Consistant Astral Projection

[spongesam]

Hi everyone, Recently I've been having a huge amount of success with astral projection. I've had about four of, what I would call, reasonably controllable experiences. However, it would seem that I can never get to the vibrational state through my own actions. By that I mean I can't seem to just do breathing and visualization exericses and the vibes will come flooding in. They always seem to just happen. So I guess I'm wondering if there's any consistant way to get the vibrations to happen. I have tried almost everything I can find on the internet, it just doesn't seem to be working Also, I thought that this could have potentially been caused by a sort of subconcious intent complex; this is something that I really like to do and I've been trying (to some degree) for about five years, and I'm just starting to have success. If anyone thinks that that's likely, it would be cool to know if there's any way of mastering that effect. Thanks!!

[Alsroge]

Practice, practice, practice! Like any other hobby, it takes skill and talent to achieve the goal. It sounds like you're having a good start, definitely. First of all, I hope you've done a bit of research on Astral Projection so you know some about it. While the vibrations are usually a good indicator that you're in the process of projecting, they're not required. Some people bypass them together; this actually causes a bit of confusion for some, because they sit waiting for the vibrations to come on, when it turns out they're already capable of directly going into a lucid dream or astral projection! This loss of vibrations seems to be more common for the experienced APer, though can happen at any time. Rather than asking for a "consistent way to get the vibrations to happen," it seems you're honestly just asking for more consistent astral projections. My tips to you will be to get a good book, such as Mastering Astral Projection in 90 Days - Robert Bruce / Brian Mercer. Bruce claims that working on your energy systems (chakras, energies, meditation, breathing, etc.) will drastically improve your ability to astral project, as his belief is that the astral body is a separate, subtle body that can be trained via energy working. I agree with him. Beyond that, get your mind into it. Focusing your conscoius and subconscious on astral projection will get your mind "into the zone" when it comes time to actually astral project. If you have enough will, anything is possible. If you're interested more in AP, I suggest looking into the Deep Dreaming forum. You'll be able to read a few good responses there.

[spongesam]

Thanks man, I definately see what you mean about 'expecting the vibrations'. About 'getting into the zone', I can't say I've ever really astral projected whilst in 'the zone'; they mostly seem to come out of nowhere, do you know what I mean? One minute I'll be lying in my bed, not really even thinking about AP and then the vibrations come, I can't believe my luck and then I do a swift exit tecnique. I guess it does just require practice and I think this is probably caused by subconcious intent. But it's nevertheless annoying because it never feels like 'I' made this happen, so there's therefore no obvious way in which I can repeat what 'I' did to achieve the same results. I'll definately check out the Deep Dreaming forum and thanks very much for the advice

[Tranquil Toad]

I read a good idea somewhere, though I can't recall the source. If you already have lucid dreams, what you do is wake yourself up from one on purpose. This allows you to stay conscious as you exit the dream and reconnect with your body. As this happens, do not move your body at all. Since you were already asleep, if your body remains still it should be already close to a state of sleep paralysis from which you can project.

[Ketsuyume]

Tranquil, I have a question about this... MOST of my lucid dreams are WILDs. Admittedly, I'm not very good at DILD, probably because I'm still going through a Marijuana detox. xD (And my WILD's are normally in the twilight after a night of rest, getting up for a bit pre sunrise, and going back to bed.) But I can WILD sometimes 2-4 times in a row. Some might consider in APing, I suppose, because my technique involves me rolling away from my body consciously... I've seen my sleeping body I've rolled away from on one or two occasions now, (or it might just be a projection of my mind), but after I leave the "room" I start in, I normally find my self in dream like settings... Are you an APer? If so, is there an intrinsic difference between APing and Lucid Dreaming? Or am I simply losing my focus in one level of consciousness (AP) and slipping into quickly another as I enter my dreams?

[spongesam]

Yes! that has been what I have experiencing when I get an 'astral projection'; I leave my room and either find myself in dream-like surroundings; or if i'm more conciously aware of what I'm doing and focus more I can then go into a proper AP and walk around the astral version of the real world. So by that logic all I'd have to do is induce a WILD and then go astral by focusing my intent on the physical plane. That's been really useful thanx!! P.S. you say you have a few WILD's in a row; i also get this; do you feel as though you sometimes struggle to move for a few seconds after you retun to your physical body? Or do you feel that it takes a really large amount of effort to move very little? Like I've had this after every OBE/LD; once I even fell of my bed and was moving around to a very restricted degree on the floor (wasn't pleasant) and then I just opened my eyes and was lying in my bed as though nothing had happened. Thoughts?

[Oneironaut Zero]

Personally, I believe an 'Astral Projection' has more in common with a Non-Lucid dream than it does a Lucid Dream; in that you don't know you're dreaming.

[Ketsuyume]

Sponge, tell me more about, "focusing more in order to go into a proper AP." And read my post here as well, to gain further insight on my experiences. I REALLY want to know more about this. dreamviews . com /f11/how-do-your-wilds-start-106686/ (I have to break it up because I can't post links for 6 more days. Lame.)

[Ketsuyume]

Oh- and to answer your question... no. Once I'm back in the physical, I have no problems working my physical body. Sometimes when I first get into my Astral/Mind body, though, I have trouble getting my "limbs" (which is really just an to he product of the mind in that state) to function properly.

