Thread: Dream sharing

I know this has already been discussed many times but i think if we found a stable way to connect it would in turn change the world forever and give LDreamers more credibility im a new user and thhis is what im intrested in most. im thinking this machine would have to work similar to the Dream machine
To have the seprate brains in the same state but would have to work somewhat like the machine in the movie Inception
with sedation so we know are timing is dead on and so that nobody messes up the pattern by waking up early. i know i sound crazy but i know its possible.

Sorry i had links but i cant post them until im a member for 7 days

I'm not a huge lucid myself but think of me as the designer of the machine you lucids out there would use since i cant go lucid on command. but im all for helping the cause of giving credibility to dreamers.please give suggestions comments design ideas scientific knowledge

I'm not sure what you are saying. Have you come up with a way to share dreams between people? Is it like the dream machine thing?

Personally I don't think dreams can be shared, or that you can meet up in dreams. It just doesn't make sense, you may as well say that people can project their thoughts into each others minds, there is no reason why it should work.

Still, I am interested in the contents of the link.

The science is that the dream state known as REM is only your mind hearing one symbol a sound in your bedroom which sparks of subconscious neurons in your mind causing a chain reaction your conscious mind uses this to create ideas while your subconsciousness just creates random scenarios, settings, memories,.......... dreams.

What im getting at is all it is, is transmitting that neuron activity to anothers mind i need people that will think scientifically and help me try to understand the way this machine would have to work in a real way not psychic or telepathy just hardcore science and engineering. Stable proof. this is my reasoning for why my machine might work but theres still research yet to be done and who better to ask then the best Dreamers on the web

I suppose dream sharing will become possible... thousands, if not tens of thousands of years later - when we may have the sort of technology that allows the assimilation and integration of people's subconscious minds. But definitely not 15yrs or anytime in this century for sure.

But just think about what scientists are already doing though soon people will have the means (with enough money) to grow whole limbs back in a matter of years. and all these lucids saying that they have done it already just pshyicically. all we got to do is find out the basic science behind it and develop a means like through the noosphere perhaps i would post a link but again i cant look it up science students at princeton have already connected through it. baiscally its the idea that all human subconcious is connected. or look up the lucid crossroads they seem a little crazy but the point is so many people are trying to do it why not us

There is no hardcore science or engineering work done into this- because it doesn't exist, or even make sense. What you are talking about IS telepathy and psychic powers. Transmitting ones thoughts to another, or collecting them somewhere where they can be accessed by people to share the dream.

It's not going to happen with what we have now, and it's not going to happen with what we can think of now. You can as well hope aliens come down tomorrow with the necessary tech to do it.

I sound like I'm being hard on you. I'm just telling you how it is.

Originally Posted by Origami

There is no hardcore science or engineering work done into this- because it doesn't exist, or even make sense. What you are talking about IS telepathy and psychic powers. Transmitting ones thoughts to another, or collecting them somewhere where they can be accessed by people to share the dream.

It's not going to happen with what we have now, and it's not going to happen with what we can think of now. You can as well hope aliens come down tomorrow with the necessary tech to do it.

I sound like I'm being hard on you. I'm just telling you how it is.

I fully agree. Shared dreaming is a farce, and reading about it just gives me headaches. The same goes for those who claim dream guides are special beings separate from other dream characters.

All shared dreamers should just go to the Randy Institute and prove their abilities.

Collect the money, what are you waiting for?

its alright its just that im not going to budge. and no pschic and telepathy is exactly the opposite of what im talking about, not to say it dosent happen, just saying some guy coming up and saying hey i just connected with sombody telepatically in my dream isnt really enough evidence.and no what makes it hardecore science and engineering is we have only scraps of info to work off of close to nothing. maybe your right maybe iam just lost in the clouds but i think its possible maybe not in the next 80 yrs or 800 yrs

Plz though keep an open mind if you could not ever have a lucid dream would you believe they were real there is no hardcore science or engineering behind that in fact im suprised i belive in them. i mean technically theres about as much proof that this machine is real as lucid dreams existing . just think about it and keep your miind open

Hooking yourself up to a machine, transmitting whatever you're experiencing into that machine which records it as good as it can, taking in visuals and audio only. Then into another brain. Perhaps one person can show the other the dream, or both be in some kind of virtual reality game at the same time. I think it will be possible but it's not going to happen within the next 15-20 years.

A dream recorder would be such an awesome device, it would be the perfect dream journal.

Existence of a dream recorder proves the existence of a machine that can read thought. A Mind-Reading machine (except its cool uses) would be unethical, since it would violate mental privacy. Not to mention mind-reading is a step behing mind-manipulating.

In my point of view, mind-reading would really change everything about the world as we know, where the world "society" won't exist. The benefits it will bring (always theoretically speaking) will exceed numerally, but the destruction they will bring will be the worst of the worst.

Always someone makes a bad use of something inteded for good!

I can believe in lucid dreams (without having had one) because 1000s of people can attest and claim to have had one. Thats how we know things are possible. If someone said that getting a highscore of 1,000,000,000,000 in tetris is possible, you wouldn't believe it until you either see it, see evidence to prove that it was done, or if 1000s of people say "Yep we saw him do it".

