Secrets of the Dream Plane

Alright, well certainly if there was a dust storm so large that the entire human race couldn't see anything, eyelashes wouldn't make a big difference. Eyelashes were just an example of non-necessary parts that humans and other animals have. Since genetic adaptions only become widespread if they are required for survival/reproduction, there is no good explaination for things like eyelashes and toenails and hair. I was just naming one thing off the top of my head that didn't quite fit in with evolution since I don't believe in it.

why would you assume eyelashes are not necessary? Have you considered any scientific explanation as to why we have eyelashes? You might find out its the same reason we have eyebrows but no one is questioning them.
Truth is, if we didnt have eyelashes and eyebrows, our eyes would be covered in dust, bacteria, and random crap because they would lack protection.
Toe nails may not be required equipment now, but once again, have you made an effort to find out why we have toenails? My guess is no because you would know they are the evolutionary left overs of claws and im sure we can all think of some good reasons to have claws.

Since this is the discussion on the dream plane, lets ask some simple observational questions. What is the need for this dream plane? What supports the dream plane? What is this said dream plane made of? And even more interesting, what is the benefit humans gain from being able to access this dream plane?


Also. I forget to mention hair. It seems as if the assumption is being made that as soon as we dont need something in our biology it is cast off. Reason would require a precursor for all survival attributes. We have hair for insulation. We have only had clothing for a very short time and before that, there was HAIR.

Btw, something we really dont need is our pinky toe. And once again, we have it because we needed it in the past and it has stayed with us. Unless someone develops without a pinky toe and gains some advantage over others by that i dont think it will be going anywhere very soon.


These are the kind of questions that would reveal the 'secrets' of the dream plane to me since they are the same type of questions I would use to explain my physical surroundings. It would definitely be interesting to hear anyone's answers to those questions.

actually our pinky toe is critical for balance, you may be surprised but if your pinky toe was cut off, you would have to re-learn how to walk

only the first couple toes from the big toe are required for balance. If you lost your pinky toe you would obviously need to learn how to walk without it like someone without a finger or two but its definitely not necessary. Ill whip out my big dick of science if i need to ;)

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Originally Posted by Mascot

Sorry but all you ever post is crazy conspiracies and cures for cancer.

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Another non-believer. bleh. Thank the forum admins for the deep dreaming forum.
And cannabis isn't a proven cure for cancer. :P

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Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

why would you assume eyelashes are not necessary? Have you considered any scientific explanation as to why we have eyelashes? You might find out its the same reason we have eyebrows but no one is questioning them.
Truth is, if we didnt have eyelashes and eyebrows, our eyes would be covered in dust, bacteria, and random crap because they would lack protection.
Toe nails may not be required equipment now, but once again, have you made an effort to find out why we have toenails? My guess is no because you would know they are the evolutionary left overs of claws and im sure we can all think of some good reasons to have claws.

Since this is the discussion on the dream plane, lets ask some simple observational questions. What is the need for this dream plane? The Dream Plane is a place for dreamers to interact with others.What supports the dream plane? The unification of entities's minds(?). What is this said dream plane made of? Pure energy.And even more interesting, what is the benefit humans gain from being able to access this dream plane? Having a great time with other entities, and communicating with people you don't really know.


Also. I forget to mention hair. It seems as if the assumption is being made that as soon as we dont need something in our biology it is cast off. Reason would require a precursor for all survival attributes. We have hair for insulation. We have only had clothing for a very short time and before that, there was HAIR.

Btw, something we really dont need is our pinky toe. And once again, we have it because we needed it in the past and it has stayed with us. Unless someone develops without a pinky toe and gains some advantage over others by that i dont think it will be going anywhere very soon.


These are the kind of questions that would reveal the 'secrets' of the dream plane to me since they are the same type of questions I would use to explain my physical surroundings. It would definitely be interesting to hear anyone's answers to those questions.

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Nice counterargument. If I could I would give you an internet.

How much to buy an internet. I'm going broke here.