[Tranquil Toad]

Tranquil, I have a question about this... MOST of my lucid dreams are WILDs. Admittedly, I'm not very good at DILD, probably because I'm still going through a Marijuana detox. xD (And my WILD's are normally in the twilight after a night of rest, getting up for a bit pre sunrise, and going back to bed.) But I can WILD sometimes 2-4 times in a row. Some might consider in APing, I suppose, because my technique involves me rolling away from my body consciously... I've seen my sleeping body I've rolled away from on one or two occasions now, (or it might just be a projection of my mind), but after I leave the "room" I start in, I normally find my self in dream like settings... Are you an APer? If so, is there an intrinsic difference between APing and Lucid Dreaming? Or am I simply losing my focus in one level of consciousness (AP) and slipping into quickly another as I enter my dreams? I have only APed a few times , as far as rolling out of your body from a waking state (if you don't include WILDS, which some people call APs as well). But I will give my take based on my views of reality/creation. The idea is that dreams are already in the astral realm. So a common analogy, and one I have used before, is that of frequency ranges. Different stations on a radio occupy different frequency ranges. Reality is consciousness, and where you are now on this physical plane is a certain dimension or frequency range of consciousness. As the frequency moves up, eventually you will encounter different dimensions "above" this one. The next one up from this is typically called an astral realm. Now the astral realm is very closely tied to physical earth existence, and closely tied to your current personality - so when you dream your consciousness moves into this domain to project its subconscious material. When you hear about people who do astral travel and encounter really bizarre locations and other entities, it is just that they have moved up further into this dimension beyond the range that your subconscious typically utilizes. You can do this through lucid dreaming if you are able to get past your own subconscious enough. So when you roll out of your body and into your home, one of the things people mention (and I have encountered a few times) is that your house starts off normal, and then begins to look strange. Furniture is out of place, different rooms which don't exist IRL, etc. What is happening is that by rolling out of your bodyt, you have in a sense entered the very first layer of the astral realm which is most closely tied to physical reality. So using the radio analogy, you have turned the dial only a fraction. Now if you could leave the dial at that level, you could float around and be pretty much a ghost in your home. But what happens is that your consciousness automatically begins to ascend into the higher ranges, so you get a bleed through. It would be like listening to two radio stations at once, when the dial is halfway between each. You get a bit of physical reality, but then more astral stuff begins to get mixed in. So eventually it "turns into a dream," but dreams were already taking place at a higher frequency range than where you start of from projecting, and you have just begun to move up into that realm. I once read an account of someone who had left their body and then floated into their roommate's bedroom, where he was staying with his girlfriend. While floating there, his roommate and his girlfriend got up and looked at him floating there, so feeling that he was "intruding," left and went back to his body. But before he did he noticed a certain sweater that the girlfriend was wearing. Now the next day he talked to the two of them, and they had no recollection of this happening, but he saw that the girlfriend was wearing the exact same sweater that he had seen while projecting - a very distinct one which he had never seen before. This is the bleed through I was talking about. They didn't actually get out of their bed and see him, but he still got information from physical reality. He was just on the boarder of the two realms.

[Ketsuyume]

TT, thanks for this. I've actually read the radio frequency analogy before as well, and I agree. I like the way you expanded on this as well... it helps me feel I'm not alone in my thoughts. I've had similar experiences where I've left my body and seen people... even interacted with them, and they have no recollection of it afterwards... but certain things were the same (like the sweater), so I totally get what you mean. So then, is the "OBE" simply a way to keep you frequency tuned RIGHT next to the physical reality, without drifting further into the Astral planes?

[Tranquil Toad]

So then, is the "OBE" simply a way to keep you frequency tuned RIGHT next to the physical reality, without drifting further into the Astral planes? That is exactly my thought. I guess the question is how to do this, and to see if you can get any information from this world that you wouldn't have known otherwise.

[Ketsuyume]

TT, what is the extent of your astral/obe/lucid experience so far? Anything verifiable from your own personal perspective as of yet?

[Tranquil Toad]

As far as rolling out of my body from my bed, only a few times. Lucid dreams, lost count. Been having them for 6 years now. Many that I would consider to be outside by own subconscious, with locations and entities that I'm sure weren't just my own mind. Not going to convince anyone, but that's what I felt. Not much proof. A few precognitive dreams. I have a rough idea of what reality is and how it operates, but that was just knowing that came from waking life. You are the universe on one level, and though there is a great deal of amnesia/forgetting on this plane, you still have access to knowledge about creation. It is just that people usually don't trust themselves enough to follow their own intuition to the point where it begins to unfold in really concrete ways. Enough that when it begins to happen you won't have a doubt. So it would be cool if I could leave my body and actually get a solid piece of information to offer as proof to other people that this is possible, but I have never done that. Something I should practice, however.

[Ketsuyume]

Well said. I very much like your approach. My goal is the same; and I've read enough from others' accounts that I believe it is attainable to find proof for MY self, and perhaps others through shared dreaming. (Which I TOTALLY believe is real for very personal reasons.) -K

[Tranquil Toad]

Shamans in indigenous cultures would use OBEs all the time to get information. Weather patterns, game locations, lost objects, etc. Too bad we have no cultural basis to turn to when we want to explore this stuff, so your pretty much on your own.

[Ketsuyume]

Yup. Western religious (and the so-called God of the three desert dogmas) pretty much raped our minds and instilled fear into our souls. There was a reason that I thought my limited AP/OBE experiences growing up were somehow linked to the power of Satan. >_< Luckily thanks to the web, people are only on their own if they choose to remain in their little mind caves. These communities are awesome for that very reason.