Thread: Laws of the Dream Plane, Dream Battle Theory

This is why I like WakingNomad. He's got all these crazy ideas and yet they somehow make sense.

What if someone fired a bolt of pure energy at you with no elemental properties? Apart from evading it and taking the hit, what're your options?

Originally Posted by fOrceez

What if someone fired a bolt of pure energy at you with no elemental properties? Apart from evading it and taking the hit, what're your options?

There is no pure energy I don't think. Ummmm shit I don't know for sure if that makes sense. But basically different energies have different intent behind them.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

There is no pure energy I don't think. Ummmm shit I don't know for sure if that makes sense. But basically different energies have different intent behind them.

Right, sorry.
Nomad explains about using the opposite elements to nullify an attack, what I meant was if they shot a bolt of energy at you with intent to harm, but no elemental properties. How do you counter that without evading and taking the hit? Would it just be fighting fire with fire, and the hottest would win ?

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Right, sorry.
Nomad explains about using the opposite elements to nullify an attack, what I meant was if they shot a bolt of energy at you with intent to harm, but no elemental properties. How do you counter that without evading and taking the hit? Would it just be fighting fire with fire, and the hottest would win ?

Absorb it, let it go through you, or reflect it.

This is amazing, and helpful.
Now I know how to deal with hostile people once I get to the dream plane.

But what happens when you get hit in the dream plane?
Do you feel the pain of it and sometimes lose focus and wake up, or does something else happen?

Sometimes you feel pain if you expect it, sometimes the impact makes you lose focus or wakes you up. Other times you will simply not want to get hit anymore and so you fight smarter. It's really your reaction to getting hit that determines if you stay dreaming or simply wake up.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Right, sorry.
Nomad explains about using the opposite elements to nullify an attack, what I meant was if they shot a bolt of energy at you with intent to harm, but no elemental properties. How do you counter that without evading and taking the hit? Would it just be fighting fire with fire, and the hottest would win ?

another question that could be posed is it really possible to summon pure energy? Since we don't actually have any idea as to what "essence of energy" is how would we summon this pure energy? Wouldn't we just put it in the form of whatever our purest form of archetype is?( for example if we really like water elemental based attacks the pure energy would take the form of pure water.)

Originally Posted by Alpha502

This is amazing, and helpful.
Now I know how to deal with hostile people once I get to the dream plane.

But what happens when you get hit in the dream plane?
Do you feel the pain of it and sometimes lose focus and wake up, or does something else happen?

Whenever you dream you are in the Dream Plane.

Originally Posted by quassom

another question that could be posed is it really possible to summon pure energy? Since we don't actually have any idea as to what "essence of energy" is how would we summon this pure energy? Wouldn't we just put it in the form of whatever our purest form of archetype is?( for example if we really like water elemental based attacks the pure energy would take the form of pure water.)

I don't know! You tell me. Describe a pure energy attack.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

The problem here is that everything requires your attention to exist. If you're looking at him, waiting for him to go away or disappear, you're actually doing the opposite of your intent. By focusing on your opponent, you're causing him to be real. If you want them to go away, you have to ignore them. Turn your back on them them and put them out of your mind.

Actually, a good old punch is way more effective and reliable than the more intricate methods of dispatching foes. It's a tried and true archetype. The more complex a method you use, the more that can go wrong.

And it sounds like just a regular dream character, especially the way it charged at you when you saw it.

This is where I disagree with The Cusp, though I agree with about 85% of what he says about dreaming, and I learned a lot from him. In my experience DC's will disappear if you ignore them, but not sentient beings.

bumping for reference.

Originally Posted by Baking Nomad

If you think this is ridiculous, please test out these laws in your lucid dream battles to see if they work or not. I challenge you to disprove these laws through your dreams.

To understand dream Battling, you must understand the Laws of the Dream Plane. Just as there are physical laws, physics, there are dreamical laws, dreamics.

First some laws of the dream plane:

1) The dream plane is made of pure energy.

2) Thoughts are pure energy.

3) There are different types of beings in dreams: DC's, dreamers, interdimensional beings, non-sentient beings, and semi-sentient beings.

a) DC's: Dream Characters. Manifestations of a dreamer's mind. They will disappear as soon as the dream stops thinking about them.
b) Dreamers: Other dreamers from Earth, the physical plane.
c) Inter-dimensional Beings: Sentient beings not from earth.
d) non-sentient beings: these creatures are alive, yet have the mind of a simple organism such as a clam.
e) semi-sentient: these are creatures that are partially aware of themselves, such as many animals.

4) We all have an Inner World. Our Inner World is an infinite world of our subconscious mind's creation. "My" dream is a dream in my Inner World.

5) The Outer World is the dream plane beyond a meeting of minds. The Outer World is another total plane of existence.

