Thread: Is sharing a Lucid Dream possible?

O.o Thats deep

Seems like you are only accepting the responses you want to hear. Don't do that. Whatever the truth might be, accepting the desired explonation is not the answer. You should decide yourself what is real and what is not. And hopefully base your decision on thinking instead of wishing. Not to say that the choice is obvious when you are thinking. There are some evidence either way, though I still support what the majority of evidence seems to say. That it's not real.

nice knarF like Pinky and The Brain

to the creator of this thread just follow on atras oneironaut shared dreaming project just as i follow it closely to see if its true or not simple as that

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

You've clearly done no research into this, have you?

For your perusal: an abstract for an article (requires access to EBSCO Host, get it through your university, if possible) from Journal of Psychology detailing a case study in dream sharing involving dreams reported by an anonymous couple (independently from one another). The study ends up showing, statistically, that the experiences the couple were sharing had about a 1 in 2000 to 1 in 1 billion billion chance (depending on the dream) of happening randomly.

Interesting article, Mzzkc. I still retain my original position though.

Please do some leg work before you start blindly believing things and calling people liars. Seriously, such behavior is worse than that of some religious folk I know.

I think the people who claim to have had shared dreams believe they actually did; and so they're not lying.

I believe it's possible and there are very strong arguments for/against it but as previously stated the people who are against it are now tasked with disproving waking nomads list of dream plane laws

I too have seen a couple studies (hard to find unless you have a database available) where it seems highly possible. They don't prove anything, they just make a case that really has you question what we know about dreams. I've had dreams that, which I can't completely confirm that they were shared (A couple elements varied between myself and the other person) but there were many specific parts of the dream that were the same. I also heard a couple stories from real life friends. (All of my experiences that MIGHT have been shared dreams were with real life friends).

I don't know for sure myself, but I'm working on proving it to myself. That's all that really matters, proving it to yourself and one other person!

Originally Posted by Raphael

Interesting article, Mzzkc. I still retain my original position though.

If that peer reviewed, scientific article (I'm assuming you read through the full thing and not just the abstract) isn't enough to at least open you up to the possibility that two people can share remarkably similar experiences in dreams that seem to coincide on the same night, then nothing will. Really, I don't understand why people have difficulty being open to things as simple as that. It's not like I'm asking for you to believe in a dream plane, psychic connections, or what have you; just the possibility that two people can share a dream given established physical laws. Truly, it's not that far-fetched an idea when you start to consider dream formation, common schemata, and the like.

Dammit, now you've gone and made me want to write up a thread on the issue. XP

Originally Posted by Raphael

I think the people who claim to have had shared dreams believe they actually did; and so they're not lying.

Was gonna link you to an entry in my DJ that could be easily interpreted as shared (so you'd be forced to either re-evaluate your position or call me a liar), but the other person seems to have deleted every entry from that year. =/

Not cool.

Originally Posted by quassom

I believe it's possible and there are very strong arguments for/against it but as previously stated the people who are against it are now tasked with disproving waking nomads list of dream plane laws

That's not how the scientific method works. Nomad has to do the proving here, but we all know that's impossible, hence his suggestion to prove it to yourself. But even if you somehow manage do that (something I personally feel is impossible, given the nature of the necessary experimentation), your experiences probably won't hold up in any serious discussion.

I recommend not think about shared dreaming much UNTIL you have a regular amount of lucid dreams. Once your better at lucidity then come back and think about shared dreaming and try for yourself if you think its real.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

You've clearly done no research into this, have you?

For your perusal: an abstract for an article (requires access to EBSCO Host, get it through your university, if possible) from Journal of Psychology detailing a case study in dream sharing involving dreams reported by an anonymous couple (independently from one another). The study ends up showing, statistically, that the experiences the couple were sharing had about a 1 in 2000 to 1 in 1 billion billion chance (depending on the dream) of happening randomly.

Please do some leg work before you start blindly believing things and calling people liars. Seriously, such behavior is worse than that of some religious folk I know.

