Thread: Recurring nightmare (lucid for the first time)

Yes I just quoted myself to start a new thread. But I kinda wanted a the perspective of those of you who like to post on this Beyond Dreaming section. Mostly because I'm interested in everyones opinion and the opinions from you guys tend to differ greatly from everyone elses on DV.

thanks in advance for any input

Originally Posted by Stryke

Hey everyone.

Last night I had what was probably the most interesting LD I've ever had. Ever since I was really little (8 or 9 I think) I have been having this recurring nightmare of a Minotaur (hence the avatar). The dream begins with me crouched down in a forest where almost all the trees are dead or dying. It's snowing lightly and its the middle of the night but there is a full bright moon, so it's dark but I can still see. I'm crouched down feeling at the ground/snow. After a few seconds I look up and see a Minotaur, he has very dark brown hair, I would say black but I can make out a hint of brown when the moonlight reflects on the frame of his shoulder. I can see larg breaths coming from his nose in the freezing air. We always stare at each other for a few seconds, then he growls under his breath, I become afraid and take a small step back. When he sees me step he roars LOUD... it's go time... I turn and book it. Sometimes I run for a few seconds and other times it feels like hours, but every time I wake up while running.

I haven't had this dream for almost a year, but before that I would have it about 2 or 3 times a month. Every time I've had this nightmare it was very vivid but not lucid at all, but last night for the first time ever I had this nightmare while 100% lucid. I'm just wondering if anyone has a similar story or if anyone has an opinion on what it might mean (if anything)

DREAM:

ME
MINOTAUR

I'm staring at the ground and I reach to grab a hanful of dirt. When I feel the cold ground falling through my fingers I realize I'm dreaming and that I've been here before, at that point I'm completely lucid. I look up and see the Minotaur. We stare at each other for a few moments like normal, then he growls, but I don't step back this time.

Who are you? Why do you always chase me?
Why are you asking? You never say anything. Wait... you're in control. Why are you in control?!
What do you mean? I've been working on getting control JUST so I can talk to things like you and figure out what the hell you're thinking. Just tell me what the hell you want?!

Then he roars again but it seems louder than normal. He starts to run towards me so I turn and run and he begins to chase. As I'm running he yells

If you come here again there wont be any talking.

Then I woke up. Obviously any opinions would be welcome

Had 2 dreams last night. Neither of them had the Minotaur but both dreams had malevolent characters that mentioned the Minotaur. I'm thinking maybe I should start a DJ her on DV in addition to my handwritten one so you guys can get a better idea of the situation. What do you think?

in some cultures when you beat your dream demon... it becomes your ally. my advice is to do just that: kick it's ass!

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

in some cultures when you beat your dream demon... it becomes your ally. my advice is to do just that: kick it's ass!

Well that's the plan, but I've only seen him once while lucid so far, normally it's just a nightmare where I had no control. And honesly I'm feeling a little weird about this whole thing, not too sure just willing him away is going to work. I can't really explain it but I get the feeling that i dont have control over him in that kind of way.

I have the same trouble except my "demon" is a pseudo-human named willie nelson who looks nothing like the real willie nelson. I see him and he torments me everytime i lucid dream and ive been trying to kill him for weeks now...I think you should make him appear and try killing the minotaur or try to win him over to find out his real intentions...just a thought.

Originally Posted by kidcrow

I have the same trouble except my "demon" is a pseudo-human named willie nelson who looks nothing like the real willie nelson. I see him and he torments me everytime i lucid dream and ive been trying to kill him for weeks now...I think you should make him appear and try killing the minotaur or try to win him over to find out his real intentions...just a thought.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'm up for any solutions at this point. I don't think "winning him over" is an option though lol. My plan now is to complete my transformation into the character I envisioned for WakingNomads's RPG. If I can become that before the next time I see the Minotaur then I might have a chance.

I also plan on questioning his "minions" (that's what I'm calling them) next time I see one of them. I'm seriously considering starting a Dream Journal on this site so you guys can understand what I'm talking about. Perhaps sometime tonight or maybe tomorrow I start one, but my first post will have about 6 dreams in it becase I'd like you all to know what's BEEN goin on as well as what will happen from now on. I'm just a little lazy at the moment lol.

