Thread: International Oneironaut Shared Dreaming Project

Originally Posted by Atras

Please send me your entry. I don't want to have to go through everyone's dream journal to find their entry's so unless you send it to me, it won't get posted.

Also that's a good idea, between now and the next attempt we will be discussing alot of that stuff.

Done

Thanks for all the work you are putting into this man.

No problem

Hey everyone, for now it looks like the next attempt will be the weekend of the 15th to the 17th.

there was one thread about how to go to a new location... pull out a seed from your pocket and place it on the earth. Imagine your place and look how the seed is growing it will change all the enviroment. but focus just on the seed and nothing else.

Originally Posted by ReachingForTheDream

Not much better tonight. Still too restless to sleep. Somehow managed to recall a dream but no resemblance to the pyramid. Only managed to sleep for about 5 hours.

FU female body >.<

Yeah I know what you mean, my cycle has fucked up my sleeping schedule this week too.

My plan is to "draw a door, knock three times", Beetlejuice style. Never been a great teleporter.

Originally Posted by Cay

My plan is to "draw a door, knock three times", Beetlejuice style. Never been a great teleporter.

I am not good at teleporting either haha. I think I will do something similair to yours, its what they do in the movie Pan's Labyrinth.

Get a piece of chalk, draw a door on a wall. And open it, and then on the other side will be the pyramid

I will have to say no, I like it at chichen Itza, even though i haven't gotten there yet i've been incubating it!

And Puffin, great logo man! it's beautiful

Originally Posted by neurosisfish

I will have to say no, I like it at chichen Itza, even though i haven't gotten there yet i've been incubating it!

And Puffin, great logo man! it's beautiful

Cool cool. And remember, next attempt is the weekend of the 15th-17th.

I feel we need to keep details and all that jazz consistent...I think someone said before if we keep switching the destination or ques all the time we will have less success. I like the current location and I don't think we should change it for a bit yet, I mean we've had success with this place so far. And for the pairs idea, maybe those who think they have a connection can do like a side project for the off nights if they wanted....but of course for the main objective keep it simple and consistent.

Originally Posted by hprib012

I feel we need to keep details and all that jazz consistent...I think someone said before if we keep switching the destination or ques all the time we will have less success. I like the current location and I don't think we should change it for a bit yet, I mean we've had success with this place so far. And for the pairs idea, maybe those who think they have a connection can do like a side project for the off nights if they wanted....but of course for the main objective keep it simple and consistent.

I agree. I Just wasn't sure if people wanted to change or not so I was leaving it up to you guys to decide.

Originally Posted by Atras

I agree. I Just wasn't sure if people wanted to change or not so I was leaving it up to you guys to decide.

Which is always good.

P.S. the dream journal I sent you was from saturday night...dunno if you want to notate that or not because it's titled "4th attempt" when that would be on the 3rd night's attempts...in case someone spots a similarity.

Originally Posted by hprib012

Which is always good.

P.S. the dream journal I sent you was from saturday night...dunno if you want to notate that or not because it's titled "4th attempt" when that would be on the 3rd night's attempts...in case someone spots a similarity.

Oh my bad, Ill change that.

Alright should be good now.

Originally Posted by Sageous

The planes of higher consciousness on which you seek to tread were not designed around the English language or, gods help us all, video game costumes. Perception is an incredibly subjective thing, even among people who share similar interests. This is true in the waking world, and infinitely more true in the dreaming worlds, where all creation is up to the dreamer. What you are trying to look like might -- no, probably will -- wind up being something much different by the time the image is perceived by another dreamer. Even that beacon might be perceived differently as each dreamer witnesses it.

I'd like throw in a theory about parallel dreamverses which might be based on mythlogies as well as let's say videogames. To my experience dreamworld is tied to imagination. Some parts are wild territories of absurdities where blades would look very much like mitten wearing chicken costumed lamp posts but some are more stabile and shared. How many people visited Middle Earth after LOTR movies? Did there happen any shared dreaming? Did it effect this imaginable place? I could claim that people who read LOTR-books in 60's dreamt of very different and subjectivly created Middle Earth, but after the movies got out those dreams started to share common characteristics from the movies. If it's so that waking life imagination somehow affects dreamworld on a collective level, it's should be very full of places that resemble some worlds of videogames, movies and literature. On a personal level it's very much so.

