Thread: Stay in a dream for eternity!

Originally Posted by Mylynes

For me, the dream world is often much more vivid, much more beautiful and complex/detailed than the waking world ever is. Many unique experiences have taken place for me in my dreams and have helped to shape who I am today. Especially lately it feels like I have been on the other side much much more than I have been awake. Things have happened and places have been visited which simply do not exist anywhere in the waking world so it is definitely not ALL recycled from the waking world.

Also, as a result of where I spend most of my time I often forget many things from the waking world. I also have memories (usually of past dreams) that for some reason I only tend to remember when dreaming and seem to temporarily leave my thoughts when I am awake.

For me, sometimes the waking world seems more like the dream though this can be hard to explain.

I actually consider even totally alien dreamscapes as recycled from the waking world. Your brain only works with what it's given. You may not be able to consciously pick apart where things are from, but they all have some meaning. The way you describe the beauty of the dream world also sounds like a sensory critique. I was referring to the way the waking world works, like the laws of physics. I've never encountered something in the dream world that amazes me as much as the workings of the waking world, which are always out there to be discovered further, whereas the dream world must work with the knowledge it has (including subconscious, I'm not saying you can't figure out new things about your mind in your dreams).

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I actually consider even totally alien dreamscapes as recycled from the waking world. Your brain only works with what it's given. You may not be able to consciously pick apart where things are from, but they all have some meaning. The way you describe the beauty of the dream world also sounds like a sensory critique. I was referring to the way the waking world works, like the laws of physics. I've never encountered something in the dream world that amazes me as much as the workings of the waking world, which are always out there to be discovered further, whereas the dream world must work with the knowledge it has (including subconscious, I'm not saying you can't figure out new things about your mind in your dreams).

I have heard of this before but I don't quite believe it is always completely true. Often times yes the subconscious can add a lot of borrowed stuff from waking life. If play a game nonstop for 50 hours it is likely to influence the subconscious part of my dream but I would still like to give some creative credit to conscious control over dreams as well. Sure the brain works with what it knows and old knowledge plays a part in the creation of new ideas but I believe it is possible to create entirely new things which have never been experienced before. I can make a new word like mrofingobwynexiiiis but then you could argue this word is based on letters which were previously learned and "recycled". Just because I already know the letters does that mean mrofingobwynexiiiis isn't a new word? I could create an entirely unique and new creature never experienced by anyone before but you could argue that this is based on ideas of previous creatures. Personally I think arguing semantics is a bit pointless, but just because old knowledge plays some role in the creation of new ideas do you believe that no new ideas are ever created and are always strictly "recycled" from old ideas? If so then where did the old ideas come from? Is it impossible to experience new things? Or do you believe that completely original and new things can only be experienced in the waking world?

Just a thought but I wonder what the dreams of a man who has been blind his entire life would be like. I doubt many blind from birth ppl would be able to actually see things in their dreams but I wonder if it would be possible for someone like that to see within his dreams and if so then I wonder where those images came from.

Also, when I stabilize my dream it becomes very vivid in many ways. I can see in sort of super hd as if my mind can fill in more "pixels" at a time than my actual eyes can pick up when awake. I can see in all directions at once and much much further than I can when awake. I can also sense the world around me through senses which simply are not available to me when awake. I can take in much more information at 1 time than I can when awake which makes for a more immersive experience. I can even experience dreams from multiple perspectives and multiple "bodies" simultaneously. This didn't happen overnight though, ever since I was 4 years old before I even know what a lucid dream was I have very rarely had dreams in which I was not aware of the fact that I was dreaming.. and that was almost 20 years ago.

After spending much more time in my dreams than while awake, and being used to my senses being heightened and expanded all the time.. waking up is like returning to a boring ugly cage. I can see someone else viewing things differently but for me the waking world sucks ass and the dream world may as well be considered my home. All of my best memories are from dreams while nothing really stands out from my "real" waking life.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I've never encountered something in the dream world that amazes me as much as the workings of the waking world, which are always out there to be discovered further, whereas the dream world must work with the knowledge it has (including subconscious, I'm not saying you can't figure out new things about your mind in your dreams).

I totally agree with you.

When amazing things happen in dreams, I would probably just go with the flow, and it didn't occurred to me for a moment how wonderful it was. But if an amazing thing happened to me in real life, just the thought and memory of it could last me for the rest of my life.

It's as though anything that happens in the dream world is all a possibility, anything is possible, literally, so nothing is out of your expectations. But in real life there are many factors to consider, simply just the responses of others is hard to predict.