Thanks for your input and for paying attention in general guys

I think you should start a dream journal. Maybe we could help you figure out a solution to your problem, and I'm curious about your situation. Besides me, and now you, I have never heard of anyone else having this sort of problem.

I think you should continue to attempt to speak with it, or else you may never understand it's purpose.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I think you should continue to attempt to speak with it, or else you may never understand it's purpose.

Well like I said I'm up for anything. But if you read the dram you would see that when last we met he told me that next time I met him in the forest there wouln't be any talking. I'm not completely new at this but I am still a LITTLE new so im really confused by the Minotaur's behavior. It seemd like he had seen me before and that he was surprised/upset that i had become lucid. Seems like odd behavior for a DC but like I said I have much to learn, maybe theres something I'm missing and this is more normal than I'm aware.

Had the Nightmare again last night. I became lucid as soon as felt the cold dirt in my hand this time, pretty much right at te beginning of the dream. He just looked at me with an angry look on his face and. I tried closing my eyes and and telling myself "when I open my eyes there will be no Minotaur" didnt work. Then I tried ignoring it like Nomad said (the ignore test) I turned my back to it and looked up at the moon and tried to focus my attention on the area around me, I pretty much just ignored it completely. After a few seconds of staring at the moon I felt a strong force smash into my back and launch me forward like 20 feet, the Minotaur rammed me. As I was getting up he started laughing. He said "If you're done trying your little tricks, can we get on with it? I dont want you here, this isnt your land anymore, its been mine for centuries and I fought hard for it, I dont plan on giving it back anytime soon. You must stop coming here. If you dont stop then I'll have to get rid of you in a more permanent way."

Then he ran towars me and I tried to dodge him but his horn got me right in my thigh. Seriously the worst pain I've ever felt, I didn't think you could feel pain like that in a dream, I felt like I was gonna black out from the pain. He said "If you keep coming back here you're gonna get yourself killed." then i felt like i did kida black out but i woke up.

seriously need help here people

Stryke,

I had an interesting collection of dreams and subsequent experience involving a bull, which might have some relevance.

As a child I had also recurring lucid nightmares of an aircraft resembling an F-117 (stealth fighter, now retired), which has some similarities to your minotaur dreams. These dreams tied into events later in my life, but the relevant point here are that they were lucid and recurring, and the thought of power that was in the form of the aircraft seems related to the bull in another of my dreams, described below.

At the start of the dream (in about 1995) there was a fire. A girl, who I loved in waking life, stood and watched it in a hypnotized daze, resigned to it. Rather than accept that fate, I ran away through a corn field. Eventually the rows of corn became wooden walls in a barn-like structure. At the end of the passage was a bull, waiting to kill me. Trapped, I began tearing laterally through walls, crossing into the neighboring passageways in search of a way around the bull. Then I woke up.

With retrospect, the rows of corn were parallel worlds, so to speak, with a single row being a particular life path, and the bull is an evil end that I wished to avoid.

Many years later I had a related dream, this time fleeing a totalitarian theocracy. There is a racist cast to this one which I don't believe is entirely right or true or real - I'm just describing what I experienced. The theocracy in the dream was huge and powerful, spanning many worlds beyond ours, and had an Asiatic ethnic base. Think Tibetan Buddhism, but more grand and technological, and with an aura of communal good feeling enforced with a Nazi-like genocidal brutality. The god of this religion seeks to subsume everything that it can make a part of itself, while destroy everything else. Mao and Pol Pot's movements could be perceived as peripheral echos of something like this. According to the dream, although this god is not centered in or obviously manifest in our world, it is poisoning our collective psychic well. One of the effects of this poisoning is that many Caucasian babies die in the first trimester, or because of events are never conceived. Its not necessarily that European body types are targeted by the god, its more that they're incompatible with it or lacking some kind of acquired immunity. In the dream many people, both Asian and Caucasian, are cooperating to try to save these children.

