Thread: Secrets of the Dream Plane

I do not know about all the alien and illuminati stuff but i agree with WakingNomad on the Evolution matter. Actually yesterday while smoking a cigarette after lunch i was thinking about the dream plane and internet and how now everyone has cheap internet at home and even on their mobile phones. And that it wont be long before they create connection like 'Ghost in the Shell' and we will be all connected through technology. But i would be happier if we do that on the dream/mind plane or how ever you may call it. Such type of connection would be much better and safer for us.
I dunno about 2012 and dont care. When it comes we will see. But i hope that it will bring a spiritual shift in the people minds even though for the moment it doesnt seem so. These movies(inception and avatar) are nothing but money collectors and will be forgotten, even though i like avatar.

At WakingNomad:
Question: What about that? Consider that at any given moment, doesnt matter how small it is, we change the universe with our minds(like thinking,doing,decisions) and create new universes in that way. Then we may choose not to die, just change the universe again and be alive.

Would it be stupid to join the shared dreaming class, if I still am not that good at lucid dreaming?

Originally Posted by kenietz

I do not know about all the alien and illuminati stuff but i agree with WakingNomad on the Evolution matter. Actually yesterday while smoking a cigarette after lunch i was thinking about the dream plane and internet and how now everyone has cheap internet at home and even on their mobile phones. And that it wont be long before they create connection like 'Ghost in the Shell' and we will be all connected through technology. But i would be happier if we do that on the dream/mind plane or how ever you may call it. Such type of connection would be much better and safer for us.
I dunno about 2012 and dont care. When it comes we will see. But i hope that it will bring a spiritual shift in the people minds even though for the moment it doesnt seem so. These movies(inception and avatar) are nothing but money collectors and will be forgotten, even though i like avatar.

At WakingNomad:
Question: What about that? Consider that at any given moment, doesnt matter how small it is, we change the universe with our minds(like thinking,doing,decisions) and create new universes in that way. Then we may choose not to die, just change the universe again and be alive.

Well, we are immortal (our souls are) therefore we never are truly destroyed, but our bodies die. Then, after we "die" we choose what we want to go into next.

Originally Posted by LucidAvenger

Would it be stupid to join the shared dreaming class, if I still am not that good at lucid dreaming?

No. You should join. You see, we are going to start with the foundations of dreaming skills, and build up from there. Plus, after every lesson, you are going to have two weeks to work on your new skill. The entire class is going to be a total of 14 weeks, so three and a half months almost.

congradulations waking nomad you have succesfully gotten every conspiracy on earth and shoved them into one, i really didnt think that was possible

but yes i do agree with you that those illiuminati bastards are trying to get the NWO in action, and there doing a pretty good job of it aswell. once its fully in place, i can safely say i will be killed. although im not sure i quite agree that we were alien experiments.... or that there running the gov. we do NOT want the nwo

also wasn't astral projection used during the cold war?

Okay i'm really excited for the shared dreaming class now

At WakingNomad:
I see, so we can choose two things. Firstly, to die consciously. I mean to enter death like in a dream world. Secondly to choose what to do after we entered again like when you choose what to do when lucid. Then training in being lucid is like preparation for death and 'afterlife'. But as we are immortal there is no afterlife just LIFE. Thats one insane logic but feels correct.
Cheers for that

Btw: im also interested in the SD class. Only when do we start is the question

I believe in most aspects of buddhism actually, my strongest belief is reincarnation and past lives.

This stuff seem to make the same basic mistake as religion. There is absolutely no proof of anything you said here. I cannot disprove it, but the burden of proof is on you, because you are the one making these claims. Also, I think you believe these things simply because you want to. It is the same reason people believe in reincarnation. They don't want to die. I would love for reincarnation/heaven to exist, but I need to see actual proof before I just believe those sorts of things. Personally, I can't say what exists as far as dreaming. The rational part of me wants to believe that dreaming is purely in my mind and is simply a projection of my thoughts. But, I try to look at things subjectively. I am not sure about shared dreaming, it doesn't fit in with my opinion about dreaming being all in your head, but I have heard a lot of people telling me they have done it. I can't say for sure they aren't making this up, but I can't be sure they are lying, either. I am interested in it, but I know a lot of people say things on the internet (and in real life) that aren't true. Also, I don't like conspiracy theories at all. You seem to love them according to your post. Conspiracy theories will grab a whole bunch of random facts (true or not true) and then connect the dots with information that is completely made up. This is true with things like the illuminati/nwo/2012. Surely if nations are collaborating and making agreements with one another, they are planning on forming together and creating one central nation, and imprisoning their own citizens. It just seems like an attempt to scare people to me. I am seeking the truth about lucid dreaming/astral projection. If they are truly all in my head, I want to know and I will accept it. If they truly my "soul" leaving my body and entering another plane of existence, I want to know, but I am not going to believe it unless it is proven.

