Thread: International Oneironaut Shared Dreaming Project

good reason. I will shut up.

Originally Posted by Atras

Hahahahah I love the pictures nomad.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by NightSpy2

Man Nomad, did you draw those?
Well, the chicken one???

No. I just found them on the internets.

Originally Posted by NightSpy2

Yea I'll try.
I'm going to see if my mate can use his debit card to buy me some Choline Bitartrate.

Or you could buy pomegranate juice or fruits. It occurs naturally in pomegranates!

Originally Posted by Atras

Hey guys, I'm slowly sending all the pm's, Dreamviews only allows me to send it to 10 people every 60 minutes.

Thanks for the work.

Originally Posted by pichulick

I haven't slept this night ( thursday-friday). maybe tonight I will LD... but when I will arrive at the piramids will it be a problem if I call Bob Marley and sing and smoke with him??? because music is the most high...

Right on. I smoked with Jesus Christ. It was epic.

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

Name: Rob
Age 26.
location: mountain standard time.
Lucidity... not often.. but irrelevant since most of my shared dreams have been non lucid. I can command my dream body to go wherever I want before sleep with intent.
description: Short man with glasses. sometimes a few days beard growth. apparently big muscles. I usually wear jeans and t shirt sometimes with a jacket.

on top of all the tasks I invite any friendlies to my inner world... which is basically a regular house with all my sentient DCs inside. My dream wife Asuka and our children, data, from star trek. I promise it will be fun if you visit. Watch out for Asuka... she's been known to play semi mean pranks on other dreamers. If she's nice you'll get to try her cookies! they are great.

Originally Posted by pichulick

so can we stop with this timezone thing? for all those who think time matters... if we have this "super power" to connect our minds telepathically why can't you believe time is irrelevant?

It helps to try and go to sleep at the same time, but is not necessary.

Originally Posted by Atras

its good to know what timezones people are in anyways. I don't see how it can hurt.

Yes.

Right on. I smoked with Jesus Christ. It was epic.

:O:O:O Holy Smokes! Literally!

Ok then, doesn't hurt to try.

Name: Nataliia/Natasha
Physical description: 1m65cm, waist long dark honey blonde hair, very curly, green eyes, very pale skin, 20 years old
Astral description: if I don't look like myself, then it's going to be completely random - may look like a man or an old lady or an animal...irrelevant. Should work on it.
Frequency of ld's: normally, not on a dry spell - once a week
Timezone: GMT +8

Hey guys, I will join you as well but I have to improve my LD average (2-3 per months so far) first. I didn't read all of it yet, just wanted to let you know that I think theCusp made a good suggestion concerning the time. In my opinion I think one week is a good intervall. I think this project is awesome, good luck!

Thank you for letting me join

Its official, we will have a Naruto themed ninja fight in the future when we are all a little more experienced.

Btw: You cant be a Naruto character, thats cheating, use some creativity and make your own! We will pick a battlearea later

Haha I'm not neji I just wear his clothes
I use a similar fighting style but I invented my own techniques. See you in the dreamworld and you better be ready...

There is no cheating in dreams. There are no rules. It's impossible to prevent him from becoming God, Satan, or The Cookie Monster.

Well but isn't it boring in a shared dream battle if everyone is invincible? Maybe make special rules just for battles against other dreamers.

For the shared dreaming I don't think that timezones are important at all. The time in the dream world is much different...

Cya Tonight

I'm in

-Your real name (Brian Jarvis)

-Your physical description: 6'0, well built with mid length hair between blonde and brown in color. (Dirty blonde.) Blue eyes.

-Your astral description: From what I've observed, about the same but with much more hair, like Squall from Final Fantasy VIII but still dirty blonde.

-Your frequency of ld's: Based on my level of dedication, between 1-5

-Your timezone: MST. Utah is where I call home.

Okay, here’s the thing.

Now I am by no means a skeptic -- indeed, I am a firm believer in the underlying forces that make dream sharing not only possible but likely a thing that happens all the time, whether we know it or not. Kudos to you Atras for putting this expedition together…But I do see a real problem with one aspect: How will you ever recognize each other, even if you do all manage to align your thought energy into one single dream? Think about it…who among you can actually say exactly what you look like in a dream, much less what shape other people might assign to you when your consciousness arrives at the temple?

Though you are sure that you look just right, your presence might be perceived by others as something completely different than you expect, and each of the others there might see something completely different. For instance, you might show up, feeling all prepped in your dream character/video game garb, but someone else there might see you as a lamppost, while someone else sees a boulder, and yet another sees a purple giraffe. And vise-versa: you might arrive at the temple (or rather the temple-construct you guys cleverly used to determine a unified plane of thought -- good move BTW) and find yourself surrounded by Japanese tourists angry at your intrusion into their photos, or maybe an assortment of street signs or a clan of spider monkeys. Anyway, I think you get my point: The dream sharing might work perfectly, but without a real frame of reference there is no way you’ll be able to recognize that you’re all meeting.

