceptionally rare these days. The last Big Saint was Padre Pio who died in 1968. The only Miracle Worker I know of who is alive at the present moment is Pralad Jani in India. there was a study done at the Sterling Hospital verifying that his claim to have gone without food and drink for 60 years could well be true (they observed him non-stop for 10 days and he lost no body weight and was not worse for wear having eaten or drank nothing for that time).

Yes, he \"claimed\". Again, this is not physically possible.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
My own angels have come and told me that the World in now presently undergoing a Spiritual Drought. Spiritual Powers will return only after the People's of the Three Higher Religions (the People of the Three Mountains, in dream parlance) find their way to the Lake of Spiritual Water. I saw it in my dream, on a map. It was huge. It was just to the East of the most SouthEast of the three mountains.

Sure, you saw it in a dream, not in real life. You could see the map of Atlantis in a dream, doesn't mean it's real. "Spiritual powers" are not meant for humans, they are for God. And I assume that because you claim you have spoken to your angels, you must have some aspect of religion in you. Of course we're in Spritual Drought, we have people all the time killing innocent people because of their "religion". If people started looking for spirituality, they would also see that these PSI powers are against what they are trying to believe in.

Originally posted by Leo Volent
Dear Hepenneypacker,

do you suppose one afternoon is sufficient time to dismiss all of that.

Yes Hepenneypacker. I do not feel that because you have tried something for ten minutes that you gave it any justice what so ever.
You went into each thing you have tried not truely believing it is real. So why even try?
I certainly respect your choices. However, just as in waking life if you don't give something a chance it is unlikley to happen.
In addition to that if you had experianced any of these experiances you may be able to look at them from an entirley new and unabstructed vantage point.

Why are u so bloody shallow? I get pissed when you talk about telekinesis. There are videos to show it is true. There are quite a handful of people in dreamviews forum who practice telekinesis. Have you gone to http://www.ppsociety.com ? A whole forum on people who practice telekinesis. Even videos. Are you trying to tell us that all these members on the site are lying? Moving a tin foil or paper is easy. But it's extremely difficult to "take over the world" with it. One will need many many weeks, months or even years of practice before being able to just move a pencil. You should try it yourself. They dont "waste their lifes" doing these stuffs. They are interested in such things and therefore try practicing it themselves. It's their hobby. I mean, some people have a whole shelf of collectables, such as action figures, hello kitties and all those. Collecting stamps, stickers, bottle caps, etc. Are you trying to say these are all a waste of time??????

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Yes Hepenneypacker. I do not feel that because you have tried something for ten minutes that you gave it any justice what so ever.
You went into each thing you have tried not truely believing it is real. So why even try?
I certainly respect your choices. However, just as in waking life if you don't give something a chance it is unlikley to happen.
In addition to that if you had experianced any of these experiances you may be able to look at them from an entirley new and unabstructed vantage point.

I took more time on it than I even should have. Just please tell me how you can \"suck\" energy from the earth and make a ball of energy with it? How does this happen? You cannot simply create a ball of energy out of nothing. You guys are just hallucinating these things, you're just convincing yourself that you actually did move that piece of foil .00001mm, or you did make a little blue ball of energy.

Moving a tin foil or paper is easy. But it's extremely difficult to \"take over the world\" with it. One will need many many weeks, months or even years of practice before being able to just move a pencil.\"

Maybe that's because that the slightest imbalnce will get a piece of foil to move a little, but maybe, just maybe, the reason it may take a person days, months, or years, to move a pencil, is just because that these slight imbalances that will move a piece of foil are not great enough to move something with the mass of a pencil. When you get lucky and some outside force (air) does get the pencil to move, you get excited and think you moved it with your mind.

When I see people throwing objects and other people with their telekinetic powers, I'll believe it, trust me.

They dont \"waste their lifes\" doing these stuffs. They are interested in such things and therefore try practicing it themselves. It's their hobby. I mean, some people have a whole shelf of collectables, such as action figures, hello kitties and all those. Collecting stamps, stickers, bottle caps, etc. Are you trying to say these are all a waste of time??????

It's more than just a hobby to most people. This shit takes over their lives.

I'd rather have a stamp collection and have my friends say "yeah, that's pretty cool, kind of boring, but o.k.", then have them say "whacko...". Reality means something to me .

When you get lucky and some outside force (air) does get the pencil to move, you get excited and think you moved it with your mind.[/b]

Excuse me, for your information...we usually close our windows, doors, off the fan and cut out all wind sources. We breathe through our nose and not our mouth so that the wind moves downwards. Some people even cover their noses with cloth. We dont put out hands too close so heat will not affect the movement. When using a straw, we check whether there's static. And once ppl get a hand of the psi wheel movement, they are able to change it's direction, make it spin continuously...."air?"...i don't think it's some breeze or wind anymore huh!

I am currently starting an argument w/Splash on my miniforum....about psi abilities or whatever they are: http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/3272949932/show/417855

Originally posted by hepennypacker52


It's more than just a hobby to most people. This shit takes over their lives.


I'd rather have a stamp collection and have my friends say \"yeah, that's pretty cool, kind of boring, but o.k.\", then have them say \"whacko...\". Reality means something to me .

If you choose to not listen to a word I say, well at least you can have fun with yourself for the rest of your life. When everybody labels you a psycho and ridicules you, you can just go live in an astral projection or something like that, at least you'll be at peace with yourself.

I take everyone's perspective into account. So I have listened to what you have said.
I myself have difficulties believing in a lot of these abilities. But I will not allow the public view because it is in the majority to close my mind to anything. I don't want to be a sheep like the rest of the linier minded thinking individuals I often run into. I would rather be labled a physco and be able to think outside the little box that society has constructed for us all to believe than to be accepted.