Originally Posted by jakebb

This stuff seem to make the same basic mistake as religion. There is absolutely no proof of anything you said here. I cannot disprove it, but the burden of proof is on you, because you are the one making these claims. Also, I think you believe these things simply because you want to. It is the same reason people believe in reincarnation. They don't want to die. I would love for reincarnation/heaven to exist, but I need to see actual proof before I just believe those sorts of things. Personally, I can't say what exists as far as dreaming. The rational part of me wants to believe that dreaming is purely in my mind and is simply a projection of my thoughts. But, I try to look at things subjectively. I am not sure about shared dreaming, it doesn't fit in with my opinion about dreaming being all in your head, but I have heard a lot of people telling me they have done it. I can't say for sure they aren't making this up, but I can't be sure they are lying, either. I am interested in it, but I know a lot of people say things on the internet (and in real life) that aren't true. Also, I don't like conspiracy theories at all. You seem to love them according to your post. Conspiracy theories will grab a whole bunch of random facts (true or not true) and then connect the dots with information that is completely made up. This is true with things like the illuminati/nwo/2012. Surely if nations are collaborating and making agreements with one another, they are planning on forming together and creating one central nation, and imprisoning their own citizens. It just seems like an attempt to scare people to me. I am seeking the truth about lucid dreaming/astral projection. If they are truly all in my head, I want to know and I will accept it. If they truly my "soul" leaving my body and entering another plane of existence, I want to know, but I am not going to believe it unless it is proven.

That's the thing. I was a skeptic, but so many people believe in the idea of shared dreaming, so it can't be fake. Through simple reasoning and faith in people, shared dreaming is possible. I'm currently a semi-skeptic on religion. Through more simpey reasoning, there has to be some sort of higher force that caused creation of the universe. However, how the hell was God created is my only question. All the man made religious stories are crap to me, however, the Old and New Testament still have some pretty good rules to live by. There might be higher planes of existence, and reincarnation may or may not be true. I am not afraid of death, my parents have taught me that it happens to every person sometime, and it isn't worth worrying over, however I still believe in heaven/rebirth. Conspiracy theories can be proven sometimes, but for example the 9/11 conspiracy theory is a bit wacky. But the government is the government, they hide things that we don't need to hear, and it should stay that way. Astral projection and the astral plane may be possible, but for me it seems to be a lucid dream of the physical plane. Lucid dreaming is all in your head. Shared dreaming is a plane of existence where other dreamers exist.

So many people lie. Yet you gotta have faith in some people.

Originally Posted by mikeac

That's the thing. I was a skeptic, but so many people believe in the idea of shared dreaming, so it can't be fake. Through simple reasoning and faith in people, shared dreaming is possible. I'm currently a semi-skeptic on religion. Through more simpey reasoning, there has to be some sort of higher force that caused creation of the universe. However, how the hell was God created is my only question. All the man made religious stories are crap to me, however, the Old and New Testament still have some pretty good rules to live by. There might be higher planes of existence, and reincarnation may or may not be true. I am not afraid of death, my parents have taught me that it happens to every person sometime, and it isn't worth worrying over, however I still believe in heaven/rebirth. Conspiracy theories can be proven sometimes, but for example the 9/11 conspiracy theory is a bit wacky. But the government is the government, they hide things that we don't need to hear, and it should stay that way. Astral projection and the astral plane may be possible, but for me it seems to be a lucid dream of the physical plane. Lucid dreaming is all in your head. Shared dreaming is a plane of existence where other dreamers exist.

So many people lie. Yet you gotta have faith in some people.