When people are wathching a theatre performance they build up a imaginative view of every thing that is presented. Illusion that is somewhat collective and somewhat subjective. Things that are left to imagination by loose propping or no propping at all are most real in a sense illusion as they are experienced to exist but they exist in imaginative realm/dream. Those things diverce also most subjectivly. What happens in imaginative realm when someone on stage takes a phonecall to let's say another city and you only see him and a phone and hear what he is saying? Audience creates a imaginative place in an imaginative other town where someone is talking to the caller. Then again if stage is seperated to two spaces which represent different locations where two people are talking through phone imagination doesn't make so subjective picture of the other because audience sees both (but the imagination creates distance between if it's suggested that they are far away from each other). These are exaples that descibe how we make imaginative worlds and something about what is the subjective and collective illusion.

If we believe stories of Nomad & friends it seems that they have collective and quite stabile yet dreamlike space in the Moon which they visit constantly. Even in stabile place there is lot of subjective dreaming and dreamenism as in the kitchen exaple of Cusp and Nomad. But it should be possible to get any place collectivly very stabile so that the memories of meeting become very unequivocal.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Again, I'm not being skeptical here; just realistic. Instead of trying to present unique images to each other, you guys might consider agreeing to all concentrate as you go to sleep on one shared image (a la that pyramid) of yourselves, so that there is a running theme buried a little deeper in your consciousnesses when you meet. That might be something that gets recognized by all.

Shared image as focus and shared dream of the place dreamt also during waking hours is needed, but unique images of other dreamers should also work as guiding signs. Even if you manufacture them yourself they should help you remember your goal and become lucid.

Some subgoals might also be usefull to clear the path towards pyramids. They can make the journey more intresting so that enthusiasm doesn't die as you get subbreakthroughts and story goes on. They also help to map the subconscious boundaries and storylines that work against the intention. I'm refering to something like these quests to first aquire airline tickets and later to find an airport that dream hackers did.

PS while searching for that test I found that they too did try to find a way to a Mayan pyramid while mapping their view of the dreamworld.

Aye aye! I will be camping, but i will still try
i'll bring my B6

and i guess we will be focusing on 12 as well

Originally Posted by labyrint

I'd like throw in a theory about parallel dreamverses which might be based on mythlogies as well as let's say videogames. To my experience dreamworld is tied to imagination. Some parts are wild territories of absurdities where blades would look very much like mitten wearing chicken costumed lamp posts but some are more stabile and shared. How many people visited Middle Earth after LOTR movies? Did there happen any shared dreaming? Did it effect this imaginable place? I could claim that people who read LOTR-books in 60's dreamt of very different and subjectivly created Middle Earth, but after the movies got out those dreams started to share common characteristics from the movies. If it's so that waking life imagination somehow affects dreamworld on a collective level, it's should be very full of places that resemble some worlds of videogames, movies and literature. On a personal level it's very much so.

When people are wathching a theatre performance they build up a imaginative view of every thing that is presented. Illusion that is somewhat collective and somewhat subjective. Things that are left to imagination by loose propping or no propping at all are most real in a sense illusion as they are experienced to exist but they exist in imaginative realm/dream. Those things diverce also most subjectivly. What happens in imaginative realm when someone on stage takes a phonecall to let's say another city and you only see him and a phone and hear what he is saying? Audience creates a imaginative place in an imaginative other town where someone is talking to the caller. Then again if stage is seperated to two spaces which represent different locations where two people are talking through phone imagination doesn't make so subjective picture of the other because audience sees both (but the imagination creates distance between if it's suggested that they are far away from each other). These are exaples that descibe how we make imaginative worlds and something about what is the subjective and collective illusion.

