Thread: Secrets of the Dream Plane

Originally Posted by erible

I'll butt into this conversation for a second
He's trying to say we are all one, there is no "good" and "bad" people, we are all connected.
very simplistically put....

Close, but no cigar. Just kidding. All people are bad and good.

Hello. Here are my "thoughts"

Science is just another religion.

In the sense that in order to "practice" it, you have to (conciously or not) "invest" some of your FAITH.

Here is a nice "exercice" (interpret: proposal) for "rational skeptics":
1- Ask a simple question to whoever you want (it can be yourself). For example: will the sun rise in the east tomorrow?
2- Whatever be the answer, ask WHY.
3- Repeat step 2 again and again and see where you get... draw your own conclusions.

Another funny game:
1- Imagine that everything you are experiencing NOW is an involuntary creation of your mind. All the people you interact with, they are an unconscious creation of your mind. All the knowledge you have, everything. Even this forum message comes from a hidden place in your mind, saying the "truth" in written words. What do you experience?
2- Now imagine that everything comes from MY mind. So, YOU are a creation of my mind. Feel helplessness?
3- You will admit that 1 could be true, and/or 2 also. Or any other hypothesis that involves perception. Welcome to Relativity.

Don't you see that human mind is always forgotten in equations?

When you question every concept you have learned and realize that our mind and language relies on these concepts, you assimptotically reach the state of no duality (I tend to view the process as a numerical method reaching the exact solution, located at infinity).

my best wishes to everybody.

Originally Posted by Univorsus

Hello. Here are my "thoughts"

Science is just another religion.

In the sense that in order to "practice" it, you have to (conciously or not) "invest" some of your FAITH.

Here is a nice "exercice" (interpret: proposal) for "rational skeptics":
1- Ask a simple question to whoever you want (it can be yourself). For example: will the sun rise in the east tomorrow?
2- Whatever be the answer, ask WHY.
3- Repeat step 2 again and again and see where you get... draw your own conclusions.

Another funny game:
1- Imagine that everything you are experiencing NOW is an involuntary creation of your mind. All the people you interact with, they are an unconscious creation of your mind. All the knowledge you have, everything. Even this forum message comes from a hidden place in your mind, saying the "truth" in written words. What do you experience?
2- Now imagine that everything comes from MY mind. So, YOU are a creation of my mind. Feel helplessness?
3- You will admit that 1 could be true, and/or 2 also. Or any other hypothesis that involves perception. Welcome to Relativity.

Don't you see that human mind is always forgotten in equations?

When you question every concept you have learned and realize that our mind and language relies on these concepts, you assimptotically reach the state of no duality (I tend to view the process as a numerical method reaching the exact solution, located at infinity).

my best wishes to everybody.

This may have nothing to do with what you said but I wanted to share this anyways because of the "you are my creation and I am your creation" idea you put up there...I found this a while ago and I find it to be enlightening. The Egg

Nothing can be proven, only disproven.

Hey Nomad,

I know you've tried to contact scientists in the past so that you could prove the existence of shared dreaming to them but they were not interested, I just came across this episode of 'through the wormhole' ( YouTube - ‪Through The Wormhole - Season 2 Episode 1 Part 2‬‏) you should find the theory of Dr Stewart Hamaroth and the physicist Sir Roger Penrose particular of interest because it pretty much validates everything you've been experiencing . (it all comes down to quantum energy)

I did a little search and found that Dr Stewart Hamaroth is actually the director of the center for consciousness in Arizona - I'm pretty damn sure that they would be interested in proof of their own theory - contact them dude - [email protected]

PM me if you'd like any assistance with this

Cool vid BTW - I've been looking for that vid for ages - Grant Morison is ace!

