Thread: Secrets of the Dream Plane

Originally Posted by MindGames

I have respect for other people, which is why I'm not talking shit to you or putting you down, for instance.

Well u do seem more kind than i thought u where. It did look like u where just trying to push buttons. Like saying "stop getting so defensive" to me when u thought i was someone else. Nobody was getting defensive tho, i don't see how u got to that conclusion.

I doubt we live in a multiverse where every possible action occurs somewhere, that seems weird. Perhaps there are overlaying dimensions and there is one universe, just an infinite amount of ways to look at that universe. There could very well be a mirror world tho, i've heared rumors about a reunion of two worlds. (salvia observation, multiple reports about this by expert users)

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Well u do seem more kind than i thought u where. It did look like u where just trying to push buttons. Like saying "stop getting so defensive" to me when u thought i was someone else. Nobody was getting defensive tho, i don't see how u got to that conclusion.

It looked like you were getting defensive because, again, I thought you were WakingNomad and that you were trying to describe my position by saying that I don't understand why you believe in a multiverse or care what you think. I did find it kind of strange that you were referring to yourself in third person, but then again that is what I expected when I posted in this forum.

I doubt we live in a multiverse where every possible action occurs somewhere, that seems weird. Perhaps there are overlaying dimensions and there is one universe, just an infinite amount of ways to look at that universe. There could very well be a mirror world tho, i've heared rumors about a reunion of two worlds. (salvia observation, multiple reports about this by expert users)

I agree with the first part of your post and that's what I'm arguing against, but I can't say that I take trip reports seriously. I've read quite a bit of them in the past and they
are very creative and are definitely a trip, but I have no reason to take, for instance, interdimensional elves seriously. (See DMT trips) They may have significance in the subjective realm of a drug trip, but they have no significance in terms of actual physical reality. Even if the experiences are corroborated by separate individuals, there's no reason to believe that the individuals aren't simply reading about others' trips and therefore having similar elements in their trips or interpreting them in the same way.

Originally Posted by MindGames

I agree with the first part of your post and that's what I'm arguing against, but I can't say that I take trip reports seriously. I've read quite a bit of them in the past and they
are very creative and are definitely a trip, but I have no reason to take, for instance, interdimensional elves seriously. (See DMT trips) They may have significance in the subjective realm of a drug trip, but they have no significance in terms of actual physical reality. Even if the experiences are corroborated by separate individuals, there's no reason to believe that the individuals aren't simply reading about others' trips and therefore having similar elements in their trips or interpreting them in the same way.

No, at best they represent an immaterial reality. It's still real and should still be taken seriously, imo. Also, you have to realize that reading trip reports about machine-elves and actually seeing them is completely different. I heared these elves present themselves in such a way that words can not even begin to describe them. Therefore when you read a trip report ur only reading about 1/10th of the actual experience. It doesn't make sense to say you got a complete picture of machine-elves merely by reading about it.
Also, i have been told that there is another level to DMT trip when u break-trough, you go beyond machine-elves and beyond geometric patterns . Not exactly sure where u arrive tho.

But someone once told me, if DMT represents the Immaterial realities, then salvia represents the material ones . I'm curious to see if this is true.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

I doubt we live in a multiverse where every possible action occurs somewhere, that seems weird. Perhaps there are overlaying dimensions and there is one universe, just an infinite amount of ways to look at that universe. There could very well be a mirror world tho, i've heared rumors about a reunion of two worlds. (salvia observation, multiple reports about this by expert users)

A tree grows toward the light. it has many branches. The ones that don't get enough light die off while the energy of growth goes to the branches that reach the light. There are many many leaves on the tree, but not all of them are meant to fulfill their purpose. Forks in the road that present two options, only one is ever known. The other option doesn't reach the light and it dies. It doesn't exist HERE or NOW. It goes on existing in the mind if one has regrets, or shame, or otherwise hung-up on the fork in the road that passed that lead to an alternative reality. When these alternative realities occupy too much energy in the mind, the mind is not healthy. It is spread across a few realities, confused, not vital and focused in this here now. The fantasies of "What if?" "I wish" "I should have..." "If only I.." leave pieces of your vital life force locked away in inaccessible alternative scenarios. One cannot be successful until one returns that vital life force back to the reality that one finds one's bodily existence in.

One can find where pieces of ones soul are left behind because that is where one's thoughts are. It is not as if you are here and now and a piece of your soul is missing in action. It is that your body is here and now while your thoughts are somewhere else. So you can literally drive your energy back home as if you are the horses coming home. This is great to do in dreams. Lucid dreaming for shamanic soul retrieval. Sometimes you have to go all over the universes to find yourself. But in all actuality all the realities are open for observation, but only one is able to be lived. You cannot get to any other favorable alternate reality except by steering this one in that direction. For that you need all of your mind and vitality here now. You cannot escape to another one. This one becomes the other one. Successful people make things happen instead of dreaming about it. Dreaming about it (daydreaming) is escaping this.

I just called it the tree, but Indian Shamans call the Metaverse the Eagle. Same thing, the Eagle has many many feathers, each feather is many many interconnected hairs attached to a quill. You can only see a part of the Eagle, only a very very very few people have ever been able to see the whole Eagle. To be able to see anything beyond this day to day Universe that we have found ourselves in requires an exacting attention. The second attention.