Can you please give the name of the study, where and when it was done, and also the scientists conducting the study? I have never heard of such a thing. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

If that peer reviewed, scientific article (I'm assuming you read through the full thing and not just the abstract) isn't enough to at least open you up to the possibility that two people can share remarkably similar experiences in dreams that seem to coincide on the same night, then nothing will. Really, I don't understand why people have difficulty being open to things as simple as that. It's not like I'm asking for you to believe in a dream plane, psychic connections, or what have you; just the possibility that two people can share a dream given established physical laws. Truly, it's not that far-fetched an idea when you start to consider dream formation, common schemata, and the like.

Dammit, now you've gone and made me want to write up a thread on the issue. XP



Was gonna link you to an entry in my DJ that could be easily interpreted as shared (so you'd be forced to either re-evaluate your position or call me a liar), but the other person seems to have deleted every entry from that year. =/

Not cool.

That's not how the scientific method works. Nomad has to do the proving here, but we all know that's impossible, hence his suggestion to prove it to yourself. But even if you somehow manage do that (something I personally feel is impossible, given the nature of the necessary experimentation), your experiences probably won't hold up in any serious discussion.

Originally Posted by quassom

I believe it's possible and there are very strong arguments for/against it but as previously stated the people who are against it are now tasked with disproving waking nomads list of dream plane laws

No one has to prove or disprove anything simply because they state a belief that someone else doesn't believe.

SHARED DREAM: TASK OF THE MONTH, Raven Knight and WakingNomad

Raven's Dreams
Garden of Peace
I am in my house, and I feel depressed. I decide to create an area where I can go to relax and feel better, I think a place with a lot of flowers would be nice. A miniature paradise. I go outside where I find a place sheltered from the main force of the desert sun. I bring water there, and plant flowers. The flowers grow amazingly fast, they grow into a huge canopy of flowering vines. The water I give them forms into a pond underneath the shelter of the flowers. The temperature difference between the interior and exterior of the shelter is amazing. It's somewhere around 110 degrees outside the miniature paradise, but it's only about 75 degrees inside… amazing. I see large golden fruits growing from the vines, I pick one and eat it. It is delicious. I plant some more flowers to enlarge the sheltered area, animals are coming in out of the desert for some shelter from the heat and for some water. I see a portal open just outside the shelter, the sun is bright but I manage to see through the portal that Nomad is out there. He comes through the portal into my miniature paradise, I tell him it grew in just the past few minutes, amazingly fast. He is with a woman I don't know. He introduces me to her, but I don't remember who she is. I take another fruit before looking back over at Nomad and seeing he is making out with the woman he brought here. I plant some more flowers between me and them, giving them their own little section of my paradise and some privacy for making out.

***
Ghost Realm
I am in a very strange and creepy place with Nomad. There are ghosts all around us, all of them are glowing with a strange green glow. I look around a bit more and see Nomad is actually making out with one of them, he and a female ghost are getting into some pretty heavy kissing. That makes me wonder if actual intercourse with a ghost is possible. I look around at the ghosts more and I see the ghost of Captain Jack Sparrow emerge, he comes out of the green fog and is glowing green a bit himself, though the green glow seems to be evaporating off of him. Jack asks what us living types are doing in a dead place like this, he looks closer at me and says I certainly look living… He kisses me right on the lips and then gives me a strange smile before doing it again. So Nomad is making out with the ghost woman and I am making out with Jack Sparrow… Jack finally says that if I am from out there and I got in here then there I must know the way to get back out there from in here… um… I hesitate, and Jack says of course I can't do that… first we need the treasure. He is talking to someone I can't see now, saying that person should be helpful and lead us to the treasure. Nomad asks who Jack is talking to. Jack points at himself. He's talking to himself? He looks down at his shirt and pulls something from his chest pocket, he lets go of a slightly frazzled looking fairy. The fairy scolds Jack briefly, it sounds like she says something about being more careful with the wings, Jack says sorry, and she smiles. She indicates for us to follow, then she goes into the water of a dead looking ocean. Jack says to follow her we would need gills… and tentacles, or fins… I transform into a mermaid, Jack says he can't drown, he's already dead. We swim down into the ocean, following the glow of the fairy, and soon I can see wreckage on the bottom. The Black Pearl! And there is something else… a space ship has crashed on the deck of the Black Pearl? Nomad swims into the space ship, I look closer at the Black Pearl. I follow Nomad into the space ship and see an Alkazaran (purple alien, about four feet tall, glowing blue eyes) is injured. The Alkazaran hands Nomad something that turns into a huge golden orb that surrounds both the space ship and the Black Pearl. Jack looks at the golden glow, the golden light flows through all of us, he says that is the treasure that everyone seeks but very few ever find, the fifth element in its purest form. The space ship, the Black Pearl, and all of us float up out of the ocean and through a portal Nomad opens. On the other side of the portal I see that the Black Pearl is now floating in the oceans of the biodome on the moon.


