Thread: Are prophetic dreams real?

Based on my experience....Such dreams are definitely real. They are not explained by any current physics theory - people who talk about quantum mechanics in this context are blowing smoke. But there's no rational reason to expect physics theories to explain everything, because they were developed to explain easily controllable/measurable phenomena, not like this sort of thing.

I don't think they're best thought of as prophecies of the future. They're reflections of thoughts that have some connection with future events, but the correspondence to future events is somewhat incidental and can be misleading.

For myself, I'll get this sort of dream pretty much any time someone has a desire in relation to me - it doesn't matter what it is. My dreams are cobbled together from waking life sensate experiences, but when someone else has thoughts that intersect with mine, the sensate experiences can be future as easily as past. The dreams are really about the thoughts, not about the events that the images are drawn from, and which may be related only metaphorically. I had a few dreams like this back in the 90's, but it really took off about three years ago, becoming almost a nightly occurrence, and providing objectively verifiable cases.

For skeptics out there who are tempted to reply pointing out all the possible fallacies in terms of self-fulfilling prophecies, selective attention, statistics, insanity, etc....I think skepticism is a good idea, because there are people who make claims that don't stand honest scrutiny very well. But I've been over all that very carefully, and have gotten a bit worn out covering the same ground repeatedly. In my view none of these objections at all plausibly fit my experiences. Maybe you can look up some of my old posts on the subject and ask questions if you still have any. If you can find time for that, then I can find time to address your questions or objections. Since, as I have mentioned, it always takes another person's thoughts to help create the dream, the strongest, clearest examples are ones that I'm uncomfortable posting because I don't want to violate the other person's privacy. But I'll private message or e-mail some of that if it interests you.

Regards.

I've had similar occurrences with aspects of my dreams fulfilling themselves the following day. The latest example being a dream I had within which this guy was playing a hand drum, then I began playing a hand drum as well, not really knowing why. Keep in mind I do not play drums and never have. The next day my drummer friend who is always participating in drum circles, where a bunch of people gather to play hand drums, called me out of the blue. I talk to him maybe once a year, so it was a little far fetched to be random chance. I've had similar occurrences with dream scenarios fulfilling themselves for days in a row. Perhaps it is a form of energy I am only able to sense subconsciously or perhaps it is a form of time travel.

Originally Posted by astraltraveler

I've had similar occurrences with dream scenarios fulfilling themselves for days in a row.

Since you do this a lot, maybe you'd like to try something (you or anyone else who's interested)....

Last night I dreamed of being underwater in a small stream. There were guppies that I had established there, and an underwater cat that was tangled up in fishing line. I got the cat out and cut it free, telling it I loved it and trusted it, though it was bleeding from its mouth and elsewhere, like fish blood. After I woke up, as I breathed in and out, I saw sand banks shifting around with each breath, sort of like how a stream moves sand around each flood season, with a breath being one season. Later I dreamed of small families of people flying around in the air, as if they were attached to invisible vehicles. Some weak, long distance force brought them towards the ground, then a repulsive, shorter distance force would fling them away, disappearing into the sky. After being flung a ways away, one group's momentum was balanced against the repelling force such that they were able to land.

I understand these dreams a little, but rather than trying to explain them I'm just describing them to provide a mental context for you to find subconsciously if you are so inclined.

Preceeding these dreams, there was another dream which I can't describe. Its like one of those thoughts that got flung away. It can't quite exist in my mind, sort of like how Laotse can't exist in the paleolithic, or the general theory of relativity can't exist in a bronze age, but maybe not as far off. It was a wider awareness of the ocean that we exist in, and how our lives fit in the larger picture, with what all these weird metaphors mean and how the premonitions work. My suggestion is that if you have any interests related to this topic, even tangentally, ask a question or make a request in my direction. (You don't have to type it, just think it one time and the rest will be taken care of.) The existence of your thought will help me reel in this other greater awareness, and my thought will help give you an answer to your thought in the same way. I don't know how that works, but I've done this a lot, and its very, very closely related to what creates the premonitions, at least for me. (As I mentioned, every premonition involves another person's thought. In your example, it would have been the desire of your drummer friend, whatever it was that he wanted that induced him to call you. I can't think of ever having had a premonition where I couldn't later identify the other person who was involved.)