If we believe stories of Nomad & friends it seems that they have collective and quite stabile yet dreamlike space in the Moon which they visit constantly. Even in stabile place there is lot of subjective dreaming and dreamenism as in the kitchen exaple of Cusp and Nomad. But it should be possible to get any place collectivly very stabile so that the memories of meeting become very unequivocal.



Shared image as focus and shared dream of the place dreamt also during waking hours is needed, but unique images of other dreamers should also work as guiding signs. Even if you manufacture them yourself they should help you remember your goal and become lucid.

Some subgoals might also be usefull to clear the path towards pyramids. They can make the journey more intresting so that enthusiasm doesn't die as you get subbreakthroughts and story goes on. They also help to map the subconscious boundaries and storylines that work against the intention. I'm refering to something like these quests to first aquire airline tickets and later to find an airport that dream hackers did.

PS while searching for that test I found that they too did try to find a way to a Mayan pyramid while mapping their view of the dreamworld.

So you're saying, we should have tasks that the dreamers have to fulfill in order to kinda, shape common experiences among them while trying to get to the pyramid?

If anyone wants to try and make it to the Pyramid, I'll be practicing throughout this week to get comfortable making it there.

Originally Posted by WhiteWind

If anyone wants to try and make it to the Pyramid, I'll be practicing throughout this week to get comfortable making it there.

Awesome. If I become lucid that's where I'll be.

Originally Posted by Atras

Awesome. If I become lucid that's where I'll be.

Same here.

Originally Posted by Atras

So you're saying, we should have tasks that the dreamers have to fulfill in order to kinda, shape common experiences among them while trying to get to the pyramid?

It could be usefull. In dream hacker method they are trying to map personal dreamworlds to achieve shared dreaming and cultivate the skill of moving from location to location. If whole way to pyramids gets documented to dreamjournals it could lead to shared meetings along the way. Let's say someone had read from some other dream jounal that the other has been in this place in dreaming he could regonize the setting and become lucid. Heck even meet the persone who is stucked there in his dream. This is if you believe their method is working.

Another think is that this makes less signifigant dreams during the project signifigant if look them as part of journey and dreams you end up obstacles that will teach you something about your subconsciousness. When same obstacle/dream/situation comes back you might be able get lucid and more creative on how you can move forward.

You could give it a try.

Originally Posted by labyrint

It could be usefull. In dream hacker method they are trying to map personal dreamworlds to achieve shared dreaming and cultivate the skill of moving from location to location. If whole way to pyramids gets documented to dreamjournals it could lead to shared meetings along the way. Let's say someone had read from some other dream jounal that the other has been in this place in dreaming he could regonize the setting and become lucid. Heck even meet the persone who is stucked there in his dream. This is if you believe their method is working.

Another think is that this makes less signifigant dreams during the project signifigant if look them as part of journey and dreams you end up obstacles that will teach you something about your subconsciousness. When same obstacle/dream/situation comes back you might be able get lucid and more creative on how you can move forward.

You could give it a try.

I really like your idea. I'll give it some thought. That is a good way to keep people interested, cause it will give them goals, and even if they don't make it, they still might have achieved something. I like it. Good job

Subgoal could be something like: get the map of the Mexico. As in dream hacker exaple you could just take it out of your pocket if you have enough control or buy it somewhere. Later on it could serve as a focus. For some it could even work as a portal (I have dived into paintings and pictures in my dreams, it should work with a map).

Everyone: Let's keep going to the Pyramid guys!

Me to myself: dammit, i want to go somewhere else

Originally Posted by Suicideking

Everyone: Let's keep going to the Pyramid guys!

Me to myself: dammit, i want to go somewhere else

Sorry the majority has spoken Its better if we stick with this location because Alot of people have this on their mind and have been trying hard to get there, and it would be like going back to square one if we change. If we go too long with no results, we'll change, but I dont think that will happen

Also Labyrint, I like it. I'm gonna think about some goals that we could use. Thanks for your input.