Nomad's Dream

I am Juargawn, god of Nothing, a great rakshasa, a lion man, with light tiger stripes atop the Temple of Nothing, in the City of Nowhere in the Land of Aud on the muthafukkin Green Moon.


I survey the scene. I am above the jungle canopy. Flying cars float by. Birds swim on currents of nothing. An iridescent blue and black butterfly alights on my wrist. I look at the butterfly, and I can see its tiny tongue curled and its many eyes. It flits away. A breeze makes patterns in my fur, and I can see the individual hairs. The sun begins to set, and the sky turns pink and orange. I inhale deeply nothing-air.

Sarnox, my spectral flaming wraith High Priest joins me on the landing pad. We are standing on a picture of Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl battling eternally.

“Everything looks so fucking real, dog.”

“I know. It’s amazing.”

“This is real, isn’t it Sarnox?”

“Yes.”

I feel like crying, screaming, and laughing all at the same time. Instead, I just kneel and place my lion chin in my palm. I see I have dreadlocks now. I chuckle to myself.

A tiny man on a tiny hover vehicle, the size of a dragonfly, rides to me, and hands me a message in the form of a tiny envelope. I touch it, and it becomes a hologram of Raven. “Um, Nomad? Aren’t we going to the pirate ship?”

“Oh, shit! I forgot.” I turn, and enter the temple. A purple and black cape grows out from my neck. A silly purple and black top hat appears on my head, and I have a funny dancing cane. The hat becomes a great hood, and the cane becomes gnarled and twisted black wood. My eyes glow violet, and lightning flashes across my face as I stride toward The Mirror. I wave my staff across it, and it ripples like mercury. A scene of Raven planting flowers appears. She looks up at me, squints, and waves. I step through the mirror.

I go through a silvery wormhole going through the center of the Moon, and a beautiful silver and white wormhole Wyrm, grins at me as I bodysurf by.

I land next to Raven, on the Moon. My friend, Keiko, well, love interest, is somehow now there with me. She’s wearing a white robe, and holding a white staff with a caduceus at the top. I introduce her to Raven. Selene appears, and kisses Keiko on the cheek. Raven opens a portal to the Black Pearl.

We step in. In the wormhole we have an epic flash battle with a black dragon fighting the wormhole worm.

We are on a ghost ship in a dense fog. The sea is completely still. There are some nasty little bat things gnawing at us, which we toss into the portal. We instantly do healing on ourselves. The ghosts are everywhere. I scan Keiko. She seems right at home. Jack Sparrow steps out from among them. A green mist rises from his skin.



“Well, hello there, strange people things.... Ah, I know you!” He walks to Raven, and makes out with her. I laugh.

“Let us to the treasure! I mean, lead us to the treasure!” Jack Sparrow proclaims loudly.

“Who are you talking to?” I ask.

“Uh... me? Me. No, wait, aha, hear it is! My little treasure fairy...” He pulls Tinkerbell out of his breast pocket. She flies around and kisses all of us on the cheek. We dive into the green sea. “At this point, it would be good time to have gills and tentacles... or fins!”

I grow gills, tentacles, and fins. We follow Tinkerbell into the depths. There is a strange silver disk at the bottom of the sea. It looks like it just crashed into the seafloor! Is it an alien ship? There is a hologram of a ghostly pirate ship on it. I see the hologram projector is not working too well as the hologram is flickering. We swim down to the hull, and it opens.

A strange purple alien is dying... This sounds like... wait, I already have a Green Lantern Ring...