What would be real? I think that this experiment would work if you all knew each other very well -- as in for many years, to the point where you can finish each other’s sentences; in other words a deep intimacy exists between you, one that that can transcend simple visual signals. Then at least there would be some frame of reference that might actually accompany your consciousness into the dream. Powerful things like dream sharing are driven by things that are deeper than human perception; to intentionally share dreams really does require more prep than a name and a description.

That said, for what it’s worth I’ll likely be nosing around that temple next time because hey, you never know!

Sorry in advance…I’ll take whatever hits you care to throw at me now…

Originally Posted by Sageous

Okay, here’s the thing.

Now I am by no means a skeptic -- indeed, I am a firm believer in the underlying forces that make dream sharing not only possible but likely a thing that happens all the time, whether we know it or not. Kudos to you Atras for putting this expedition together…But I do see a real problem with one aspect: How will you ever recognize each other, even if you do all manage to align your thought energy into one single dream? Think about it…who among you can actually say exactly what you look like in a dream, much less what shape other people might assign to you when your consciousness arrives at the temple?

Though you are sure that you look just right, your presence might be perceived by others as something completely different than you expect, and each of the others there might see something completely different. For instance, you might show up, feeling all prepped in your dream character/video game garb, but someone else there might see you as a lamppost, while someone else sees a boulder, and yet another sees a purple giraffe. And vise-versa: you might arrive at the temple (or rather the temple-construct you guys cleverly used to determine a unified plane of thought -- good move BTW) and find yourself surrounded by Japanese tourists angry at your intrusion into their photos, or maybe an assortment of street signs or a clan of spider monkeys. Anyway, I think you get my point: The dream sharing might work perfectly, but without a real frame of reference there is no way you’ll be able to recognize that you’re all meeting.

What would be real? I think that this experiment would work if you all knew each other very well -- as in for many years, to the point where you can finish each other’s sentences; in other words a deep intimacy exists between you, one that that can transcend simple visual signals. Then at least there would be some frame of reference that might actually accompany your consciousness into the dream. Powerful things like dream sharing are driven by things that are deeper than human perception; to intentionally share dreams really does require more prep than a name and a description.

That said, for what it’s worth I’ll likely be nosing around that temple next time because hey, you never know!

Sorry in advance…I’ll take whatever hits you care to throw at me now…

That's why we're supposed to set the beacon atop of the temple, so other know to look for someone who might be a dreamer. And once we're awake we compare our dream journals to see if it really was that other person. Some of us also know how others can recognize us. For example, I am most likely carrying two Keyblades, Katsuno is wearing specific clothes and Alpha is a lizard. At least that's what we're trying to look like.

I understand your point but well just have to risk MrIrony looking like a lampost

Originally Posted by Atras

I understand your point but well just have to risk MrIrony looking like a lampost

Hah!

Yes, but MrIrony, how will you know that your two keyblades will actually look like two keyblades to someone else? One man's keyblade might be another man's furry mitten...

The planes of higher consciousness on which you seek to tread were not designed around the English language or, gods help us all, video game costumes. Perception is an incredibly subjective thing, even among people who share similar interests. This is true in the waking world, and infinitely more true in the dreaming worlds, where all creation is up to the dreamer. What you are trying to look like might -- no, probably will -- wind up being something much different by the time the image is perceived by another dreamer. Even that beacon might be perceived differently as each dreamer witnesses it.

Again, I'm not being skeptical here; just realistic. Instead of trying to present unique images to each other, you guys might consider agreeing to all concentrate as you go to sleep on one shared image (a la that pyramid) of yourselves, so that there is a running theme buried a little deeper in your consciousnesses when you meet. That might be something that gets recognized by all.

Either that, or make a point of greeting every lamp post you see as a fellow dreamer!

Originally Posted by Sageous

Okay, here’s the thing.

Now I am by no means a skeptic -- indeed, I am a firm believer in the underlying forces that make dream sharing not only possible but likely a thing that happens all the time, whether we know it or not. Kudos to you Atras for putting this expedition together…But I do see a real problem with one aspect: How will you ever recognize each other, even if you do all manage to align your thought energy into one single dream? Think about it…who among you can actually say exactly what you look like in a dream, much less what shape other people might assign to you when your consciousness arrives at the temple?

Though you are sure that you look just right, your presence might be perceived by others as something completely different than you expect, and each of the others there might see something completely different. For instance, you might show up, feeling all prepped in your dream character/video game garb, but someone else there might see you as a lamppost, while someone else sees a boulder, and yet another sees a purple giraffe. And vise-versa: you might arrive at the temple (or rather the temple-construct you guys cleverly used to determine a unified plane of thought -- good move BTW) and find yourself surrounded by Japanese tourists angry at your intrusion into their photos, or maybe an assortment of street signs or a clan of spider monkeys. Anyway, I think you get my point: The dream sharing might work perfectly, but without a real frame of reference there is no way you’ll be able to recognize that you’re all meeting.

What would be real? I think that this experiment would work if you all knew each other very well -- as in for many years, to the point where you can finish each other’s sentences; in other words a deep intimacy exists between you, one that that can transcend simple visual signals. Then at least there would be some frame of reference that might actually accompany your consciousness into the dream. Powerful things like dream sharing are driven by things that are deeper than human perception; to intentionally share dreams really does require more prep than a name and a description.

That said, for what it’s worth I’ll likely be nosing around that temple next time because hey, you never know!

Sorry in advance…I’ll take whatever hits you care to throw at me now…

While what you said makes sense, plenty of people on DV have succeeded with shared dreaming without knowing each other at all beforehand.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Yes, but MrIrony, how will you know that your two keyblades will actually look like two keyblades to someone else? One man's keyblade might be another man's furry mitten...

The planes of higher consciousness on which you seek to tread were not designed around the English language or, gods help us all, video game costumes. Perception is an incredibly subjective thing, even among people who share similar interests. This is true in the waking world, and infinitely more true in the dreaming worlds, where all creation is up to the dreamer. What you are trying to look like might -- no, probably will -- wind up being something much different by the time the image is perceived by another dreamer. Even that beacon might be perceived differently as each dreamer witnesses it.

Again, I'm not being skeptical here; just realistic. Instead of trying to present unique images to each other, you guys might consider agreeing to all concentrate as you go to sleep on one shared image (a la that pyramid) of yourselves, so that there is a running theme buried a little deeper in your consciousnesses when you meet. That might be something that gets recognized by all.

Either that, or make a point of greeting every lamp post you see as a fellow dreamer!

That's fine too, whatever works. Or then I will be known as the walking, mitten-wearing lamp post. (Good thing those things are rare in jungles.) We will see how things turn out to be.

well we will have to test that theory out

What you are trying to look like might -- no, probably will -- wind up being something much different by the time the image is perceived by another dreamer

like nomad what did he look like did he look like what he describers himself to be ? and others ?

ok, I'm gonna eat peanut butter and apple before bed to have enough energy to do shared dreaming
mayan temple, beacon, number 38, penut butter + apple...perfect!

Originally Posted by Windhover@

ok, I'm gonna eat peanut butter and apple before bed to have enough energy to do shared dreaming
mayan temple, beacon, number 38, penut butter + apple...perfect!

Peanut butter...?

Mmmmmm that sounds good.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Okay, here’s the thing.

Now I am by no means a skeptic -- indeed, I am a firm believer in the underlying forces that make dream sharing not only possible but likely a thing that happens all the time, whether we know it or not. Kudos to you Atras for putting this expedition together…But I do see a real problem with one aspect: How will you ever recognize each other, even if you do all manage to align your thought energy into one single dream? Think about it…who among you can actually say exactly what you look like in a dream, much less what shape other people might assign to you when your consciousness arrives at the temple?

Though you are sure that you look just right, your presence might be perceived by others as something completely different than you expect, and each of the others there might see something completely different. For instance, you might show up, feeling all prepped in your dream character/video game garb, but someone else there might see you as a lamppost, while someone else sees a boulder, and yet another sees a purple giraffe. And vise-versa: you might arrive at the temple (or rather the temple-construct you guys cleverly used to determine a unified plane of thought -- good move BTW) and find yourself surrounded by Japanese tourists angry at your intrusion into their photos, or maybe an assortment of street signs or a clan of spider monkeys. Anyway, I think you get my point: The dream sharing might work perfectly, but without a real frame of reference there is no way you’ll be able to recognize that you’re all meeting.

WHile your concerns are relevant, we know enough about how shared dreaming works now to recognize when shared dreaming is taking place. Each dreamer creates their own version of the shared dream. Each person is in their own individual dream, even though it's still a shared dream. The means that each person individually creates everything in their dream, so there will be differences in perception.

But these differences are only superficial, and essentially describe the same thing on an archetypal level. Like one of MOSH's shared dreams, one dreamer says "Hey, you're naked" and the other looks down to see he's wearing nothing but tighty whiteys. A father and son dream of going into a restaurant, for the father it's a Denny's, for the son it's a Wendy's.

One with Nomad and I: I'm on the moon, and for some reason I find a kitchen. While I'm in the kitchen, Nomad is dreaming about some epic battle (also on the moon I think) and randomly yells "To the kitchen!!!" and leads his troops to the kitchen. Back in my dream a gangster gun battle has broken out in the kitchen. We didn't directly interact, but there was some cross over of themes there.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Yes, but MrIrony, how will you know that your two keyblades will actually look like two keyblades to someone else? One man's keyblade might be another man's furry mitten...

I don't know what a key blade is, but it's highly unlikely they would appear as furry mittens. In all likely hood, it would appear as a bladed weapon of some form, just not necessarily the exact same thing in each dream. 3 different dreamers could see 3 different bladed weapons, but they wouldn't each see something completely random like a banana, a beer, and a penguin.

Originally Posted by MrIrony

Peanut butter...?

yup http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/peanut...dreams-110952/

Lol penguinblade!

I love you all! lol tonight is the night! lets make it count!

Originally Posted by Windhover@

yup http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/peanut...dreams-110952/

Really? Huh.

Originally Posted by Atras

Lol penguinblade!

Please, stop, you crack me up!

Nicely said, the Cusp!

I'll take my toys and go now, and again wish all of you the best of luck!

I look forward to read about the results, unless of course I find out earlier, some other way!