Originally Posted by floatinghead

Hey Nomad,

I know you've tried to contact scientists in the past so that you could prove the existence of shared dreaming to them but they were not interested, I just came across this episode of 'through the wormhole' ( YouTube - ‪Through The Wormhole - Season 2 Episode 1 Part 2‬‏) you should find the theory of Dr Stewart Hamaroth and the physicist Sir Roger Penrose particular of interest because it pretty much validates everything you've been experiencing . (it all comes down to quantum energy)

I did a little search and found that Dr Stewart Hamaroth is actually the director of the center for consciousness in Arizona - I'm pretty damn sure that they would be interested in proof of their own theory - contact them dude - [email protected]

PM me if you'd like any assistance with this

Cool vid BTW - I've been looking for that vid for ages - Grant Morison is ace!

I think I contacted those people in AZ... I will look into it. Not all of my shared dreaming friends want to be experimented on, and I understand why. I don't trust the government, scientists, or generally anyone with any kind of power to be able to imprison me for life or kill my family.

cool! - these guys are just free thinking scientists with the same agenda as you or I - in the pursuit of truth!

I've had a few shared dreams, none verified as of yet but I know I'm about their- I would be totally up for experimentation (once I get more regular results) if it meant that we could get the truth out there! It's all well and good learning this for ourselves, but by putting the truth out there you could help change modern civilization as we know it. Humanity needs a push in the right direction, to get it on the right tracks - let's not shy away from opportunities!

Your an inspiration dude

Originally Posted by floatinghead

cool! - these guys are just free thinking scientists with the same agenda as you or I - in the pursuit of truth!

I've had a few shared dreams, none verified as of yet but I know I'm about their- I would be totally up for experimentation (once I get more regular results) if it meant that we could get the truth out there! It's all well and good learning this for ourselves, but by putting the truth out there you could help change modern civilization as we know it. Humanity needs a push in the right direction, to get it on the right tracks - let's not shy away from opportunities!

Your an inspiration dude

Thanks. Everyone inspires me. Even evil people inspire to never be like them. I think the most important thing for humanity to do right now is to realize we are all equal, and we must all take responsibility for our own inner peace.

<3

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Close, but no cigar. Just kidding. All people are bad and good.

There are only degrees of "goodness" and degrees of "badness". This applies to all things.

Originally Posted by hprib012

This may have nothing to do with what you said but I wanted to share this anyways because of the "you are my creation and I am your creation" idea you put up there...I found this a while ago and I find it to be enlightening. The Egg

Yeeeey, nice little text. The fun stuff was that thoughts like this were in my brain for a couple of weeks and i was trying to describe them to several people and some knew what i was talking about. What i mean is the last part of 'The egg' where we are all one and when we do bad or good to someone we do it to ourselves. It came to me while i was out with a woman i like. I was just observing and being silent. Then it all made sense in a second. The thing that we are one soul which has split up many many times and that some of the souls are closer to us than others,even though we are all one. That moment it felt right that it doesnt matter how life goes we have to give love to that people cos when we make them happy we make happy ourselves. I dunno. I had this knowledge and before but that was a moment of experiencing/realizing it fully. Felt good.

@yenuMorann: About the multiverse. I dunno how. But i had a dream in a dream and then i was experiencing 3 verses: me in my 'real' bed, me in my dream and me in my second dream. It felt weird and normal in the same time.

@Univorsus: I like your exercises Btw do you sometimes try to imagine what is in the head of another person? I mean how the person sees the world and not to read the mind. Like i observe someone and try to put myself into his/her shoes and feel the world like that person. Or even more funny is to try to do the same with another creature. To feel the world like that creature. Its amazing.

It's good to see these universal truths becoming commonplace knowledge now-a-days.

Originally Posted by kenietz

@Univorsus: I like your exercises Btw do you sometimes try to imagine what is in the head of another person? I mean how the person sees the world and not to read the mind. Like i observe someone and try to put myself into his/her shoes and feel the world like that person. Or even more funny is to try to do the same with another creature. To feel the world like that creature. Its amazing.

It's a way of empathizing. Yes, I do the same thing. Project myself into a tree or animal to feel them. I realize now that animals are not property. We shouldn't have this idea of ownership of something like that. I do not look at animals as pets or food, or amusing things anymore. I realize that animals are our sisters and brothers. When you respect animals more, then they like you a lot more, and you have mystical experiences because of it.

