Thread: A new world within lucid dreaming (involving shared dreaming)

I had an idea, if we can get to a point where we can stabilize a lucid dream to such a point where we actually stay in them or we can get back to them in the same point that we left off. Then we can combine it with shared dreaming and actually create a new world.

Think about how cool that would be, you wont need any money or even food to survive, each one of us can have a whole island to themselves. A harem of girls or boys.

So here comes the hard part, if we can actually find a way to stay in the dream forever, who would do it?

Well no, the hard part would be shared dreaming.
Personally, I believe that dreams take place entirely in our own brains (as does the conscious thought of our waking life, in my opinion).
So, this would only work if shared dreaming exists, which you seem to be taking as a given.

Let's assume this is all possible.
Everyone needs nutrition to survive - you'd effectively be going into a coma, and with no food or water (you can't eat dream food to live), anyone who tried this would die in a matter of days.

Sorry, not happening.

Originally Posted by MythicDreams

Well no, the hard part would be shared dreaming.
Personally, I believe that dreams take place entirely in our own brains (as does the conscious thought of our waking life, in my opinion).
So, this would only work if shared dreaming exists, which you seem to be taking as a given.

Let's assume this is all possible.
Everyone needs nutrition to survive - you'd effectively be going into a coma, and with no food or water (you can't eat dream food to live), anyone who tried this would die in a matter of days.

Sorry, not happening.

See WakingNomads profile for shared dreaming. People have actually had shared dreams where they confirmed it afterwards. So yes, I do take it as given.

As for the going into the coma, this whole thing is based on the concept that this life is actually a dream, so going into another dream is just that, another dream, so taken that in consideration, the food should be nutritious and you should be able to survive on it just fine.

The hard part would not die from starvation really... and why do you need SD for that? I have a pretty stable world in my dreams, and generally when I return, the same time that has passed in waking passes in the dream, no much need to make it mystical for it to be wonderful. Plus, you can't have eternal lucid dreaming, still got a body to take care for (In case you would actually like dreams more than waking).

Oh wow . Elucid, to make this short: Shared dreaming is a hoax, and time in a dream is roughly equivalent to time awake.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Oh wow . Elucid, to make this short: Shared dreaming is a hoax, and time in a dream is roughly equivalent to time awake.

Not true either, you are assuming several people are lying willingly here, while it could be just delusion/real, sure the weight of proof falls on those who believe shared dreaming, but if you are going to make such an accusation then you are the one who gotta prove it.
Also, the time one isn't true either, the tests that were made by laberge hinted to it, but he never got enough data for it to be a fact.

Didnt some professor from yale saying they were working on shared dreaming?, he was asked by a student if this was possible after inception was first released.

I have had dreams whcih have been a like a tv series, each dream following the other in a story like pattern, very werid indeed.

I'm going to go buy a feeding tube right now. Just to be prepared.

Supposing that shared dreaming is not possible, could there be a method by which people could be hypnotized to narrate their dreams to each other? In other words, to influence each other's dreams from their own dreams. I don't know how accurate you could get by this method, but it's an idea.

And if shared dreaming were possible, is it possible that the connecting of dreaming minds could expand the dream world? I mean, the more that are in the shared dreamworld, the more vast the dreamworld would become. We'd all be exploring each other's dreams as well as our own, wouldn't we?

Now I can't tell if you're trolling or not.
The only people who have mentioned the idea that "life is a dream" to me were either on drugs or had just finished watching the Matrix.
It's a ridiculous proposal. If dream food is nutritious, how come I didn't wake up satisfied when I'd eaten the most amazing dream chocolate fudge brownies in the world (before my age reached double digits)?

People who claim shared dreams exist are either lying, or kidding themselves, or on drugs, or all three.
Seriously stop watching sci-fi films, or at least don't base your perception of reality on them. It's not good for your health.

Originally Posted by MythicDreams

Now I can't tell if you're trolling or not.
The only people who have mentioned the idea that "life is a dream" to me were either on drugs or had just finished watching the Matrix..

Which is why you REALLY should try some drugs some time, (weed, mushrooms, LSD), come back to sobriety, and see how you feel about the concept both during AND after your trip. I'm sure the writers of the Matrix did.

It's a ridiculous proposal....

Said the men who insisted the Earth was flat for years and years, too.

People who claim shared dreams exist are either lying, or kidding themselves, or on drugs, or all three.

Or perhaps they've hopped on their vessel, set sail, and saw something you haven't.

Seriously stop watching sci-fi films, or at least don't base your perception of reality on them. It's not good for your health

How you feel about this isn't changing what others are experiencing. You're quite hostile toward this idea for no good reason.

Ketsuyume just owned you all.

Originally Posted by MythicDreams

Now I can't tell if you're trolling or not.
The only people who have mentioned the idea that "life is a dream" to me were either on drugs or had just finished watching the Matrix.
It's a ridiculous proposal. If dream food is nutritious, how come I didn't wake up satisfied when I'd eaten the most amazing dream chocolate fudge brownies in the world (before my age reached double digits)?

People who claim shared dreams exist are either lying, or kidding themselves, or on drugs, or all three.
Seriously stop watching sci-fi films, or at least don't base your perception of reality on them. It's not good for your health.

Huh... I am supposing then you are very new to this idea as it is a very popular philosophical idea. It is actually taken very seriously, it is not a joke, I am not on drugs. Of course we can get down to the proof of it, but it mainly has to be seen personally. Never mind that life is a dream or not, it actually does not even make any difference, but once you get down serious and see the similarities of dreams with reality then it should change your mind or not.