With dream sharing as an idea, it is up in the clouds. Firstly, it doesn't seem possible, secondly, it's never been done, or at least no one has ever had one and told us about it, or if they have, only a handful. And thirdly, I would like this to be true, but right now, I also would like teachable telepathy to be true- doesn't mean it's possible or real just because you want it to be or because there are a few little shreds of maybe evidence to prove so.

Theres that video of Bigfoot that you see on the internet. Man in a suit or the real deal- if thats all we have to go on, then he is occum's razor- the most obvious/simple solution, i.e. man in suit.

Originally Posted by Origami

I can believe in lucid dreams (without having had one) because 1000s of people can attest and claim to have had one. Thats how we know things are possible. If someone said that getting a highscore of 1,000,000,000,000 in tetris is possible, you wouldn't believe it until you either see it, see evidence to prove that it was done, or if 1000s of people say "Yep we saw him do it".

With dream sharing as an idea, it is up in the clouds. Firstly, it doesn't seem possible, secondly, it's never been done, or at least no one has ever had one and told us about it, or if they have, only a handful. And thirdly, I would like this to be true, but right now, I also would like teachable telepathy to be true- doesn't mean it's possible or real just because you want it to be or because there are a few little shreds of maybe evidence to prove so.

Theres that video of Bigfoot that you see on the internet. Man in a suit or the real deal- if thats all we have to go on, then he is occum's razor- the most obvious/simple solution, i.e. man in suit.

You forget to mention that lucid dreams are scientifically proven. It's not the thousands of people that say they have had them. It's the fact that there is science.

But before science proved lucid dreaming people thought it was fake. (some people)

There are people who believe that each individual mind is linked to something that ties them together. It is actually not uncommon to see people who believe that we all stem from a higher consciousness. And the thought of shared dreaming is supported by the people who think that everyone's mind is linked. Shared dreaming will never be excepted until it is scientifically proven. Just like lucid dreaming WAS.

The point I'm trying to make is that if you don't believe in it.. Stay out of beyond dreaming.

Im not saying it definatley is possible im saying it might be i just want to explore the idea. "reading about it gives me headaches" lol i like that feeling."Collect the money, what are you waiting for?" im not a shared dreamer and dont claim to be please dont get flustered im just exploring ideas. And i too think shared dreaming would be interesting i just like to explore scientific mystery's. I guess what it boils down to is not belief on whether its possible but if it were possible how would it be done.

This in no way was supposed to be an argumentive thread

what im talking about is biologic science concerning the brain and dreaming and anybodys thought on what it would take

NOT WHETHER IT'S POSSIBLE

I don't understand why everyone's bashing you, although it's an outrageous idea, You're a group of seriously negative people.
I think it would be possible, But it'd take so much research that nobody is doing.

Moved to Beyond Dreaming. c:

I'm not trying to argue with you, or prove you're wrong, or to shove my point of view down your throat.

You put up an idea, I'm telling you what I think of it, and since you didn't really understand from one post what I meant, I posted a few more times elaborating a bit.

I don't think you're a nutjob who thinks they can read people's minds and do all that inception stuff. Personally I hope something like this is invented during my lifetime. But honestly, I think it's impossible and as Rock4dreams said, potentially a very bad idea.

Thanks lol i like it when people dont think im a nut job lol

I think a shared dreaming machine would be very very possible. You're not a nut job But honestly, I think it would be a bad idea. For anyone to be able to do it on will, well you saw in inception, it wasn't exactly used for good purposes. I think if someone wants to share dreams, they should do it the natural way. Not an artificial way. But it will probably end up being through a machine because people tend to like artificial things now and are too lazy to actually work hard to achieve a goal. Plus, whoever invents it will become rich overnight because everyone will be buying it. So yes it will definitively happen eventually (unless we all die in 2012) but I think it's a really bad idea. I similarly don't like binaural beats because I think they're cheating, and also I think that its much better to be able to lucid dream without needing help from a digital drug. What happens if you can't use binaural beats any more for some reason, then you can't lucid dream. Learn lucid dreaming the real and natural way! And learn to share dreams the real and natural way! (Look at my sig

If you say using binaural beats and pills is cheating, then should we all ditch out lighters and go back to rubbing sticks together? They are aids, you can't get lucid with them alone. You can't just come home, shoes off, pj's on, hop in bed and pop a pill and off you go- you still need practice, patience, and discipline to get there.

If I didn't know any better I would say you wanted lucid dreaming to be an exclusive club with only people who are good at it are encouraged. But I know obviously you don't want that, but why are you against stuff that helps you? This shouldn't ALL be from your mind.

When I said that the dream machine and dream sharing isn't possible, I never said it was wrong. If one appeared and made it possible, I would be all over it, like you said, the inventor would be rich.

Originally Posted by Origami

If you say using binaural beats and pills is cheating, then should we all ditch out lighters and go back to rubbing sticks together? They are aids, you can't get lucid with them alone. You can't just come home, shoes off, pj's on, hop in bed and pop a pill and off you go- you still need practice, patience, and discipline to get there.

