Thread: Secrets of the Dream Plane

Sylvia Browne is a fraud.

Waking Nomad...
Many blessings and thank you for your posts.

Blessings to all of you....
All time... is no time. Nothingness is everythingness...
I got into a discussion about nihilists and whether or not they believed in nothing or just everything equally... the true equalist. At this point in my dreaming it is hard for me to want to stay in this reality, a true challenge. My connectiveness in dreamstates is so strong and full it at times feels more real than that which surrounds my physical body. What a challenging time to exist in a human body, what a blessing. May we heal what we can and learn evolution in our cellular bodies - consciousness in each living cell and may we remember all we have forgotten.
A great book "Mind of the Cells"

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

Sylvia Browne is a fraud.

Fuck yeah. She's been wrong soo many times I don't see why my parents even believe in her.
Only asked the question to see if she even wrote about this stuff.

I have to say I agree with just about everything you have just said. I know this was an outlandish tail that folks dismiss as indulgent fiction,,but,,most of it is true on one level or another.

You have combined Gnostic traditions of a parasite God, with Zacharia Sitchins Annunkai, slapped in some Carlos Castaneda's mud shadow parsites. Spooned some whipped topping of Ingo Swann's Penetration, this is good stuff. Even the Bohemian grove stuff was good. The worms controlling portal travel, that is so awesome, like Frank Herberts Dune worms who supplied the spice for space travel. Either a magnificent deduction by yourself, or the power of Herberts mind to grope the truth about travel.

The thing is, you just made a stew with all of my favorite ingredients. If this was fiction it is a masterfull impartation of nessasary information that people need through an entertaining format.
If this shit is really happening to you,,,holy shit, where the ef do I get on.

One area I would add,,,,I'm pretty sure the Annunkai are telepathic. The reason we are not telapathic is because it was bred out of us. On purpose in my opinion, to make us easier to control via telepathy.
The Annunki from what I understand are mamallien like our selves, but instead of monkeys, they are descended from a wolf like creature.
Inserting thier genetics into homo-erectus gave us a bit of this wolf gene as well. This is probably why dogs are our best freinds, and why we have stories about werewolves and such.They look like twelve foot humans for all intensive purposes though.

Though they control a vast area of space, they don't control the milky way galaxy. From what I understand, the reptillians do.
Reptillians exist on earth as well, apparently their evolved a race here from dinosaurs, but apparently they are not connected or directly involved with the reptillian highlords that run the galaxy.
It's amazing how much truth is in the Star Wars movies.
I wonder just where Lucas got the story, I doubt he wrote it himself.
Even the death star, would be the Annunkai planet X, and the Sith Lord, would be the reptillian emissarries.

Understanding the Annunki in dreams and entities in dreams.

Hey WakingNomad, I hope it's cool, but I copy and pasted your thread to the site above making a thread there, and giving you credit and the link back here.
I wanted some of the folks over there to have a looksy at it.

Take care, DM

Note: This is not an admission of belief but rather pursuing a thought trail.

If there is such a thing as organizations of professional dreamwalkers devoted to these wacked out ideals, and one wants to beat the crap out of you, what chance do most people have? These people would have access to infrastructure and allies and training and knowledge beyond most of us. They could devote their life to the astral or dream plane. Meanwhile, LDing is no more than a central hobby to most of us. Even if it became our primary focus, some of these illuminati or whoever have likely been training their entire lives. How could any person reasonably stand up to them? It's like how Luke Skywalker is a better shot with a pistol than the stormtroopers are with rifles. It doesn't make any sense. Sure, a few naturals or particularly strong willed people may be powerful with their dream avatar: but would a bunch of hobbyists and a few largely unafilliated skilled dreamers be enough to stand up to government programs and centuries old organizations?

And, flip, would any of us really want to piss off an ultra evil organization? Take you, for example, Nomad. If these guys are real and you tick them off enough couldn't they just discover your identity via this site? Screw killing you in a dream- what about with a bullet? I mean, God forbid that would happen, but if this is real wouldn't caution be wise?