In the dream I flee across a landscape, accompanied by many children, with the scale of the landscape being much bigger than in the first dream. A vast beautiful cultivated expanse replaces the rows of corn, something like strips of green turf punctuated with bamboo. In this dream the wooden walls are more like a tall forest, or even tremendously high stone arches. These walls represent the collective body of an Asian race, and offers protection from the spirit we are fleeing. In other words, 'saving the children' amounts in large part to finding suitable Asian or mixed-race bodies for them to be born into, because otherwise they can't survive as who they need to be. While fleeing across the open space we are pursued by flying machines, but once we reach the forest we are safe. At the entrance, one little girl becomes tangled in thorns, and I go back to help her while other children run on ahead. Then I wake up.

Note the difference from the first dream in that there I was doomed, but here the way to safety is open.

In a subsequent dream, probably within a couple of days of this last one, it seemed that a kind of blessing was made on me, with the condition that I was to 'put myself ahead of no-one'. As I understand this sort of thing, the blessing amounts to a curse to whatever extent I betray it.

On about the next day, in waking life, I went hiking and climbed a high peak, reaching it at sunset. Many other people were already up there, or coming up behind me. The requirement of humility or service was still strong enough in my mind that I felt uncomfortable starting down the mountain 'in front of' the other people, even though this seemed like a silly or unreasonably literal interpretation. But I did anyway, and took a wrong turn that resulted in my getting lost and having to climb almost all the way to the top again before starting down on the right side of the mountain. By then everyone else was down ahead of me except a couple of Indians who walked a short distance behind me. By now it was quite dark, with no moon that I recall. About halfway down the mountain, a black man passed us going the other way, too dark for me to see him except in outline. He shouted back to us that there had been a bull on the trail ahead of us, but that it was OK, because he had driven it off. One of the other people asked him why he was going up the mountain at dark, with us the last ones coming down, and he replied 'someone has to'. At that moment I felt that the bull in 'real life' symbolized the same thing as the bull in the dream from 15 years ago, and that the path was now somehow clear because of this other Christ-like man. I don't mean Christ-like in that he's some kind of benevolent guru. I mean that somehow, by having shouldered the burden that is his life as an African human, he has somehow provided an essential service to everyone, enabling their spiritual progress. So I feel a great deal of joy and gratitude towards him, to what he represents, even though I don't very much understand it.

Anyway, that's my bull-related dream and experience. There's more related back-story to some of this stuff, and other related dreams, but that's a core part of it.

WOW! Well maybe the moon is the key. He only reacted after you started to focus on it. If you find a way to get there, maybe you could find out the key to defeating him. The only other way I can see you beating him is to kill him somehow. Maybe super powers? =D

Na I didnt really get the feeling that the moon was the key. It was just what I decided to focus on to ignore the Minotaur... he would have attacked me regardless im sure

Well, have you ever fought back or tried to fight back?

You have to kick its ass.

You turned your focus away and forgot about it.

He rammed you from behind.

He's real.

You forgot that you have the power to kill him.

Long spears work well against charging beasts. Stab him in the gut, the rip his heart out and eat it. That, or give him a really big hug. Those are my suggestions.

When you defeat him, demand a gift.

Imagine doing all this in your mind as you lie in bed right before you fall asleep.

Post any progress, I too am interested.

I agree with nomad, it is definitely a real entity.

Ok I'm still not sure if I believe in this "real entity" thing but lets just say for now that i do believe... How did the Minotaur get into my dream and why? Especially since he seems to not even want me there

Originally Posted by Stryke

Had the Nightmare again last night. I became lucid as soon as felt the cold dirt in my hand this time, pretty much right at te beginning of the dream. He just looked at me with an angry look on his face and. I tried closing my eyes and and telling myself "when I open my eyes there will be no Minotaur" didnt work. Then I tried ignoring it like Nomad said (the ignore test) I turned my back to it and looked up at the moon and tried to focus my attention on the area around me, I pretty much just ignored it completely. After a few seconds of staring at the moon I felt a strong force smash into my back and launch me forward like 20 feet, the Minotaur rammed me. As I was getting up he started laughing. He said "If you're done trying your little tricks, can we get on with it? I dont want you here, this isnt your land anymore, its been mine for centuries and I fought hard for it, I dont plan on giving it back anytime soon. You must stop coming here. If you dont stop then I'll have to get rid of you in a more permanent way."