Anyway, why it does not make a difference is that even though "reality" might not be a dream or it might be, the important part is that they both work the same.

True that in dreams you can fly, but in reality you can not, but with practice you can. True in dreams you can use mind power, but in reality you can not, but with practice you can. True that in dreams you can touch fire and not get burnt but in reality you cant, but with practice you can. So what does that tell you. I can go on and on.

In my opinion, what is the difference between dreams and reality? Its that reality is a stabilized form of the dream. Dont believe me, think about this, a person stayed in a dream for a longer period than the rest of us, what happened? His dream became like reality, laws of physics started setting in, his powers diminshed and etc. So basically, why didnt you get full in your dreams when you ate? It is probably because you did not have the dream stabile enough.

You wrote:

It's a ridiculous proposal

Actually, I have been "toying" with models of reality and ideas and the most accurate is the one that this life is a dream or in other words, we are living inside our minds, consciouss of our ownselves.

Check up Indian philosophy, this may be originated from there.

If life is not a dream, what did Buddha wake up from?...................Lololol (just kidding, this shouldnt be used as a proof)

This really belongs in the 'Beyond Dreaming' forum.

Originally Posted by Velzhaed

This really belongs in the 'Beyond Dreaming' forum.

It doesnt, it just went off topic.

The description of the Beyond Dreaming forum lists it as a place to discuss shared dreaming, and your topic is using shared dreaming to create a dream world and stay there.

I agree with Mythic that dream sharing is utterly impossible. Which is why I don't go into the Beyond Dreaming forum- you don't need me popping into your discussions going "THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE YOU SILLY KIDDIES!" If people kept the supernatural stuff in the Beyond Dreaming forum we wouldn't have discussiion like this veering you off your topic, and you could focus on the intent of the topic instead of defending your beliefs as is happening.

Ok, go ahead and move it.

and you could focus on the intent of the topic instead of defending your beliefs as is happening.

That is what I am hoping for, it increases interest and that is the actual fun of it. Debates are very interesting, we should have a section for it actually.

Don't move it. Debate. If people don't want to debate they can start threads somewhere else, and if you don't want to debate, V, you can ignore the thread.

Haven't you guys realized that the only things preventing you from having ANY type of experience in the dream world you want is the belief that it's impossible? What do you think the foundation for controlling your dreams is? It's belief. Knowing. Even before it happens. Nothing more, and nothing less.

I assure anyone that as long as you believe shared dreaming is impossible you will never, ever, ever, have a shared dream. To you, it WILL be impossible.

For the rest of us who decided to believe and take the leap of faith... well... all I can say is it might do you some good to play with the idea. Saying ANYTHING is impossible goes completely counter productive to the whole point of dreaming; that anything IS possible.

I will ask again, why do you need SD to make a dream world?

It is not a necessity, it just gets other people involved.

Ah, I didn't believe in SD when it happened to me, so that it won't happen is a lie. Also he is right, this is material for beyond dreaming, since the OP seems to only be interested in SD and not on creating a dream world. I will ask again, why do you need SD to make a dream world? I have a pretty stable one and no need for it to be mystical, seriously.

I definitely agree Ketsuyume, in fact it is a challenge to anyone who can cite something that is impossible ( in concept or otherwise)

Mehhhhh...I can save a lot of back and forth and sum up how the whole debate will go.

Believer: "WakingNomad has proof you should read his thing we dreamshare all the time on the moon!"
Skeptic: "It's not possible there is no evolutionary purpose and there is no transmitter in the human brain."
Believer: "Prove that it doesn't exist!"
Skeptic: "You can't prove the nonexistence of a thing."
Believer: "Well I've done it so I know!"

It'll just be that over and over, and no one involved will actually change their stance.

At this point the DV folks could really just make a couple mods devoted to putting stuff in the BD forum. We've got stuff on dream sharing, dream guides, dream crossroads and so on popping up. I don't bregrudge anyone the right to believe what they want. I wouldn't put a "There's no scientific proof and you're all crazy" thread in the BD forum because A) They didn't ask and B) that should be the place users can talk about supernatural stuff without the skeptics bugging them. But on the flip side I wish I didn't have to wade through "I used my third eye to activate my dream chakra and summon my dream guide" in the general forum when there is literally a place designated for that stuff.

Annnnnnd...../endrant

Velzhaed, I agree that the sum of debates go in such a way, trust me, I have debated for years. But what should be understood is that you can learn many things from debates, while in the process of proving a point, many books, sites, can be cited that you did not have previous knowledge of. Second, others ideas can be shared in this way. It is very beneficial. And thirdly, there is not much to do right now, and debates are really fun, dont you agree?

But its really rude to poke in here with BD stuff to the skeptics, its kind of some skeptic barging in to a church and start talking about evolution and stuff like that, without the consent of the people inside. And this kind of debate always ends in people yelling at each other, no need for that drama.

Originally Posted by Walms

But its really rude to poke in here with BD stuff to the skeptics, its kind of some skeptic barging in to a church and start talking about evolution and stuff like that, without the consent of the people inside. And this kind of debate always ends in people yelling at each other, no need for that drama.

This wasnt the intent Walms, it just swerved that way. I am not being a rebel here, if you guys wish to move it go ahead, just thought it was fun is all.