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Originally Posted by skysaw
That is twisting my words, I was commenting on the power of the mind (I'm not saying that psi abilities are a reality, but I'm not ruling it out either).
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Originally Posted by skysaw
That is twisting my words, I was commenting on the power of the mind (I'm not saying that psi abilities are a reality, but I'm not ruling it out either).
If so many people can do this... why doesn't someone prove it? It would be pretty big news if someone proved the existance of something like this.
Man can only see what he is willing to believe.
I found a new book, The Sense of Being Stared At. The author (forgot his name) had ran a variety of surveys concerning telepathy, and also ran studies on telepathy between animals and humans. Animals are far more sensitive to telepathy then humans. One test had a group of dogs being monitered in one room, and the owner in another. They had the owner think about taking the dogs out for a walk, and all of the dogs began to sit next to the door and wag their tails, as if waiting to be tooken on the walk. There are a lot of cases involving animals and telepathy, I think everyone would be surprised at the astounding evidence. I highly suggest to all skeptics and practicers alike to read this book.
Also, for all "skeptics" on this thread and forum - just so you know, the word skeptic means to be thoughtful, inquiring, to consider and to examine. It doesn't mean someone who asumes un-proven things are un-questionably wrong. Hell, I would think someone that grounded to *current* scientific knowledge would actually be considered the exact opposite of a skeptic. If you are assuming psychic abilitys are fake, then please don't call yourself a skeptic, because you are not. You are limited in thinking because all you except is what science says is plausible. First off, who says psychic phenomena isn't scientifically plausible? Second off, our current scientific community does know quite a bit, but when you look at the BIG picture, our current scientific community doesn't know shit. Don't rely on the scientists, take their discoverys as a guide and rely on yourself because you can be just as smart as they are (scientist are still just people).
Well yes, I can't refute that. People are people. People are fallible. And throughout history, scientists have gotten much wrong. However, the collective knowledge of science continually grows. Current scientists learn from past scientists mistakes. They may not know shit, but the shit they don't know is diminishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by wer
But whatever they or do or do not know, they dedicate their lives to learning more about how the world works. Sure I may know more than most of them about how to juggle, how to write a woodwind quartet, how to speak in American Sign Language, or how to give a pill to an unwilling cat. But when it comes to science, they will always know more than me, no matter what my armchair interest may be. It's their livelihood, for Potato's sake!
Give those scientists a little credit. They may not know everything, but I'm pretty darned sure they know more about science than you do.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by skysaw
Wrong.Quote:
Also, for all "skeptics" on this thread and forum - just so you know, the word skeptic means to be thoughtful, inquiring, to consider and to examine. It doesn't mean someone who asumes un-proven things are un-questionably wrong.
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Good job on contradicting yourself. :p skysaw said being a skeptic means being open to the possibility of it being true and not assuming it's automatically incorrect, which is basically what your definition said.Quote:
Originally Posted by ataraxis
He wasn't quoting me there, that was from Wer. But his cited definition certainly was different than Wer's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Wolf
I think the confusion is from the fact that it is very common to hear the phrase "healthy skepticism," usually meant as "skeptical, but with an open mind."
How true. Monty Python's Meaning of Life actually gives the meaning of life, worded as well as I think it could possibly be put. But does anyone notice? NooOOooo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Wolf
Might I add
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
I didn't read all the pages so I don't know if this has been mentioned before.
In this context it doesn't matter whether any of the "paranormal" things listed really happen.
Take astral projection for example, it is either a trip out of the body or just a vivid dream. It's pretty stupid of the thread starter to call it a waste of time considering that lucid dreams basically the same thing.
It's a similar situation with "psi balls", telekinesis and telepathy.
Just my 2 cents
Actually, if you look at the origin of the word skeptic (I think ancient greek?), the word actually means to be thoughtful, to inquire, to consider and to examine. I'm just stating its orginal context. Also, a person who maintains a doubting attitude does just that, they maintain a DOUBTING attitude. Doubt means:Quote:
Originally Posted by ataraxis
You guys don't seem uncertain of the existence of psionics, you don't even consider psionics to be very unlikely. You guys seem completely certain psionics don't exist.Quote:
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–verb (used with object) 1.to be uncertain about; consider questionable or unlikely; hesitate to believe. 2.to distrust. 3.Archaic. to fear; be apprehensive about. –verb (used without object) 4.to be uncertain about something; be undecided in opinion or belief. –noun 5.a feeling of uncertainty about the truth, reality, or nature of something.