The alien speaks, and I feel it’s voice reverberate in my chest. “I am dying,” the Babelfish translates. “... being pursued by ones who want my treasure... what they do not understand is... *cough* they already have it... and so do you... you have everything to give, and everything to receive...”

The alien puts her hands over her heart, and pure love energy pours into them in a tiny colored orb. She opens her hands to us, and she exhales her last strange watery breath. The orb expands growing until it engulfs us. My third eye spins, and my entire being is flooded with light. All my chakras spin. I grab on to the hands of two people next to me. The five of us, Raven, Jack, Selene, Keiko, and myself are in a circle, spinning. I feel the orb explode. We are five Love Gods in a World of Light.

Suddenly we are back in the sea. Our eyes are glowing gold. “The greatest treasure in the world: The Fifth Element,” Jack whispers.


We fly through the water up to the surface. We hover in the sky and turn the clouds into a storm. It rains violently, and disappears. A cool wind blows, and we add our breath to it, sending the ghosts to rest in peace.

I open a portal to the Green Moon.

“Where are you going, friend?” Jack asks.

“Home, brother, care to join us?”

He grins and swaggers to the portal, stepping through first. We go through, and end up on top of The Tower. Wait... The Black Tower... And there is a Green and White Tower on the edge of the Sea... Two Towers?

The old Biodome wall is overgrown with green, but the energy dome can still be vaguely seen. “All systems normal, Biodome is now complete. Hidden fortress in the forest, as you requested sir,” I hear Stephanie, the Biodome AI say. We overlook a lush paradise. Colorful birds float by, smiling at us. People are singing in a valley below.

“This!” Jack shouts, surveying the scene, “This is lovely!” We walk through New Eden. As we walk past the Mirror by the Koi Pond, there is a scene of the sun rising. “What’s this?” Jack asks, and steps through. We are on the Mountain now, in a field of wildflowers among a few great pines. The air is fresh and clean. We look out over the ocean, and the sky grows light as the sun rises over the sea on the Green Moon. In the presence of the overwhelming beauty, all we can do is watch in silence.

The sun rises, and warms our skin.

“I am going back to my Other Life, soon, friends.” I give everyone a hug goodbye. “We are all real, aren’t we, Jack?” I ask him.

‘Of course,” he says, lightly slapping my face. I growl. He growls back like a dog, and barks at me. I laugh and the dream fades to black.

Notes: Our plans were to go to the Black Pearl, meet Jack Sparrow, and find buried treasure in an alien spacecraft wreck undersea. There were no other plans. We wrote our dreams down in the morning before talking to each other about our dreams.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi

No one can never disprove shared dreaming, any more than they can disprove God, or the idea there is a green mouse in your house that is coonstantly hiding from you.
It is also almost impossible to prove- all the people who claim to experience it could be lying or mistaken (no offence to anyone here, just pointing out the difficulties in proving it!). A comparable anology would be religious experiences, which thousands from many different religions claim to experience.
My personal views is, though is seems unlikely, it would be foolish not to attempt it in the assumption that it doesn't work, and equally foolish to believe blindly without testing it your self.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

You've clearly done no research into this, have you?

For your perusal: an abstract for an article (requires access to EBSCO Host, get it through your university, if possible) from Journal of Psychology detailing a case study in dream sharing involving dreams reported by an anonymous couple (independently from one another). The study ends up showing, statistically, that the experiences the couple were sharing had about a 1 in 2000 to 1 in 1 billion billion chance (depending on the dream) of happening randomly.

Please do some leg work before you start blindly believing things and calling people liars. Seriously, such behavior is worse than that of some religious folk I know.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

If that peer reviewed, scientific article (I'm assuming you read through the full thing and not just the abstract) isn't enough to at least open you up to the possibility that two people can share remarkably similar experiences in dreams that seem to coincide on the same night, then nothing will. Really, I don't understand why people have difficulty being open to things as simple as that. It's not like I'm asking for you to believe in a dream plane, psychic connections, or what have you; just the possibility that two people can share a dream given established physical laws. Truly, it's not that far-fetched an idea when you start to consider dream formation, common schemata, and the like.