I agree with you. I am the opposite with religion though, I don't believe in it until something is proven. I think there are infinite possibilites of how life was created. People like to use the idea of a god for the same reason we have leader in our government/kings. Humans like being under control by something/someone of higher power, so they naturally imagine that some sort of conscious being created us all. I think that humans probably don't have the mental capacity to realize what created us. I don't buy in to evolution because I think people/some animals are too complicated to have come from evolution. Why do we have eyelashes? Surely there wasn't a time in history when all primates without eyelashes were killed off, and the ones with them survived. The only changes that can occur in organisms from evolution are ones completely necessary for survival, and thing like eyelashes/toes/hair are not essential. Also, just because a theory could be possible doesn't make it possible. I could probably rationalize evolution or god or buddhism if I really wanted to. But it has to be proven without a doubt before I will believe it.

I am also curious about shared dreaming. Not enough time right now to search through this whole forum, but I am curious how people interact when they are in shared dreams. Do you actually see one another, do fun stuff together, then wake up and remember every detail exactly the same? If it were like that, I would almost have to believe there is something supernatural at work here. But my idea is that they might just be a regular dream where you see a friend, then wake up in the morning, call you friend up, say that you dreamed together, then your friend think about it for a minute and says, "Oh ya I think I remember that sort of." If they were like that then I would say that they don't actually exist and are just imagined. I don't think I have read enough experiences of them to tell how they actually are. I have only read a few. Also, how exactly are shared dreams thought to work? Is it one entire plane where every single person is, and you meet others? Or is it where you "invite" another person to your dream, and the dream still takes place inside one of the people's heads but multiple people are there?

Oh and one more thing. Mikeac, you said that if a lot of people believe in something, it can't be fake. That isn't true. Most of the world used to believe the earth was flat, and now we know for an absolute fact that it is spherical. Humans as an entire race have an extremely limited perception of reality. We can compensate for this with technology and experimentation, but that all takes time to evolve. A thousand years from now we will know things/make things that you and me will never have even dreamed of. Just like we have learned/built things now that people in the year 1000 would have never dreamed of. Humans as a race probably has a lot of false ideas. Less then we did a thousand years ago, but still a lot. In the year 3000 we will probably still have some false ideas, but not nearly as many as we do now. So don't believe something just because a lot of people believe it.

Originally Posted by jakebb

I agree with you. I am the opposite with religion though, I don't believe in it until something is proven. I think there are infinite possibilites of how life was created. People like to use the idea of a god for the same reason we have leader in our government/kings. Humans like being under control by something/someone of higher power, so they naturally imagine that some sort of conscious being created us all. I think that humans probably don't have the mental capacity to realize what created us. I don't buy in to evolution because I think people/some animals are too complicated to have come from evolution. Why do we have eyelashes? Surely there wasn't a time in history when all primates without eyelashes were killed off, and the ones with them survived. The only changes that can occur in organisms from evolution are ones completely necessary for survival, and thing like eyelashes/toes/hair are not essential. Also, just because a theory could be possible doesn't make it possible. I could probably rationalize evolution or god or buddhism if I really wanted to. But it has to be proven without a doubt before I will believe it.

I am also curious about shared dreaming. Not enough time right now to search through this whole forum, but I am curious how people interact when they are in shared dreams. Do you actually see one another, do fun stuff together, then wake up and remember every detail exactly the same? If it were like that, I would almost have to believe there is something supernatural at work here. But my idea is that they might just be a regular dream where you see a friend, then wake up in the morning, call you friend up, say that you dreamed together, then your friend think about it for a minute and says, "Oh ya I think I remember that sort of." If they were like that then I would say that they don't actually exist and are just imagined. I don't think I have read enough experiences of them to tell how they actually are. I have only read a few. Also, how exactly are shared dreams thought to work? Is it one entire plane where every single person is, and you meet others? Or is it where you "invite" another person to your dream, and the dream still takes place inside one of the people's heads but multiple people are there?

Oh and one more thing. Mikeac, you said that if a lot of people believe in something, it can't be fake. That isn't true. Most of the world used to believe the earth was flat, and now we know for an absolute fact that it is spherical. Humans as an entire race have an extremely limited perception of reality. We can compensate for this with technology and experimentation, but that all takes time to evolve. A thousand years from now we will know things/make things that you and me will never have even dreamed of. Just like we have learned/built things now that people in the year 1000 would have never dreamed of. Humans as a race probably has a lot of false ideas. Less then we did a thousand years ago, but still a lot. In the year 3000 we will probably still have some false ideas, but not nearly as many as we do now. So don't believe something just because a lot of people believe it.