6) Each Dimension is made of three planes: the dream plane, the physical plane, the astral plane.

The Physical Plane
The physical plane is where the physical waking world is.

The Astral Plane
The astral plane is between the dream plane and the physical. The astral plane is the real of remote viewing and astral projection. In the astral plane, you perceive some of the physical plane, and some of the dream plane simultaneously. Remote viewers are taught to filter out the dream plane, and focus on the physical by keeping their eyes open. Astral projection is more spiritually focused, and intentional AP'ers (which is inducing and out-of-body-experience), will be more aware of the dream plane. People astral project in their sleep all the time.

The Dream Plane
The dream plane is a plane of pure energy. Thought appears instantly on the dream plane. Intelligent and creative people can be very powerful on the dream plane no matter what state their physical body is in.

Different types of Battle scenarios:

Dreamer vs. DC's:
If you are fighting your own DC's, you can instantly kill them all, love them all, or ignore them, and they will be instantly defeated. If you are battling another person's DC's, you are indirectly fighting that person, so see the rules of dreamer vs. dreamer, and dreamer vs. sentient being.

Dreamer vs. Dreamer:
- In this scenario archetype, attention, and energy are all key.

Dreamer vs. Inter-dimensional or Sentient Being
- The rules are basically the same for fighting dreamer vs. dreamer, but generally inter-dimensional beings are more aware of the dream plane, especially whether they are in someone else's dream, their dream, a mix of the two, or in the Outer World. They may or may not have a physical body in their home dimension. They may have been living on the dream plane for centuries, or untold millennia, therefore can be extremely powerful.

Archetypes
Archetype means our frame of reference. Here's an example: You are into magic, so you shoot fireballs at an enemy. He becomes a water elemental, and puts out your fireballs. Another person fires a gun instead. The opponent becomes a block of granite. These are examples of a countering defense based on archetype. A good example of this is the wizard vs. witch battle at the end of The Sword in the Stone. Other examples of dream battling: Dragon Ball Z, Avatar, D&D.

- Even if you ignore a dreamer's attack, you will still get attacked, because the other dreamer is sending antagonistic energy toward you which will not disappear just because you ignore the dreamer, since the dreamer is more than a manifestation of your thought.

- There is always a weakness in every attack that can be exploited for a defensive counterattack. The weakness is based on the originator's archetypes. For example: The weakness of fire is water.

Attention
Attention is focusing energy. If you give another dreamer too much attention, they can actually steal your energy.

Example: Tooth moves to attack me in slow motion, with a giant zombie fist. I am fascinated yet disgusted with the detail of the zombie fist. I can see the rotting flesh, and even maggots crawling in it. I want to puke. BAM! He socks me right in the forehead.

So, in the example, I gave so much attention to his fist, it consumed my thoughts for a split second, and he was able to get a hit in. In other words, he stole my energy for a second by stealing my attention.

Energy can be pulled using attention in any way. Using Cuteness, Beauty, Sexiness, Disgustingness, Size, Ugliness, Hilarity, Sympathy, Fear are some techniques to name a few.

Solution: Learn how to be aware of everything. Do not allow any one thing to draw your focus for too long. This can be likened to Perseus using a shield as a mirror so as not to look into the face of Medusa.

Energy

The entire dream plane is energy. Therefore ignoring another dreamer's attack is not effective. Energy gives us strength and endurance. There are basically two types of attacks, a pull attack, and a push attack. A pull attack is taking the opponent's energy away.

Dreamer vs. Non-sentient beings

Non-sentient beings that will attack you are parasites. The benign non-sentient beings draw energy from the ambient energy. There are also non-sentient beings that draw energy from these, like animals, and so on. These parasites attach to you, or infect your dream body and feed off of your energy.

Dreamer vs. Semi-Sentient Beings

These may be beings evolving toward sentience. They are like many of the animals, such as dogs, which have a level of sentience, but not to the level of elephants, dolphins, or humans. These may be simple minded, but they may have been living on the dream plane for a long time. They may attack in packs or swarms.

Hi Baking Nomad,

Interesting theory and good read. I enjoyed it.

I've read from a lot of books and websites. I've watched a lot of instructional videos as well as movies. I played AD&D every Sunday for 10 years. I've had various lucid experiences of my own. I'm familiar with this kind of thinking.

It's one of many possible general frameworks for a dream world. It may be helpful for anyone who is experiencing something similar during an LD.

However, I can't help to wonder how much of it is subjective vs. objective.

Everything we get exposed to makes an impression on our mind. The more you get exposed to something, the stronger the impression. The more you see it, hear it, or think about it, the stronger the impression. It's something to keep in mind.

Some people have predominantly pleasant inner experiences. