Thread: International Oneironaut Shared Dreaming Project

Originally Posted by Atras

We have almost 100 members, I don't think too many people felt unwanted. I could have been more specific but honestly, it's pretty obvious what I meant, your the first person EVER to have said something about my skeptic rule, considering that people on dv like to argue, that tells me that most people knew what I meant. I take what you said into consideration and will get a mod to fix it, but there's no point in continuously arguing about this.

They like to argue on ED, not so much BD, not anymore at least, I posted because it wasn't discussed actually, I like to read whole threads before bringing up an issue that has already been discussed, anyway I agree, it isn't worth arguing anymore about this.

Originally Posted by Atras

We have almost 100 members, I don't think too many people felt unwanted.

I hope everybody realizes that having 100 members means that if we don't produce at least several rock solid dream logs that suggest evidence of shared dreaming (by rock solid, I mean two people seemingly sharing dreams, without having contaminated the information before it was recorded) then we have failed and damaged this communities perception of shared dreaming forever.

A lot of weight on our shoulders now.

I'd go as far to say that when recording dreams you think are shared:

- Write them in your DJ immediately being as specific as possible
- Put the dream log on your computer
- Place the text editor window containing the dream log next to another separate window of an official world time & date website in your browser
- Take a photo (not a screen cap) of your computer screen
- Post your DJ entry a full 24 hours afterwards

This may seem drastic, but it not only proves you had and recorded the dream earlier (using the world time & date) to prevent any allegation of contaminated evidence or joint fraud, but by taking a photo of the screen (rather than a screen cap) it prevents allegation of Photoshop work.

Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by Loaf

I hope everybody realizes that having 100 members means that if we don't produce at least several rock solid dream logs that suggest evidence of shared dreaming (by rock solid, I mean two people seemingly sharing dreams, without having contaminated the information before it was recorded) then we have failed and damaged this communities perception of shared dreaming forever.

A lot of weight on our shoulders now.

I'd go as far to say that when recording dreams you think are shared:

- Write them in your DJ immediately being as specific as possible
- Put the dream log on your computer
- Place the text editor window containing the dream log next to another separate window of an official world time & date website in your browser
- Take a photo (not a screen cap) of your computer screen
- Post your DJ entry a full 24 hours afterwards

This may seem drastic, but it not only proves you had and recorded the dream earlier (using the world time & date) to prevent any allegation of contaminated evidence or joint fraud, but by taking a photo of the screen (rather than a screen cap) it prevents allegation of Photoshop work.

Just sayin'.

The project isn't about proving SD real now is it? I asked about that and was told that its not a concern of the members. If it was, reading other peoples DJs and meeting at specific locations should also be forbidden.

Originally Posted by Hukif

The project isn't about proving SD real now is it? I asked about that and was told that its not a concern of the members. If it was, reading other peoples DJs and meeting at specific locations should also be forbidden.

It's not a primary concern, because even if we went as far out as Loaf suggests, there would still be skeptics and non-believers. The IOSDP is about experimenting with others to uncover the basis for sharing dreams, and plus it's fun and exciting x)

So if you're a hardcore disbeliever, you can stay that way. If you want to believe all you have to do is try it out for yourself ^.^

Originally Posted by Hukif

The project isn't about proving SD real now is it?

Perhaps not, but that won't stop people looking towards projects like this to gain their own opinion on whether or not shared dreaming is real. Either you can inspire a community to join in, or contribute to the outcasting of what is currently viewed as a radical BD belief.

I'd like to join
Nathan.
Uh, medium height? xD
Tan body, slightly fat. brown hair, brown eyes. Spiked up.

Originally Posted by yuppie11975

I'd like to join
Nathan.
Uh, medium height? xD
Tan body, slightly fat. brown hair, brown eyes. Spiked up.

Welcome . Like Atras said, please sign up in the official sign up thread.

Please look at the original post and click on the sign up link. Thanks.

I did

Lol I agree with Ed. Almost every single one of my posts on extended dIscussion ha been brutally hacked to pieces xD

who the heck is ED?

Originally Posted by TheModernNinja

who the heck is ED?

I'm Ed(win)

Extended discussion.

Hey, I know this might sound like a question, but what's a 'bump'?
Like, i've seen it on forums and I think I know what it means, but I'm not sure..

Explain anyone?

Originally Posted by NightSpy2

Hey, I know this might sound like a question, but what's a 'bump'?
Like, i've seen it on forums and I think I know what it means, but I'm not sure..

Explain anyone?

Bumping this thread back up from the depths of hell, that's what! x)

I'm curious, can anyone summarize some of the results/experiences of the IOSDP so far? How are things going? Have you found any common factors that seem to lead to more success in DS? Factors that seem to prevent success?

Originally Posted by Naiya

I'm curious, can anyone summarize some of the results/experiences of the IOSDP so far? How are things going?

Quite good so far. We were on a low for a bit, as Atras couldn't be around as much, but we are back on track now. As for results, we had some good ones as we started out; now, we are still getting results, but they are more synchronicities, rather than actually meeting each other in the Astral Realm whilst lucid. (By synchronicities I mean that two (or more) Oneironauts dream of quite the same scenario, etc. e.g. Three Oneironauts dream that they are in a wide open field with lush green grass and a big oak in the middle.)