To drop the egoes passion to be accpeted is a big step towards not being bothered by wether my friends think what I have is cool. To liberate yourself from the confines of other's judgment.
You want to speak of things taking over peoples lives. Well there you have it. It is acceptance. A pothetic vision people have in order to fit in with the masses.
And as far as waking life. Lucid dreaming has brought more awareness to my waking life than I ever could have imagined before hand.

Originally Posted by Howie

I take everyone's perspective into account. So I have listened to what you have said.
I myself have difficulties believing in a lot of these abilities. But I will not allow the public view because it is in the majority to close my mind to anything. I don't want to be a sheep like the rest of the linier minded thinking individuals I often run into. I would rather be labled a physco and be able to think outside the little box that society has constructed for us all to believe than to be accepted.

To drop the egoes passion to be accpeted is a big step towards not being bothered by wether my friends think what I have is cool. To liberate yourself from the confines of other's judgment.
You want to speak of things taking over peoples lives. Well there you have it. It is acceptance. A pothetic vision people have in order to fit in with the masses.
And as far as waking life. Lucid dreaming has brought more awareness to my waking life than I ever could have imagined before hand.

Wow, I could not have said it better myself, totaly sums up everything I feel about psi abilitys, only wish I would have relised this earlier, I like your philosophy about certain things, maybe I should read your posts sometime just for the fun of it.

I didn't read the entire thread, so forgive me if I'm butting in here.

mm, if these telekinetic powers are real, then why hasn't anybody gotten really good at it and taken over the word? I'm sure that of the thousands of people that waste their lives, at least a few of them should be so good at it that they can kill people with their PSI balls or mind power.[/b]

Perhaps because the ability is incredibly weak and useless, except for the occasional exception (eg. Ninel Kulagina)
So these people who spend their lives practicing struggle to barely move a pencil with it.

As for telepathy, I personally believe there may be something there, based on my shared dream experience.
There's an interesting book on it by a scientifically minded guy - Rupert Sheldrake -called 'The sense of being stared at'

He previously examined the records of people with animals that seemed telepathic, and then looked for the same records in humans. He has a lot to say on it.

I find it interesting that every 'claim' is considered equivalent to a lie. You see, that was what I was warning about when I perceived that this Page was turning into a Culture of Lies -- it becomes assumed that every assertion is a lie. yes, it is a very safe and conservative assumption, but if there were not so many liars cluttering up the World, then perhaps we could enjoy the luxury of pondering some 'claims' on the assumption that they may perhaps be true. After all, Columbus came back to Spain 'claiming' to have discovered America. Not every claim is a lie.

that Pralad Djani 'claims' to have not eaten is not necessarily a lie. What other word would you use. There is no absolute 24 hour a day record on any of our lives going back 60 years. But there are witnesses who go all the way back. They would not have conducted a very expensive Study to verify Pralad Djani's 'claim' unless they had gone through some very elaborate screening and vetting first. They would not even have bothered to look unless they already suspected there was something to see. In this day and age nobody has a great deal of money to waste.

Here is a site that explains concisely the whole Prahlad Djani affair:

http://www.soulcounseling.com/nov2003.html

Prahlad Jani (76) -popularly known as 'Mataji' - says he has
not had a single drop of water for the past 65 years.

Neither has he put a morsel of food in his mouth. His body also does not
perform vital functions like passing urine and stool.

Jani, who lives as a recluse in the caves at Ambaji, about 120 km north of
here, claims that he was blessed by a Goddess when he was eight. As for Djani, he claims that at age 8 he heard a voice from above and had been "chosen." "A hole opened in my sky from which I constantly receive an elixir of life," says Djani. So is he for real? And how is this man alive? These are the questions perplexing themedical fraternity here.

The Association of Physicians of Ahmedabad, a body with over 400 members, in
association with Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Science (DIPAS),
New Delhi , has been examining Jani for the past 10 days in a specially
prepared room at Sterling Hospital .

"A panel of doctors - including physicians, cardiologists, neurologists, a
neurosurgeon, a gastroenterologist, an endocrinologist, a diabetologist, a
nephrologist, a urosurgeon, an ENT surgeon, a psychiatrist, an
opthalmologist, a genetic counsellor, a radiologist, sonologists and many
more - have examined him. In fact, nearly 100 doctors of the association
have examined Jani during these 10 days," said secretary of the association,
Dr Urman Dhruv. Surveillance cameras have been placed in Jani's room.

"We have also deputed a team of doctors and security personnel on
round-the-clock duty," said Dr VN Shah of Sterling Hospital .

Jani agreed to avoid bathing during the examination period but was given 100
ml water to wash his mouth which was collected back and measured.

"Jani has not passed urine since he was brought here on November 12. He has
not taken anything by mouth or by any other route - not even water during
this period. All his parameters are within the normal physiological range.
Initially, the project was to continue for seven days but his health allowed
us to extend it," said Dhruv.

Tests have showed that Jani's body has shown evidence of formation of urine,
which seems to be reabsorbed from his bladder wall.

"He underwent all possible medical investigations - from checking blood
pressure to MRI of brain and gut, which were normal. Perhaps, he is more fit
than other people of his age. This is an attempt to understand a new
dimension in medical science and help mankind," said Dr Sudhir Shah, a
neurologist, who was a part of the team who examined a similar case of Hira
Ratan Manek, a person who fasted for 411 days.

"But this one is different. Not passing urine and stool is a very striking
phenomenon. This is a oneof-a-kind case," he said.

At present, the committee does not have any scientific explanation for the
phenomenon. "All we can say is that we are taking help of senior
scientists."



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