Originally Posted by Aeolar

It's good to see these universal truths becoming commonplace knowledge now-a-days.

The consciousness of mankind is evolving and shifting so quickly we can't keep up.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

It's a way of empathizing. Yes, I do the same thing. Project myself into a tree or animal to feel them. I realize now that animals are not property. We shouldn't have this idea of ownership of something like that. I do not look at animals as pets or food, or amusing things anymore. I realize that animals are our sisters and brothers. When you respect animals more, then they like you a lot more, and you have mystical experiences because of it.

Are you a vegetarian Nomad?

Originally Posted by Atras

Are you a vegetarian Nomad?

No. I boycott factory farms, because the animals are living in inhumane, unhealthy, disgusting conditions, and they are killed in a most torturous mechanical way. All the while the animals know they are going to die in the slaughterhouse, because they can smell the blood, and they freak out the entire time. This is what happens when animals are treated as property to be bought and sold.

I do eat some fish, and other sea creatures. I try to eat as low on the food chain as possible. I eat shrimp more than any other animal because they are the largest biomass on the planet. I would eat a wild pig that was hunted. The reason is because it is natural. The pig is free and healthy. It's killed as quickly as possible. If you kill an animal before it has a chance to run, the meat will always be best, because once it starts to run, a bunch of stress hormones are released into the muscles and you don't want to eat those. Plus, if the animal dies in that state, the meat will be tougher. The hunter doesn't want to battle the animal. I am talking about hunters that kill for food, not sport. Hunters that kill for sport are evil. That means "fun." "Hey, let's go kill animals for fun." WTF.

Another thing, here in Hawai'i wild pigs wreak havoc on the environment, but the Hawaiians brought them here, and released them into the wild. Why did they do this? For food. Think of how genius this is: they don't have to feed it or care for it at all. Then, when they hunt, the select the oldest, largest pigs, and cull the population. This is insane: Hawai'i imports pig flesh on one hand, and kills wild pigs on the other, letting the meat rot because of some evil government regulations.

Anyway, hunting for food is honorable. In the American Empire, we eat WAY too much meat. This is part of the reason why we are the fattest nation on earth. We don't need to eat beef, and we don't need dairy. Would you drink breast milk? Does the idea disgust you? What is the difference?

Imagine you encounter a culture that eats dogs. Not only that, they actually find puppies especially tasty. They actually take the puppies away from their mother as soon as they are born for their tender meat and soft skin which can be made into velvety puppy leather. These people love dog milk. They actually love it so much, they hook dog mothers up to machines soon after they give birth, so they can drink the dog's milk. Then, when the bitches get old, they fatten them up, and kill them for food. They may actually eat the dog mother they drink milk from. They even make dog milk cheese and put it on the dogmeat when they eat it, to add insult to injury. All the boy dogs are just used for breeding and dog fights, if they are allowed to have testicles. If they are destined for food, they cut their balls off to make them lazy which makes their meat more tender.

Well, in many Asian and Pacific cultures people eat dogs. You may think it's disgusting because you were raised to think that. You don't think eating cows is disgusting because you were raised to think that. The purpose of cattle is not to be our food. Think about how arrogant and ridiculous that idea is. No wonder there is so much violence against mankind, one to another, when we commit atrocities against animals. When you eat an animal that has been raised in darkness, in a cage that it cannot turn around in, standing in its own shit for its entire life, before it's strung up to be killed slowly, do you think that suffering, that negative energy goes away?

Do you know there is pus in milk?

The only way for us to ascend spiritually, mentally, physically, (I should say evolve) is for us to embrace reality. I am not talking about some esoteric nonsense here, but physical facts. Of course if you eat body parts of an animal that was pumped full of growth hormone to make it grow faster, antibiotics because it lives in unsanitary conditions, and lived a hellish life, and died a hellish death, it is going to be full of all those stress hormones, and will be generally unhealthy. When they get giant softball sized tumors AKA cancer, they lop the tumors off, and kill the beast. Then, we eat it, and we wonder why the world is full of cancer.

