"Re-enterable" dream-universe, and DC free-will?

**littledreamer** · 07-07-2011 04:02 AM

I'm just now getting back into LD and I've only had a few myself. However, I've always had an interest in a certain concept that I'm not sure is even possible, but you guys/gals should know more than I.

If one that has truly mastered the art of Lucid Dreaming and Dream Control tried, could they, in some sense, create an alternate dream-universe in which they could control every aspect of in a God-like sense? By "dream-universe," I mean a rock-solid, extremely stable mental universe that you could return your awareness to at will while lucid.

Has anyone tried anything of this sort?

Something that is probably even more impossible, but still: Could you "give" the beings of this dream-universe "free-will?"

What I mean is, is there a way you could block your mind from controlling them consciously, giving them what would seem to be free-will?

This might sound completely stupid, but it's just a couple of thoughts.

LD

**shadowofwind** · 07-07-2011 05:12 PM

The beings in our waking world are tremendously complex machines, with a lot of chemical complexity to make them work. To create beings with free will you'd have to create something like that, which is a lot different than just forming a moving image of something in your mind.

I have imaginary places in dreams that I return to repeatedly, and have accumulated a vast store of memories of these unreal places. But I don't think they're real places in the same sense that our waking universe is.

**wana** · 07-07-2011 05:22 PM

MAN the world you want you can make it how you want just that all happens when you sleep you can will to make your brain randomise a story up for you

**Marm** · 07-07-2011 05:55 PM

The dreamer's subconscious mind forges the dream world that he/she experiences. This includes its denizens as well. I don't think anyone can reach that level of control..

**littledreamer** · 07-08-2011 04:27 AM

Thanks for the replies, people. It was just simple speculation.

Nice to see your takes on it!

LD

**wana** · 07-08-2011 05:59 PM

The dreamer's subconscious mind forges the dream world that he/she experiences. This includes its denizens as well. I don't think anyone can reach that level of control..

hey are you sure of that if its you who made the dimension of course you will remember it
littledreamer i think you should make more research on this forum

**nina** · 07-08-2011 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by littledreamer

could they, in some sense, create an alternate dream-universe in which they could control every aspect of in a God-like sense? By "dream-universe," I mean a rock-solid, extremely stable mental universe that you could return your awareness to at will while lucid.

What do you mean by rock-solid extremely stable? Does this mean you won't wake up unless you want to? Or that you just have full control while you are there?

Originally Posted by littledreamer

What I mean is, is there a way you could block your mind from controlling them consciously, giving them what would seem to be free-will?

You don't control them consciously...dream characters are created by the unconscious mind. They already appear to have this free will, unless you consciously make an effort to exert control over them.

**littledreamer** · 07-09-2011 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by nina

What do you mean by rock-solid extremely stable? Does this mean you won't wake up unless you want to? Or that you just have full control while you are there?

I meant a virtual universe that never changes unless you tell it to. Every time you return, things are exactly where you left them, as they would be (for the most part) in the physical, real universe.

You don't control them consciously...dream characters are created by the unconscious mind. They already appear to have this free will, unless you consciously make an effort to exert control over them.

Very good point. Thanks!