Dammit, now you've gone and made me want to write up a thread on the issue. XP



Was gonna link you to an entry in my DJ that could be easily interpreted as shared (so you'd be forced to either re-evaluate your position or call me a liar), but the other person seems to have deleted every entry from that year. =/

Not cool.



That's not how the scientific method works. Nomad has to do the proving here, but we all know that's impossible, hence his suggestion to prove it to yourself. But even if you somehow manage do that (something I personally feel is impossible, given the nature of the necessary experimentation), your experiences probably won't hold up in any serious discussion.

Originally Posted by quassom

I believe it's possible and there are very strong arguments for/against it but as previously stated the people who are against it are now tasked with disproving waking nomads list of dream plane laws

Originally Posted by Oneironautic

No one can never disprove shared dreaming, any more than they can disprove God, or the idea there is a green mouse in your house that is coonstantly hiding from you.
It is also almost impossible to prove- all the people who claim to experience it could be lying or mistaken (no offence to anyone here, just pointing out the difficulties in proving it!). A comparable anology would be religious experiences, which thousands from many different religions claim to experience.
My personal views is, though is seems unlikely, it would be foolish not to attempt it in the assumption that it doesn't work, and equally foolish to believe blindly without testing it your self.

It's actually very possible to prove. Just do a double blind study with shared dreamers in sleep labs. Give them tasks to do in dreams together, and have them write their dreams down in the mornings. Allow no communication between dreamers during the study. There just has to be some funding for the research. But, shared dreaming isn't as profitable, as say... designer legal drugs which make you happy.

Originally Posted by Oneironautic

No one can never disprove shared dreaming, any more than they can disprove God, or the idea there is a green mouse in your house that is coonstantly hiding from you.
It is also almost impossible to prove- all the people who claim to experience it could be lying or mistaken (no offence to anyone here, just pointing out the difficulties in proving it!). A comparable anology would be religious experiences, which thousands from many different religions claim to experience.
My personal views is, though is seems unlikely, it would be foolish not to attempt it in the assumption that it doesn't work, and equally foolish to believe blindly without testing it your self.

We could totally be lying, and there is no way to disprove that. But, if you had simply read the last post, you would see it's impossible for us to be mistaken. Increase lucidity. Increase awareness. Be aware of the shared dream entry staring you right in the face. Please read it before responding.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Can you please give the name of the study, where and when it was done, and also the scientists conducting the study? I have never heard of such a thing. Thanks.

I already did?

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

No one has to prove or disprove anything simply because they state a belief that someone else doesn't believe.

Not when it's stated as a belief. But if you state something as fact, you need to be able to back that claim up, otherwise you're just perpetuating misinformation.

Waking Nomad, i'm just trying to point out the difficulties proving or disproving shared dreaming on a site like this- and I did read the dream entry through
It is not conclusive proof however. I dont know you or raven knight personally, only from on here. and though you seem nice people, I cannot definitely say you are not lying by corresponding together before posting, or not even the same person with two different user names. Now i'm not saying I think that this is true, only that it might be true, and is therefore not conclusive proof.

Originally Posted by Oneironautic

Waking Nomad, i'm just trying to point out the difficulties proving or disproving shared dreaming on a site like this- and I did read the dream entry through
It is not conclusive proof however. I dont know you or raven knight personally, only from on here. and though you seem nice people, I cannot definitely say you are not lying by corresponding together before posting, or not even the same person with two different user names. Now i'm not saying I think that this is true, only that it might be true, and is therefore not conclusive proof.

Yes, I completely agree. I keep telling people that, yet they keep telling me to prove it to them. It's obviously not coincidence, but we could easily be lying. Except, there are many many people in the shared dream journal. I just showed you one entry. That's a lot of people that are lying, if they are. And then, there are all the people that randomly post on here, and talk about their shared dreams. That's a lot of liars. Then, there are the anecdotal stories of shared dreaming collected by scientists. A lot of liars, if you asked me.

And we could actually be the same person, but "we" is a big number. Would you like to count the number of people who have shared dreams in the original shared dreams DJ? I'd appreciate it if someone would do it, because every time I try, I lose count as I get distracted by the amazing shared dream entries. So, that means, I would have to make multiple accounts with different IP addresses that falsely showed they are from Hawaii, Arizona, Canada, Chile, Mexico, and New Zealand to name a few. I appreciate the compliment, but I am don't know shit about programming. Raven Knight and Tigress do, but they are different people.