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Originally Posted by mikeac

Nice counterargument. If I could I would give you an internet.

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You assume i dont believe in the dream plane? After all it is quite a fringe idea in our modern society. Even though I hate to inflate your ego any bigger than it is, I personally believe there could be a dream plane; however I havent been there yet. I'll let you know what its like when I get there but until then I'll use the analytical tools at my brains disposal.

Let me run this by you and see what you think...

My last question was "what is the benefit humans gain from being able to access this dream plane". This is the essential question for evolutionary development. In the universe's infinite complication and simplicity, it seems that which gives a survival advantage is sought after. With this is mind, allow me to digress momentarily. It is said in some ancient traditions that exercising ones consciousness in the dream plane would essentially create an identity for themselves within the dream plane. In turn when one died, this consciousness built in our physical reality we call life would carry on beyond death. Those that werent fortunate to reach 'wholeness' would simply fade back into 'the everything' for lack of awareness beyond their physical form. So if this were true, the evolutionary advantage to the dream plane would be to provide a place for our consciousness to go even after death essentially providing for ultimate survival. And those that exercise their alternate consciousness truly would be the fittest survivors from this Earth.
I think this would be a somewhat sensible explanation, thoughts?

It takes a lot more than looking at things strictly about evolutionary advantage to truly understand most of what's out there.

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Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

what is the benefit humans gain from being able to access this dream plane

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Nomad, I think you're most qualified to give a cmplete answer to this question.

I can answer. My theory is that slowly it will transform your waking life abilities, It will make you more psychic in waking life and more aware of the waking life dream.

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Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

You assume i dont believe in the dream plane? After all it is quite a fringe idea in our modern society. Even though I hate to inflate your ego any bigger than it is, I personally believe there could be a dream plane; however I havent been there yet. I'll let you know what its like when I get there but until then I'll use the analytical tools at my brains disposal.

Let me run this by you and see what you think...

My last question was "what is the benefit humans gain from being able to access this dream plane". This is the essential question for evolutionary development. In the universe's infinite complication and simplicity, it seems that which gives a survival advantage is sought after. With this is mind, allow me to digress momentarily. It is said in some ancient traditions that exercising ones consciousness in the dream plane would essentially create an identity for themselves within the dream plane. In turn when one died, this consciousness built in our physical reality we call life would carry on beyond death. Those that werent fortunate to reach 'wholeness' would simply fade back into 'the everything' for lack of awareness beyond their physical form. So if this were true, the evolutionary advantage to the dream plane would be to provide a place for our consciousness to go even after death essentially providing for ultimate survival. And those that exercise their alternate consciousness truly would be the fittest survivors from this Earth.
I think this would be a somewhat sensible explanation, thoughts?

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Actually, you're wrong. It isn't survival that's sought after, it's reproduction. Once you've reproduced, it no longer matters whether you survive or not, because you've passed down your DNA to the next generation. (The best example of this is the female grasshopper that eats the male grasshopper after they mate - the male has served his purpose and passed down his genes, and the female needs the extra nutrition to allow the baby grasshoppers to develop. By not surviving, the male has gained an evolutionary advantage.) So, if you're looking for an evolutionary benefit of the dream plane, it has to fulfill at least one of three things:
1. Help you reproduce
2. Help you survive until reproduction
3. Be a byproduct of something that fulfills one of the first two conditions, without going against either of them
I think if the dream plane exists, it is a byproduct of sentience, which fulfills the first two conditions.

Actuallyyyyyy, im right. Ha!!! Im such a good orator.

So we fight to survive in order to reproduce. We reproduce in order to ensure the survival of the species. While im sure the goal of that grasshopper, or male black widow, or male praying mantis was essentially reproduction, you also have to piece together the purpose of survival along an extended time line. Anyway, I do agree that our sentience has provided for our ability to access this particular part of our consciousness but I think that consciousness already existed before we evolved. The energy that makes of physical matter is connected through its basic properties. In this manner I think a dream plane could be formed through what Carl Jung called the collective unconscious. Or perhaps this world of energy existed before physical matter and our brains have the ability to percieve that it may exist and also connect with it.