One comment on the thought of breathing being like shifting sand bars: Its not that one is a metaphor for the other, both of them are metaphors for, or different reflections of, something else. This something else is the same thing that practitioners of mental yoga are dealing with when they meditate on what they experience as being various astral aspects of their breath. One season is also like one human life, not necessarily in historical sequence, or even in the same world. The way the sand is piled up by the water is like how it plays out.

IMO- No coincidence, she has a gift. And is very fortunate to learn of it. My advice to her would be, get that dream journal out!

Yes they are real, but it doesn't necesarly mean it will happen, when you give a prophecy it's the most probable future given with the present variables, but these variables can change or stay equal, more time elapsed will probably mean more variable changes.

This will be my shortest post here.

Yes.

They are known as precognitive dreams. They show you a possible future outcome based on your circumstances at the moment. As the circumstances change, so does the possible outcome.
- DreamBliss

I think precognitive dreams aren't extrapolated from the present. I think they're based on what happened in another world which had been in a state similar to the one ours is in presently. Actually I don't think that's what they are either, but I think that's closer to what's going on.

When people's precognitive dreams prove to be 'wrong', they generally assume that the extrapolation was mistaken, or that it was correct but 'things changed'. But in some cases it seems it wasn't wrong because things changed, that it was always wrong. And its not wrong as in being a bad guess, its wrong more like directly seeing something that's real, but which somehow isn't quite our future. I've only had one wrong precognition that I recall, but it clearly didn't fit the 'things changed' model, and I've seen this with other people's precognitions too.

Asking "are precognitive dreams real" is like asking if shared dreaming is real, it's like asking are their Aliens, it's like asking was the moon landing just a big conspiracy theory.

Odds are, we will never, in our lifetimes, see a science book say "precognitive have been proven" or "shared dreaming is real" and history books will probably never conform to a so called "conspiracy theory"

My point is it's kinda faith based because every one of these people on the forums COULD say "yes precognitive dreaming exists" however each and every one of them says it based off faith and (probably) past "experience" with it. However ultimately none of their "experiences" with it can be truly proven.

In the end it's whatever YOU personally believe.

But the moon landing did actually occur - a person can do a careful study of the evidence and find out that the conspiracy theorists are both ignorant and fairly dishonest. Its not just a matter of faith. Similarly with precognitive dreaming, there is an objective truth, even though finding it may be problematic. It seems to me that saying that it call comes down to faith mostly amounts to saying that the thorough, decades long study isn't worth the effort. That's fine and sensible for a lot of people, but doesn't mean its that way for everyone.

But no the moon landing conspiricy actually does have solid evidence as to why it could be fake. There's good evidence to both sides (also the moon landing was probably a bad example on my part, a better example would be like to prove a religion like christianity or Islam)

Assuming that one COULD prove it To say that it would only take decades to prove precognitive dreaming is a bit optimistic. I mean, we are talking about something that is no less than real telepathy. Something that today, is thought of only in mere video games or movies. For scientists to even BEGIN such a project, they would have to fully understand normal dreams. Which they don't. If you look up "why we dream" you will get a bunch of theories. Sure, we DO know HOW we dream, but only partially. We still don't even know the complete physics of the brain! So how, and why, would scientists start working on something as trivial (in their perspective) as dreaming! That in itself would take decades. Once scientists start to expand on individual sects of the brain. That would be when the research YOU desire would even BEGIN! it could take centuries for us to fully understand EVERY sect of the brain and telepathy (assuming it even exists)

I'm not Saying it doesn't exist . I'm saying that it ultimately it comes down to faith as far as precognitive dreaming

If scientists were to prove it to their satisfaction, it would remain a matter of faith for you, unless you are expert enough to independently evaluate their claims. But if you find a way to demonstrate it for yourself, then that doesn't depend on what the scientists think.

Its not necessary to understand anything about the mechanisms of how dreams work in order to prove precognitive dreaming to yourself beyond a reasonable doubt. All you need is a sufficiently large sample of objectively accurate precognitive dreams, about unique events which you don't have any other sensate information about, and which can not plausibly be extrapolated from any sensate information you do have. Write them down before the events happen - most of the time the event follows the dream by just a few hours, so you can be fairly systematic. Maybe that's not within your reach personally, but if it is, then its not a matter of faith. Its true that you won't prove it to the scientific elites or even to the population at large in a few decades, but its possible to prove it for yourself and people close to you. But maybe that's sort of what you were saying.