Originally Posted by spockman

And, flip, would any of us really want to piss off an ultra evil organization? Take you, for example, Nomad. If these guys are real and you tick them off enough couldn't they just discover your identity via this site? Screw killing you in a dream- what about with a bullet? I mean, God forbid that would happen, but if this is real wouldn't caution be wise?

You're pretty smart, homie.

bill kicks is right. I'm so frustrated with everyone not seeing this. They all live in ignorance is bliss. People have so much self importance and take material things so seriously. The only thing that matters is love.
Sorry for getting off topic....

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

bill kicks is right. I'm so frustrated with everyone not seeing this. They all live in ignorance is bliss. People have so much self importance and take material things so seriously. The only thing that matters is love.
Sorry for getting off topic....

Amen brother.

Back to topic...

Originally Posted by DarkoMarco

I have to say I agree with just about everything you have just said. I know this was an outlandish tail that folks dismiss as indulgent fiction,,but,,most of it is true on one level or another.

You have combined Gnostic traditions of a parasite God, with Zacharia Sitchins Annunkai, slapped in some Carlos Castaneda's mud shadow parsites. Spooned some whipped topping of Ingo Swann's Penetration, this is good stuff. Even the Bohemian grove stuff was good. The worms controlling portal travel, that is so awesome, like Frank Herberts Dune worms who supplied the spice for space travel. Either a magnificent deduction by yourself, or the power of Herberts mind to grope the truth about travel.

The thing is, you just made a stew with all of my favorite ingredients. If this was fiction it is a masterfull impartation of nessasary information that people need through an entertaining format.
If this shit is really happening to you,,,holy shit, where the ef do I get on.

I read Dune, but none of the other books. Get on the Moon.

Originally Posted by spockman

Note: This is not an admission of belief but rather pursuing a thought trail.

If there is such a thing as organizations of professional dreamwalkers devoted to these wacked out ideals, and one wants to beat the crap out of you, what chance do most people have? These people would have access to infrastructure and allies and training and knowledge beyond most of us. They could devote their life to the astral or dream plane. Meanwhile, LDing is no more than a central hobby to most of us. Even if it became our primary focus, some of these illuminati or whoever have likely been training their entire lives. How could any person reasonably stand up to them? It's like how Luke Skywalker is a better shot with a pistol than the stormtroopers are with rifles. It doesn't make any sense. Sure, a few naturals or particularly strong willed people may be powerful with their dream avatar: but would a bunch of hobbyists and a few largely unafilliated skilled dreamers be enough to stand up to government programs and centuries old organizations?

And, flip, would any of us really want to piss off an ultra evil organization? Take you, for example, Nomad. If these guys are real and you tick them off enough couldn't they just discover your identity via this site? Screw killing you in a dream- what about with a bullet? I mean, God forbid that would happen, but if this is real wouldn't caution be wise?

The Dream Warriors of Urth are not simply LD'ers from the Western World. Many ancient cultures understand the importance of dreams. There are entire cultures based on dreams.

They hate us all. We are like their livestock. They feed off of us energetically. I used to think maybe I should be wary, but they already abducted me as a child, and killed two family members, and there was nothing I could do about it.

So, instead of going crazy, or being afraid, I enjoy my life. Life is dangerous. I am more likely to die crossing the street than be assassinated by the Illuminati. They'd rather kill someone like Alex Jones who has concrete evidence. They would never kill me because most people don't believe me anyway, so I am not really a threat. Also, I can't prove any of this.

The only way for you to see it is to explore it yourself.

Who here knows what ubulawu is? Very off-topic but its an interesting thing

Time to start forming an army for good?