To think of mankind as a giant anthill which doesn't know it is one is slightly disturbing.

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Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

In 2012, the sun will emit more solar radiation than has ever been experienced by human beings. We humans have inhabited this planet for nearly 100 thousand years and the sun's solar cycle spans 11 years. This is a huge deal considering our brains and body are built on the power of electromagnetic energy, the same energy that will be cascading over our solar system when the sun blows its load.

At the same time, the Earths electromagnetic field that protects us from said solar radiation will be the weakest we have ever seen. Both of these events have been predicted by scientific evidence and observation.

My Theory: The intense solar radiation coupled with the weak electromagnetic shield will flood the Earth with what amounts to a giant EMP. No one knows what will happen after that. My personal idea is that our brains may be tweaked in such a way that we all become a 'hive mind', an awareness that already exists in our subconscious. Perhaps our subconscious will merge with our present consciousness. Another caveat to the giant EMP is that it could disable every electrical device on the Earth's surface rendering modern civilization worthless. The US Gov is already preparing the electrical grid for massive influxes of electrical energy.

Just so you all dont think im blowing shit out my ass, ill post a couple reputable links to this information.

The 2012 Apocalypse

Earth's Magnetic Field Is Fading

NOVA | Magnetic Storm | TV Program Description | PBS

Remember us on the dream plane when the internet no longer exists.

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Like the buggers from ender's game? A hive mind seems to be completely impossible, in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by Man of Shred

I can answer. My theory is that slowly it will transform your waking life abilities, It will make you more psychic in waking life and more aware of the waking life dream.

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by Blacklight

To think of mankind as a giant anthill which doesn't know it is one is slightly disturbing.

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Me thoughts as a wee child looking at an anthill:

Look at those tiny things. I wonder if God looks at us like that. I kill some ants. Why did I do that? That was mean. I kill these ants, and flood their nest. Some die, but the ants never disappear. They don't really know I exist. I am just like a big monster to them. But, they can probably be here forever if they want to.

Neat read

i am apparently Gawn's son. He claims to have created DV hence my Jesus of DV status :P

WakingNomad

i am some what the dream warrior my self, and am always looking for something else to learn
please count me in, and please could you keep me informed?
and how this class is going to work, like where i gotta go or wat that be super of you
well bye

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Originally Posted by Man of Shred

i am apparently Gawn's son. He claims to have created DV hence my Jesus of DV status :P

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Oh yeah, that's REALLY logical, a being from a different plane putting something on the Internet, which is in the physical plane. Unless they somehow gained access to the Internet in the dream plane, it makes no sense whatsoever. I really doubt they have Internet in the dream plane, but as Nomad says, "Everything is possible, nothing is true." No offense intended, just want to point out some of the things that make no sense to me.

This is really interesting, though you kind of lost me at Gawn and Nevergawn.
I'm still unsure about this whole dream sharing business, but I plan to try it out before making any assumptions.

Wow, this is almost the ultimate, shared dreaming, if we can master it so well. I am very willing to learn. I just have a question, so you guys meet on the moon? What if I get there late or not at the right time?

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Originally Posted by elucid

Wow, this is almost the ultimate, shared dreaming, if we can master it so well. I am very willing to learn. I just have a question, so you guys meet on the moon? What if I get there late or not at the right time?

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try time travel in the dream :-). Use any archetype for control that you see fit.

Tell me this Nomad, why is a single government bad? It would mean the eradication of both war and prejudice; and would make trading etc. easier.

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Originally Posted by CliffDreamer

Tell me this Nomad, why is a single government bad? It would mean the eradication of both war and prejudice; and would make trading etc. easier.

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It would enslave the human race.

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Originally Posted by Ketsuyume

It would enslave the human race.

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How would it enslave the human race?

Yes, how would it?