Wow, couldn't agree more.

nomad you may be right for the meat but im too accustumed with my chocolate milk sir to leave it

Originally Posted by wana

nomad you may be right for the meat but im too accustumed with my chocolate milk sir to leave it

I am only trying to make people aware of the facts. This Cult of Taurus is aiding in the destruction of the planet. Rainforests and being completely destroyed to make room for the West's insatiable appetite for cattle. We are all connected to each other on the planet. What one person does affects everything else on the planet. It is your responsibility to find out the facts for yourself, and make informed decisions. We desire so much to ascend, to grow as human beings, to have inner and outer peace, but we indirectly harm whenever money comes into play. It's not your fault. It's not my fault. It's everyone's fault, everyone's responsibility.

Chocolate is a drug. I understand why you are addicted. I love cacao. I use chocolate powder with no sugar as a seasoning.

Instead of milk, I drink almond milk or coconut milk. Coconut milk is delicious, and a lot more healthy and better for the environment than animal milk. Have you ever tried chocolate coconut milk?

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Instead of milk, I drink almond milk or coconut milk. Coconut milk is delicious, and a lot more healthy and better for the environment than animal milk. Have you ever tried chocolate coconut milk?

That shit is the shit. I love Macadamia milk as well.

I'm so excited for the next few years of life

Okay, I'm new here and only looked at the first page of this thread, and my only question is how can I find out if this stuff is true? I'm a person who believes in things if I expirence them first-hand.

Originally Posted by sentis

Okay, I'm new here and only looked at the first page of this thread, and my only question is how can I find out if this stuff is true? I'm a person who believes in things if I expirence them first-hand.

So your a skeptic.
There is no irrefutable proof to these things, there is only proof if one experiences them for themselves.

Originally Posted by sentis

Okay, I'm new here and only looked at the first page of this thread, and my only question is how can I find out if this stuff is true? I'm a person who believes in things if I expirence them first-hand.

Sentis:

You might want to reconsider your presence here. Truth is a relative term on this forum, almost a dirty word. Forget proof. Around here, if you believe it, then it must be true; if what you say sounds really cool, then it must be true; if WakingNomad says so, then it must be true. I've never found any of those things to be measures of truth, and I am relieved that there is someone out there with some interest in proof instead of just cool catch-phrases that have been repeated to impressionable youth for centuries. Yes, Wakingnomad, centuries: your clever new ideas are not much different from those of 19th century romanticists, who drew their "knowledge" from medieval and classical literature. This brand of metaphysical fantasy was probably invented the first time a sentient caveman looked up at the stars and realized that there must be more. That by no means dismisses the fantasy, I like to have it myself -- It is simply not new.

The most distressing thing about this thread is that every time someone presents a post rampant with truly outrageous, utterly unprovable, just plain empty sophomoric '60's crap, it gets deluged with "likes." I wish you guys would all step back for a second and really review the nonsense you've been spouting. Then take another second and do a little research. You will find that every clever "new" idea you've listed was tired decades ago.

Sorry. Venting, I suppose. I guess I expected something much more sincere when I signed on this site, and it turned out to be just another "listen to me" echo chamber filled with people with no actual interest in the truth, or how to reach it. And those people, for whom "because I said so" is all proof any idea needs, are very quick to call anyone who questions their nonsense a skeptic, as if skeptic were a dirty word.

There is much to be learned yet about LD'ing, dream-sharing,astral planes, alternate universes, and all the rest of this stuff. I'd be the first to say that I hope it's all possible, and I am eager to learn how to finally touch the truth at the core of all these things. But that will never, ever happen if the discussion is founded on nonsensical ramblings that cannot be argued, refuted, or questioned in any way, lest the questioner be severely abused or, inexplicably, discredited. I suppose I'll keep trying here, because I sense there are others who actually want to learn rather than just attach their faith to someone else's deep-sounding words. But, Sentis, don't expect proof from anyone, or any interest in questioning the truths established here.

Again, all apologies for the rant....