When the masses are controlled by the whims of the few, the whims of the few become the ideals of the masses.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

The Dream Warriors of Urth are not simply LD'ers from the Western World. Many ancient cultures understand the importance of dreams. There are entire cultures based on dreams.

shame we killed all those tribes/cultures 300+ years back any of them would be reincarnated as a westener's or 3rd worlders or spirit guide. not much help :/ or did they tell recincarnation to go screw itself?

WN, I've been developing similar theories based on the things I've studied. Alex Jones is both a stud, and way super gutsy.

What do you mean abducted you as a child and killed two family members? Was your mind in a dream abducted or did they ACTUALLY physically take you somewhere?? This is way too interesting to not ask.

Also, I hope you're able to get around to my PM eventually.

-K

Originally Posted by spockman

Note: This is not an admission of belief but rather pursuing a thought trail.

If there is such a thing as organizations of professional dreamwalkers devoted to these wacked out ideals, and one wants to beat the crap out of you, what chance do most people have? These people would have access to infrastructure and allies and training and knowledge beyond most of us. They could devote their life to the astral or dream plane. Meanwhile, LDing is no more than a central hobby to most of us. Even if it became our primary focus, some of these illuminati or whoever have likely been training their entire lives. How could any person reasonably stand up to them? It's like how Luke Skywalker is a better shot with a pistol than the stormtroopers are with rifles. It doesn't make any sense. Sure, a few naturals or particularly strong willed people may be powerful with their dream avatar: but would a bunch of hobbyists and a few largely unafilliated skilled dreamers be enough to stand up to government programs and centuries old organizations?

And, flip, would any of us really want to piss off an ultra evil organization? Take you, for example, Nomad. If these guys are real and you tick them off enough couldn't they just discover your identity via this site? Screw killing you in a dream- what about with a bullet? I mean, God forbid that would happen, but if this is real wouldn't caution be wise?

to put a positive spin on it for ya, i reckon they have to do a lot more work, and practice more because they have so much more fear to conquer than the average person. i do believe there are some factors in place that prevents the destructive side from having so much power but i dont know what they might be yet

Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

WN, I've been developing similar theories based on the things I've studied. Alex Jones is both a stud, and way super gutsy.

What do you mean abducted you as a child and killed two family members? Was your mind in a dream abducted or did they ACTUALLY physically take you somewhere?? This is way too interesting to not ask.

Also, I hope you're able to get around to my PM eventually.

-K

The Xerox Massacre. A sleeper agent working at Xerox in Honolulu 11 years ago when crazy and blew seven people away. Two of them were in the Bat Clan, my clan. The sleeper agent accused one of the guys he killed of being in the FBI. He also said this guy was tormenting him. The lead psychiatrists working for both defense and plaintiff work for the CIA and FBI, or the CIA. One is defending the CIA in a case of Canadians suing the CIA for abducting them for the MKULTRA program. The lead psychiatrist for the plaintiff said that the "confession" of the the "9/11 Mastermind" is true after years of torture.

There is no information that the man the sleeper agent said was in the FBI, was not in the FBI, no denial.

This took me some research, and I felt insane when I found it all. It started with the question: I wonder if the guy that killed my cousins was a sleeper agent?

***

The abduction was a memory recalled. Goverment agents hypnotized me and drugged me in the dentist's office when I was about 6, and took me into a room with an alien. I was not supposed to remember anything. The alien telepathically told me how his government abducted him for this experiment on earth. I was so angry at what they did to him, I screamed, and it broke my trance, thus I was able to recall it.

They rushed in and shot me in the arm with a tranquilizer, and knocked me out. They re-hypnotized me as I awoke, and told me it was a routine visit to the dentist's and I just had a crazy dream.

***

That's the gist of it.

Anyway, since this is way off topic, PM me if you want to know more.

I read the first 6 pages of this thread and the last couple days I have gotten interested in Lucid Dreaming again (I was one of those people who couldn't get it straight away and gave up, but i'm trying again!)