Oh, yeah, and could you also count the ones in the new Shared Dream Journal? If you don't mind. If you don't feel like it, I'll do it eventually.

So, seeing that it's obviously impossible for it to be coincidence, either we are
1) lying
2) the same person
3) or telling the truth.

There are no other possibilities.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

So, seeing that it's obviously impossible for it to be coincidence, either we are
1) lying
2) the same person
3) or telling the truth.

There are no other possibilities.

4) Convincing yourselves that questionable experiences count as 'hits' - not necessarily lying, but cherry-picking through experiences and dismissing the ones that argue against the possibility of shared dreaming (perhaps subconsciously); creating similar dream experiences through discussion of like topics (aka 'incubation', possibly even subconsciously); and perhaps skewing fuzzy memories toward the direction of something that promotes shared dreaming (maybe not maliciously, or even purposely, but through a joyful bias).

Remember, our minds are just as good at fooling ourselves as they are at fooling other people. While I remain an open-minded skeptic, I don't assert that any of you aren't telling the truth, but there are other possibilities than the ones you listed. You must at least be aware of them, before placing your faith into any phenomenon.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

4) Convincing yourselves that questionable experiences count as 'hits' - not necessarily lying, but cherry-picking through experiences and dismissing the ones that argue against the possibility of shared dreaming (perhaps subconsciously); creating similar dream experiences through discussion of like topics (aka 'incubation', possibly even subconsciously); and perhaps skewing fuzzy memories toward the direction of something that promotes shared dreaming (maybe not maliciously, or even purposely, but through a joyful bias).

Remember, our minds are just as good at fooling ourselves as they are at fooling other people. While I remain an open-minded skeptic, I don't assert that any of you aren't telling the truth, but there are other possibilities than the ones you listed. You must at least be aware of them, before placing your faith into any phenomenon.

Convincing yourselves that questionable experiences count as 'hits'

That's a possibility. Thanks for bringing that up. But, that would not really be something the dreamers are doing, but the reader. What I mean by that is this: It's obvious that the above entry is a shared dream, if we are telling the truth. But, other times we have logged dreams that were not confirmed shared dreams in the DJ because of similarities. As we have found, when people begin to sync up, the similarities between dreams increases more and more.

cherry-picking through experiences and dismissing the ones that argue against the possibility of shared dreaming (perhaps subconsciously)

No. That is not a possibility, because if you look at the individual journals of people in the shared dream journals, we often dream of each other without it being a confirmed shared dream, so we have a lot of "misses," but we don't put those in the shared dream DJ, because that's not what it's for. We have a lot more "misses" than "hits" though, pretty sure.

creating similar dream experiences through discussion of like topics (aka 'incubation', possibly even subconsciously)

Good point. We do this deliberately sometimes, but there are always many random elements and fine details which would've been impossible to incubate. Once I realized the possibility of this perception, I began posting our plans for the dream. I think I only did it in the last one or two dreams. For example, Raven and I did not plan for Jack Sparrow to say that we would need gills tentacles, or fins. I would love for a mathematician to work out the probabilities of all this stuff. We did not plan on a fairy being there, we did not know what the treasure was going to be. I assumed it was going to be cheesy fake gold, but it wasn't.
In the beginning, we often just said, "Let's meet in a dream," which was not so difficult as "let's meet on the Moon." Then, we found that because of The Cool Factor, we had to create more elaborate things for our dream selves to do, because simply meeting on the Moon had become commonplace, and therefore boring.

and perhaps skewing fuzzy memories toward the direction of something that promotes shared dreaming

another good point. There is no way to prove we are not doing this.

Imagine you are at a craps table and you roll a 7 and you win. Now imagine you keep rolling a 7 every time the host puts the dice back in your hands. At some point you might think the dice are loaded and you begin to look for a logical explanation as to why you keep rolling 7.

Now imagine you pass the dice to others around the table and they proceed to roll 4's' 11's, 8's, etc... then you get the dice back.