Well, I can't say you are wrong. I guess it is in the matter in how you think. Eyelashes are created to keep dust out of your eyes, toes are used to make running more efficient, and hair keep you warm. Although, these aren't necessary, they make life somewhat more efficient. Evolution isn't a matter of survive or become extinct, it is the matter of mutate and see what happens. But yeah, evolution is just a theory.

Sometimes shared dreaming can be the power of suggestion, and creation of false memories. In the deep dreaming section there is proper dream etiquette, and how to invite people in your dream. But sometimes shared dreaming can actually be WITH a person. It's easier to tell if both people are highly lucid. Shared dreaming is dreaming on a single dream plane where every other shared dreamer is, OR dreaming in another person's inner dream world.

I know that I said if a lot of people believe in something, it has to be real. I worded that incorrectly. I meant to say when several people have had shared dreams, it could be just enough proof to state it's a good theory (again it's just a theory). The reason why people thought Earth was flat is because of the lack of technology, which you mentioned. Humans will basically always have false ideas, because of miscommunication, psychology, illogical reasoning, and such. I don't believe in religion because a lot of people believe in it. Mainly because religion is a man-made way to control people through the idea of God.

It has been a while since I have had an intelligent conversation.

PS. Humans like being raised under a single person because not everyone is capable of leading. Leaders are their own type of breed.

I have to say I agree with just about everything you have just said. I know this was an outlandish tail that folks dismiss as indulgent fiction,,but,,most of it is true on one level or another.

You have combined Gnostic traditions of a parasite God, with Zacharia Sitchins Annunkai, slapped in some Carlos Castaneda's mud shadow parsites. Spooned some whipped topping of Ingo Swann's Penetration, this is good stuff. Even the Bohemian grove stuff was good. The worms controlling portal travel, that is so awesome, like Frank Herberts Dune worms who supplied the spice for space travel. Either a magnificent deduction by yourself, or the power of Herberts mind to grope the truth about travel.

The thing is, you just made a stew with all of my favorite ingredients. If this was fiction it is a masterfull impartation of nessasary information that people need through an entertaining format.
If this shit is really happening to you,,,holy shit, where the ef do I get on.

You can't go through because your tethered to your body those portals or for those that pass on depending on there level.Lol you just might end up back here, and please if you don't need to fight the others don't you can be injured in your dreams. Work on your skills remember everything can be made into weapon even the ground you stand on.Also work on materiallization that's using the very atoms form to your will the more you work on it the faster you will become.Almost forgot don't attack everything you see please.

Sorry I mean that in the nicest way.It seems he has been to the dream world. He knows about the portals and he knows about the others but I've been going there for years and I still don't know the name of this dream realm and what the others are.I do know there not nice and I've been attacked by them they seem human in some cases but sometimes they take a demon form. I've never have come across a name nor have I heard anything about gods even though I'm sure there are.Also I would like to point out that he seems like he likes to curse. Why? I'm mad that these guys are tring to ruin mankind and keep men bound making them ignorant of this dream plain but saying all these profanities want help the cause.Please your reading this work on your abilities most of y'all arnt ready.Not for what's coming.

Do you know who is teaching the class? Because you seem to be the god of dream sharing around here.
And do you know how many people will be allowed in the class?

Emmmm... how much of that did you get from Assassin's Creed..?

But anyway, I'm pretty open minded but I have no idea what to think of the post... whoa, it's quite alot to process.

And Buddhism is pretty awesome

We are building a religion
we are building it bigger
we are widening the corridors
and adding more lanes

This sounds so awsome, I have very similar beleifs to you it seems nomad. Like I dont want to die or anything but at the same time I cant wait

Originally Posted by Nighthog

It's nice to see you put it all together on how you have seen the dream planes.

I've followed your journals quite much and feel much was already known to parts from reading all that but it's nice to see it all together in one place to get a quick shot at how it looks for you.

I explore the dream planes more and more but it has mainly been kept about and around my emotional needs and thoughts and obsessions. Though now and then I leap out to grab some more outer details. Sadly I haven't advanced as much as you have to see if what you say is plausible in all details for as to encompass a part of the 'history' as you put it.
I'm pretty much still wallowing in my own inner worlds as to put it.

It's nice to hear about this shared dreaming class. I'd look into it when you finally are about to start it up. Should be of help for me as well to get greater leaps ahead.

Cool man. Maybe I'll see some strange warthog talking to me on the moon again.