With this Shared dreaming class, I don't think I would be able to do it with you.
Last time we had a shared dream, I started to walk towards you down this pipe (I believe it would be the connection from my dream world to yours, yet you did not see me.) A big star fish like thing with a face said I could not go that way because it was dangerous or because you where dangerous or something. And ever since then It has been in most dreams watching me from really far away, none of these dreams have been lucid though. Do you think he is my guide or some sort of evil thing stopping me having fun
Thanks

Originally Posted by RAMIBE

I read the first 6 pages of this thread and the last couple days I have gotten interested in Lucid Dreaming again (I was one of those people who couldn't get it straight away and gave up, but i'm trying again!)

With this Shared dreaming class, I don't think I would be able to do it with you.
Last time we had a shared dream, I started to walk towards you down this pipe (I believe it would be the connection from my dream world to yours, yet you did not see me.) A big star fish like thing with a face said I could not go that way because it was dangerous or because you where dangerous or something. And ever since then It has been in most dreams watching me from really far away, none of these dreams have been lucid though. Do you think he is my guide or some sort of evil thing stopping me having fun
Thanks

I know. For awhile I kept dreaming about being in underground pipes and labyrinths. I think you need to kick that star's ass. Good to have you back.

This shit is soooo fucking confusing... I get lost with this crap so quickly...

Ha, I just need to get to the fucking moon. That might help set things straight for me. Haven't even seen it in my dreams yet, though.

On your kidnapping: wow, that must have been a bit traumatizing. I feel sorry for you.

I have some strange memories myself, though I'm not sure if they are dreams or something else... oh well, too long ago to even try to figure it out.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

The abduction was a memory recalled. Goverment agents hypnotized me and drugged me in the dentist's office when I was about 6, and took me into a room with an alien. I was not supposed to remember anything. The alien telepathically told me how his government abducted him for this experiment on earth. I was so angry at what they did to him, I screamed, and it broke my trance, thus I was able to recall it.

They rushed in and shot me in the arm with a tranquilizer, and knocked me out. They re-hypnotized me as I awoke, and told me it was a routine visit to the dentist's and I just had a crazy dream.

I really want to be as respectful as possible, but, you can't be serious, can you? Which is a more reasonable explanation?

a) Government agents hypnotized and drugged a 6 year old at the dentist, in order to bring him to see an alien. An actual living, breathing, alien. An outer space lifeform that modern science has not found any evidence of yet (at least not publicly, if you want to make that argument), and that must have traveled unimaginable distances in order to visit Earth. Because government agents... need to have... 6 year old children... see aliens. And the alien proceeded to talk to the child telepathically, which broke the child out of his hypnotic trance. Once the child woke up, everyone was in on it and lied to him that it was a dream.

b) A 6 year old child, with an active imagination, under anesthetic, had a crazy dream.

As a side note, hypnosis is not actually some sort of trance where you're unaware and being controlled - it's actually just a relaxed state characterized by heightened suggestibility - Hypnosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

While I'm trying to be fair about shared dreaming and not make a judgment on whether it's possible or not until I've actually tried it for myself (mostly because even though it should be impossible based on what I know, I want it to be true), tying it in with conspiracy theories is pretty discouraging. To put my spiel on conspiracy theories in short, if governments can't even keep their international dick-waving under wraps with stuff like wikileaks, I highly doubt they'd be able to keep massive plans for the enslavement of the human race secret from the general public. And there's really no motivation for it anyway. The sort of people who have the power/money to do that already have way more than any human is physically capable of enjoying. The real "conspiracy" is going on in front of our eyes, it's that corporate interests are taking precedence over the good of the people. George Carlin explains it best: YouTube - George Carlin ~ The American Dream

yes but they have managed to keep their entire plan for enslaving the world secret for the last 100 years. (fractional reserve banking). surely now we have had the whole bailouts/cuts scenario you can see the truth in the conspiracy?

Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

You're pretty smart, homie.

man... you're my new best friend I always post that video when ppl get retarded with me on forums. Bill hicks is tha man!