If I didn't know any better I would say you wanted lucid dreaming to be an exclusive club with only people who are good at it are encouraged. But I know obviously you don't want that, but why are you against stuff that helps you? This shouldn't ALL be from your mind.

When I said that the dream machine and dream sharing isn't possible, I never said it was wrong. If one appeared and made it possible, I would be all over it, like you said, the inventor would be rich.

It was just my personal opinion. I don't care if other people use aids. I was just saying that I would find it better to be a natural lucid dreamer because then the only thing you have to rely on is yourselves. What if you run out of pills? Then itll be harder to get lucid. What if for some reason you can't use bb anymore? Well if that was your main form of Lucidity then it'll be really hard for you to get naturally lucid. For lucid aids it's all just my preference, I really don't care what other people do they have a right to use aids it's cool by me. What I have a problem with is a shared dreaming machine. Yeah it'd be cool to instantly share dreams, but it would unleash a world of corruption if everyone could push a button and them share dreams. Just like you saw in inception, they used dream sharing to steal secrets and to take over corporations and such. That's what would happen if a dream sharing machine were to come out. Let your mind run wild with how it would be used. More bad would be used out of it than good. I think shared dreaming is a power that should be exclusive to only those who wouldn't abuse it. Learning shared dreaming the natural way is very difficult, that would take out a huge majority of people who wud use it for bad but are too lazy to learn shared dreaming.

I don't think that a machine to induce shared dreams would be a good idea, the wrong kind of people would be invading people's minds.
However, a machine than induces lucid dreams would be very useful. people could be lucid almost every night, giving them more chances to attempt a shared dream.

And to build the machine, that would be hard. Someone could fall asleep in an MRI machine, and when they wake up, report if they have any lucid dreams. You would be able to see the difference in brain patters from a normal dream and a lucid dream.
But I don't know what to do from there.

First off, we are implying a dream sharing machine is even possible- which it isn't, so all this we say is up in the air theoretical stuff. If one was made, where people could visit each other in dreams, then yes, it would unleash chaos and be more a menace than a tool for good use.

But saying that aids are bad is wrong, in my opinion. I'm not trying to say you are wrong now, let's get that straight first.
If people need help, then why shouldn't they get it? As I said, you cannot solely rely on aids to get you lucid, it just doesn't work like that. No one can just pop and lucid pill and hop off to dream land while you were stuck getting up at 4 am to get one. It won't ever come to that. But the fact that you did it the old, first and unimproved way doesn't make you or anyone a hardcore lucid dreamer who should be entitled to the prestige above people who needed and used aids. Since no one can ever just slide into a dream with no effort, then there is no reason why you, or anyone else who did it the old fashioned way, should be considered better or "genuine".

If you really thought that, then it would be like a fisherman calling people who use rods fake or cheaters just because he had to use his bare hands and quick reflexes back in the golden days.

Originally Posted by Origami

First off, we are implying a dream sharing machine is even possible- which it isn't, so all this we say is up in the air theoretical stuff. If one was made, where people could visit each other in dreams, then yes, it would unleash chaos and be more a menace than a tool for good use.

But saying that aids are bad is wrong, in my opinion. I'm not trying to say you are wrong now, let's get that straight first.
If people need help, then why shouldn't they get it? As I said, you cannot solely rely on aids to get you lucid, it just doesn't work like that. No one can just pop and lucid pill and hop off to dream land while you were stuck getting up at 4 am to get one. It won't ever come to that. But the fact that you did it the old, first and unimproved way doesn't make you or anyone a hardcore lucid dreamer who should be entitled to the prestige above people who needed and used aids. Since no one can ever just slide into a dream with no effort, then there is no reason why you, or anyone else who did it the old fashioned way, should be considered better or "genuine".

If you really thought that, then it would be like a fisherman calling people who use rods fake or cheaters just because he had to use his bare hands and quick reflexes back in the golden days.

I thought I made it clear that I don't care whether or not people use aids. I don't think they should or shouldn't. I was just saying for myself, I prefer not to use aids. Also at this point in time, there's no way you can know for absolute certainty that a dream sharing machine isn't possible. There's a lot we don't know about the brain, and technology is advancing at such a rapid rate, there's no way to know for sure. I hope you're right though in saying it's not possible. Cause if it was, we'd be screwed.

Okay, you can say a dream sharing machine is possible, but then you would also have to say (pretty much) that dinosaurs can be resurrected, because they did it with a mammoth.
Implausible as fuck, but still outside the realms of magic.
Still, no it's impossible.

" I similarly don't like binaural beats because I think they're cheating, and also I think that its much better to be able to lucid dream without needing help from a digital drug."

Yeah.

But that is your opinion, I am no one to say you can't have one. If people can just skirt along and get lucid with a single pill, then I would be really pissed, and jealous of them. I'm not saying it's cheating... just really ratty and annoying. It's like you practice 2 hours a day for a year to be able to slam dunk- then some arsehole comes along and with the pop of a steriod pill grows 3 feet in one night and can slam dunk from the center line.

It's a real kick in the balls.