Originally Posted by Supernova

We are building a religion
we are building it bigger
we are widening the corridors
and adding more lanes

that's me in the corner
that's me in the
spot
light

Originally Posted by Ferret

This sounds so awsome, I have very similar beleifs to you it seems nomad. Like I dont want to die or anything but at the same time I cant wait

Yeah, man. I have no fear of death anymore. I just don't want people to be sad. Plus, I still got a lot of cool shit to do this lifetime!

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Yeah, man. I have no fear of death anymore. I just don't want people to be sad. Plus, I still got a lot of cool shit to do this lifetime!

I fully agree with that statement It is interesting and funny the first time i had some shrooms i faced that fear of dying hahaha But then it came to me that if i have to die before getting really old this means my time on Earth is done and i can go happy, so i got calmed and had a nice trip. Now whenever i have to die i will and thats it nothing more to think about it and as WakingNomad said theres a bunch of things to be done and tried. The only good point of thinking about death is to use it as a counselor as Castaneda said in his books

Originally Posted by LucidAvenger

I read this just before I fell asleep last night. I had a very long vivid dream, in which the illimunati were trying to destroy Catholic religion, I must say I only knew a couple of the DC's, and the illuminati were all talking in latin, I must admit They did not seem like DC's. The dream really freaked me out, for a while, because I was trying to protect my religion lol.

Please post that dream.

Originally Posted by kenietz

I fully agree with that statement It is interesting and funny the first time i had some shrooms i faced that fear of dying hahaha But then it came to me that if i have to die before getting really old this means my time on Earth is done and i can go happy, so i got calmed and had a nice trip. Now whenever i have to die i will and thats it nothing more to think about it and as WakingNomad said theres a bunch of things to be done and tried. The only good point of thinking about death is to use it as a counselor as Castaneda said in his books

Yeah man. I had that experience with salvia. I thought about my own death, how I am part of the earth, just a little mote on this giant organism floating in space, and when I die, I am going to become part of the earth again. I was fine with my own death. I shouted in exultation: I'M PART OF THE EARTH!!! At the top of my voice in the middle of these woods in a park in San Francisco. It was epic.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Yeah man. I had that experience with salvia. I thought about my own death, how I am part of the earth, just a little mote on this giant organism floating in space, and when I die, I am going to become part of the earth again. I was fine with my own death. I shouted in exultation: I'M PART OF THE EARTH!!! At the top of my voice in the middle of these woods in a park in San Francisco. It was epic.

I know exactly what you mean Once i was smoking MJ in the park and watching the grass on which i was lying when i got that message. I felt something which ive put into a poem which came byitself
"And we just like the grass
are trying to grow and to survive
but theres always someone
to cut or step on us
Thats what im thinkin
while relaxin on beautiful meadow
im sorry and thank you little grass
my turn will come someday
and then ill feed you"

I read this just before I fell asleep last night. I had a very long vivid dream, in which the illimunati were trying to destroy Catholic religion, I must say I only knew a couple of the DC's, and the illuminati were all talking in latin, I must admit They did not seem like DC's. The dream really freaked me out, for a while, because I was trying to protect my religion lol.

The dream started with my friend and I in a desert. We were searching for an important artifact, which had the Catholic book of Revelations and a phrase from the book of Genesis. The sand was hot underneath our feet. We finally found the artifact, it was A pot. After we dug up the artifact we were circled by a group of illuminati. They had white overalls which covered everything except their eyes. And They had wooden walking sticks. The leaders of the group were a man and woman. My friend and I were Kidnapped and we then appeared in a pyramaid type structure. We were in a library room. When I woke I put the paper with the phrase in a random book. The woman told me that I must give her the phrase. (She told us that the illimunati planned on Destroying Christianity by performing a ritual using the book and phrase) I refused to give her the phrase and so she tortured me. I still refused to give her the phrase. Then another man said that she could find the phrase in genesis. She took Genesis and found a phrase, which was not the same. She thought it was the right phrase though. Then a group of people came in to help us. They cornered the illuminati. The illuminati woman then blew away the group of people by blasting a huge Pink plasma shot at the group who came in, then they dispareared. The only person I recognised in the dream was my friend.
The first time I typed this it got lost so I shortened it a little. And sorry for all the typing errors I had to do it quickly.

I'm with you man, just cant wait till your shared dreaming class.