Originally Posted by Naiya

Have you found any common factors that seem to lead to more success in DS? Factors that seem to prevent success?

As far as I know, Naiya, not yet. Although I have a few theories and ideas of my own, they still need to be tested out before they are proven effective.

Hope that helped!

Um again, big difference between disbeliever and skeptic, one refuses to accept, the other doubts.
Also, having an organized form is still fun if not better, plus it also helps make the experience more credible to any outsiders and may draw more attention, of course thats just my opinion as someone who have done slightly more formal experiments with SDing.

Oh, also I am a skeptic and still believe in SDing, just don't trust the DV stuff at all.

I didn't say we weren't organized, just that we don't take extreme measures in documenting every single person's dreams is all.

There's no need to go to any extremes. The method I've used when trying DS with others is simple. We plan an attempt on a certain night. The following day, we do not speak to each other, at least nothing about our dreams or give away any hints, and we both journal. When we are both finished journaling, we post our dreams at the same time. This may not be rock solid proof to others, who can always accuse us of giving away details in private, but it can be proof to the two people making the attempt.

An alternative to this is to have all dream journals sent to a third party who posts the dreams at the same time later. Again, you have to rely on the honesty of the participants not to communicate with one another. This is how it was done when I was in a formal SD experiment for a dream researcher, and it seemed to work fairly well. I know your goal isn't to prove anything, but I think it's important to have some amount of objectivity in your way of conducting these experiments, if nothing else, to show to yourselves that the results you get are not contaminated.

The results you guys have seen so far are about the same as the results of the experiment I was in. While we didn't have any definitive results of having meetings and conversations remembered, we did have a few very interesting similarities and specific details in some of our dreams. IMO, we may have had better results if we'd known one another (the experiment dictated that we must all be strangers). Also, the dream group in the experiment had only a few who could LD regularly. The group included believers of SDing as well as nonbelievers and those who were neutral. I think that it helps a great deal when the partners 1. know each other; and 2. are both or all experienced LDers. But again, that's just my guess. I was proven wrong in the experiment in that I believed SD was impossible for people in different time zones. I was forced to rethink how SDing might work.

Good luck to you guys.

Anyone interested in sharing dreams should check out our forum!
IOSDP forum!
There you can check it out and if you like it you can even sign up for our next attempt, on the weekend of the 7th!

Hey guys. Just wanted to say a few things. Pretty soon I may or may not have to do some jailtime depending on how my trial goes. Regardless, keeping up with conversations on here is difficult even as a free man as lately I tend to remain in my dreams for what seem like long extended periods of time. You could call this escapism and I wouldn't disagree with you.

Anyways, I'm very interesting in shared dreaming. I'm not really interested in proving it possible to the world, dreamviews forum, or even just this group as a whole though. I mostly want to improve my abilities so that I can do this more often and maybe provide some sort of solid proof for just the individuals involved. This being myself and anyone else I happen to come into contact with. For me though it's less about proof and more about getting the technique down and figuring out what works as I have had a confirmed shared dream twice which is all the proof I need that this sort of thing is possible.

Based on past experiences I believe that no matter what evidence is posted despite attempts to obtain good proof/evidence, most people simply wont believe in something as far-fetched as shared dreaming unless they experience it themselves. That's why I would like to dish out proof to 1 person at a time through them having the shared dream experience for their self and being able to verify it afterwards.

I consider myself a pretty skilled LDer because ever since around when I was 4 years old and didn't even know what LDs were, I have almost always been aware of the fact that I am dreaming within my dreams. As a result I started trying to control my dreams on my own at a mere 4 years old and I have had a lot of time to practice since then being 24 years old now.

I will be attempting to enter ANYONE and everyone's dreams including this group but I will literally be reaching out to anyone I possibly can, so watch out dreamers of planet Earth here I come! I am a shape-shifter and come in many forms. Many of them are nightmarish creatures while some others are fairly tame. If you think you have been in contact with me you will know it is me because I will give you a waking world email address that is VERY easy to remember and suggest that you try to wake up immediately and contact me. When you contact me, only give me just a few details of the dream then I will respond with a few details of my own from that dream and we can go from there. Make sure you have the dream written down in a DJ especially if you have difficulty with recall.

I will be passing out this email address to everyone even DCs that I recognize as only DC's in the hopes that some other human being out there from the waking world will hear and remember my message then contact me at my new email. I will not be giving out this email address to ANYONE unless I am dreaming.

I actually just woke up from a possible shared dream which is why I came up with this email thing. Sometimes I run into people that I can sort of sense there is something different about. Almost as if they have an aura about them that makes them feel more real or alive than a DC and then upon further inspection these people tend to have more of a mind of their own as far as communication is involved.

Anyways, I hope this works out well as I have had many unverified possible shared dreams in the past and now I have a way to verify things. I look forward to meeting all of you in the dreamworld. Any success from people contacting my email I will be sure to report here when I can.

Also, sorry for the wall of text but I kinda wanted to get everything said in a single post.

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