Also, I'm not saying I don't give the great scientists of the world any credit. In fact, I look up to some of the great scientific figures of our time. But I'm not going to let our current *accepted* scientific progress hold me back from venturing into the fantastic and un-known realms of parapsychology and the nature of consciouncness. All I'm saying is I'm not going to leave the big questions to people who are obviously not taking them seriously. Science is wonderful, I believe science could explain psionics and everything else, someday.
Well, this is an english forum not greek :P
And I'd just like to make it clear that I am not "certainly certain psionics don't exist." But, I don't believe in anything because of 'faith.' If I don't see hard empirical evidence of something, I am not going to believe in it. Furthermore, I think that there could be a *science*that explains it that we have not yet 'discovered.'
Meh
You are very much like myself then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ataraxis
Then how do you know anything is real? What hard empirical evidence do you have that the moon landing was real? (just a random example). Most of what we know is dependent on faith, believing what we're told. You believe in empirical evidence because you have faith in the scientific method. But you couldn't have possibly had time to personally verify every little detail that it was built on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ataraxis
There is a ton of evidence to support psi abilities. Why some people choose not to see it, is not something I want to get into right now. There are way more people out there who think lucid dreaming is a bunch a crap, than there are who know better. Do they consider lucid dreaming a psi ability?
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Paranormal powers are normal and many people experience it .
The reason why we don't use these great abilities often is because we restrict our selfs from attaining it from the beginning we are born.
I've been taught in my dreams by several guides that these great abilities were restricted from our DNA.
The only way from attaining these powers we have to follow the spiritual path. Since nothing is "Real" in this world , everything is just a illusion gceated by our human mind.
One of my guides told me once, the key is the Subconscious ...
Our daily lifes are based on our thoughts that we receive from our subconscious.
Allien's from another planet are able to use these abilities because they were taught how to control these powers.
Hence, their intelligence is far greater than our current progress.
We are trapped in the so called "Reality" although its the opposite.
Little children are able to see auras from the beginning they are born ! they can even see spirits and other things that we dont!
We are unique and our capabilities are far greater than this.
Unfortunately most of the people wont understand this since we are only in the first plane out of 9.
And also , attaining these abilities puts upon you greater responsabilities, once you unlock you potential you will try to use it for your own benefit.
hence, the government are using Remote viewing to see trough space and time .
They know its real and that anything is possible , and yet we are forced to believe that "Paranormal" is bs .
As for my self , I'm not concentrating to achieve these abilities, since we have our dreams that allow us to unlock and use them without any consequences.
:):)
astral projecting is in the bible for your informationQuote:
Originally Posted by hepennypacker52
wow.. i had to have been in a rush when i posted this topic...
i wish i would have elaborated the first time..
I still and will always believe in God i just came to say...
I saw that woman ... assistant principal of my school transfer purple lightning between all of her fingers like she was playing with power..
i was at a boarding school in Mississippi at the time but i know what i saw..
Im a music artist and producer and im big on common sense and keepin it real at all times...
hey im done with this post its old but very true.. since this old post ive done some learning and living ..... its still true..
I had a thought. I predict the future randomly all the time. Today, someone I know heard a song and said, "hey, I was thinking about this a few hours ago, what a coincidence." I have had this happen to me with songs, tv shows and even with games. And for all those skeptics, I have predicted over 100 simpsons episodes with 100% acuracy. That couldn't be coincidence. (well... I guess it could but my point remains valid)
I'm Christian and know the Bible quite well, and your statement is ignorant. Please don't spread ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by hepennypacker52
Wow, I could not have said it better myself, totaly sums up everything I feel about psi abilitys, only wish I would have relised this earlier, I like your philosophy about certain things, maybe I should read your posts sometime just for the fun of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
only the stupid mind ( you ) always like to say its not real, its fake, or it is in your head only...
as soon as one of them sees it in reality ( example - telekinesis ) he just drops his jaw and he forgets that he was denying it all the time..now he is almost obssesed to train himself to do the telekinesis..
shame..