You close your eyes and roll a 7. You throw you hands behind your back and roll a 7. Hell, you wedge the dice between your butt cheeks and drop them. Still 7.

Here's the big question: How many times would you have to roll a 7 before you threw your hands up in the air and said, "Okay... magic? Something beyond me? Not coincidence?"

No matter how many times you roll the dice, YOU CANNOT PROVE that you aren't doing anything more than lucking out in the extreme. Odds of 1:1,000,000,000 are still within the realm of possibility.

In the same way, anything we deal with in a metaphysical realm is attempting to see if we can get the 7's to line up. There is no objectivity while dreaming as there is in the waking world... every dreamer has the prism of personal experience and their own mind to pass through before making contact with anyone else. Therefore you can't PROVE shared dreaming as a real phenomena any more than you can prove someone has magic hands if they keep rolling a 7.

However, for those of us that have rolled a 7 dozens of times in a row, (For those of us that have had numerous synchronicities while dreaming), we gotta keep going.

As for me personally, there are only a certain number of times I can get the same result on the dice before my mind gives up on logic and reason.

For some it's 10 rolls. For some it takes 100 or maybe even 1,000 7's in a row. Then for others maybe they would never be persuaded to give up logic and reason because they can't SEE the force moving the dice and therefore can't prove it's there before they roll again.

And hence we have skeptics and believers arguing about the reality of shared dreaming.

-K

"I dont remember the dream, but what happened when the dream was over and i was beginning to wake up

somethings are better left unsaid....."

Hey Solarflare, around early feb 2011 like 6th or something, I made an effort (at least mentally) to share a dream with him, but never said I was go to directly to Nomad. Feb 23 2011 the following happened in sp this text is directly from a Thread I made on February 25th. Is this anything like your better left unsaid event? I did not yet friend him when this happened, but he's got some amazing dreams to read, amazing dream journal.

"I was already completely frozen and it was obvious I was not yet in a dream or having a false-awakening. I felt an strong presence, nothing out of the ordinary till it started making truly horrifying roars and grunts, stuff I couldn't properly explane to you if I had 200 pages of text to work with. The aura I felt was so strong, but still I was in my cool. I was thinking how cool it was this was all a figment of my subconscious until it got on top of me, and brothers let me tell you it did not feel like an illusion! And it sure didn't feel like comfy led not this thing. It penetrated my skin, or felt like it did"

If any of you have any... sourced information at your disposal, please private message it to me. I'm a massively interested and in depth studier into lucid dreaming, the next imaginable step past lucid dreaming... would definitely be shared dreaming. Any help would be great, even some back and forth ideas would be interesting and appreciated.

Why aren't these repetitive threads being merged with this one: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/shared...debate-120211/ ?

I just don't get the point of people asking the same exact question over and over again in newly created threads.

Just my two cents.

Originally Posted by Gills

Why aren't these repetitive threads being merged with this one: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/shared...debate-120211/ ?

I just don't get the point of people asking the same exact question over and over again in newly created threads.

Just my two cents.

Check the dates, hon.

This thread was created first.

And another thread just like it was created before this one.

And yet another was created before that one...

It's an endless, retarded cycle that drags on and on with no end in sight.

Also, stay on topic.

Hrm, I ran a search for 'mermaid' and wound up in this thread. No speck of the 'maid around but since I'm here . . . why not drag some dirt around the house.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Was gonna link you to an entry in my DJ that could be easily interpreted as shared (so you'd be forced to either re-evaluate your position or call me a liar), but the other person seems to have deleted every entry from that year. =/

Not cool.

Mzzkc's Mind Games - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I thought I made sure to leave a couple favorites still undeleted thank you very much.

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My two cents on shared dreaming: Possible.

It's neat thinking two people can share the same dream isn't it? I mean why not? Humans do other cool stuff with their minds, why not dream share?

The entire password validation has never worked for me. I find it's easier to direct (or pay attention to) environments/energy than it is to focus on a word or short series of words.

I've had confirmed shared dreams with people I don't know well and those I do. Haven't figured out what triggers them yet. They're awesome but not as awesome as some people seem to think they are. Yes, it's a cool thing. No, it won't pay the bills. Well... not yet anyway.