Then he ran towars me and I tried to dodge him but his horn got me right in my thigh. Seriously the worst pain I've ever felt, I didn't think you could feel pain like that in a dream, I felt like I was gonna black out from the pain. He said "If you keep coming back here you're gonna get yourself killed." then i felt like i did kida black out but i woke up.

seriously need help here people

Originally Posted by Stryke

Ok I'm still not sure if I believe in this "real entity" thing but lets just say for now that i do believe... How did the Minotaur get into my dream and why? Especially since he seems to not even want me there

I added emphasis.

The dream plane is another realm of existence. There is no real "your dream/my dream."

As far as how, that's easy. Open a portal and go. Why? That's for you to find out.

Apparently the land used to be yours, and you must reclaim it.

I also belive that the minotaur is a real entity. I recommend, you try to find out some stuff about the "land," and thereafter try to find the minotaurs weakness, as i don't think just using weapons are enough when you are a beginner lucid dreamer like you, and therefor haven't gotten that much control over anything.

Didn't have the dream last night but I had a lucid. i was standing in the middle of a baseball field I used to play on as a kid. When I became lucid i worked on manifestation. It was pretty cool actually, I've had plenty of lucids before but in this 1 I felt particularly in control of myself, it kinda felt like I was awake and actually on the baseball field, only reason I knew it was a dream was because the sky was green not blue. i was able to create a dagger. It was odd though, I couldnt just create it, I had to grab a stick off the ground and I fored it to become a dagger. At first I tried closing my eyes and thinking "Im holding a dagger" but when I opened my eyes it was still a stick. I had to stare at it and watch it become the dagger (kinda seems backwards from what ive read from the way most of you guys do this). Once it started to turn into a blade I kepts changing it until it was exactly what I wanted. I kinda wish I would have moved on to creating other things instead of focusing on the dagger alone. Next time I guess.

Just thought I'd keep you guys posted on the progress

Awesome! Definitely a good idea to get the hang of that sort of thing before taking the beast on. I manifest things the same way.

Had the dream again last night, lucid from the start again. This time I thought I'd take the advice you all gave me and try to fight. I picked up a stick and turned it into a spear (did it pretty easily too (: ) but when I finished changing it, it shattered. The Minotaur started laughing and said "I thought I told you... this is my land now. You have no power here." So as always, I turned into a total wimp and started running. I woke up soon after.

Also... Should I keep posting here or is this becoming more of a Dream Journal kind of thing? Im not sure if I should start a DJ because I'm not planning on posting anything other that the dreams that have to do with the Minotaur.

Sounds to me like the minotaur is a part of your subconscious that is rejecting you. Definitely something that you have to beat/kill. I guess you just have to not give up...
I've personally met entities in my dreams that want to fight me and won't go away if I ignore them or whatever, but thankfully they seem to be trying to teach me something - even if I end up loosing a battle or being out-witted I am never subjected to any pain... I just loose and wake up.

Good luck, keep us updated!

Hmm... It might be too late for this, but maybe you should try summoning a table and offering him a seat, then see if he will explain the situation to you. when and why he is there. Otherwise, you could try charging up the spear with energy, making it stronger and deadlier.
Also, you may be giving up too easily, if the first plan doesn't work, try to think of something else, stand your ground I would say.

with the dream journal, If you plan on continuing journaling (I recommend it highly) you should create one here, otherwise just post the dreams in this thread.

one last note, please take my advice with a grain of salt, I don't have a ton of experience with this kind of thing, just what I've heard from other sources, not much first hand experience.

I have a DJ that I write in everyday, just dont really feel like putting it on DV. So I guess I'll just keep this thread going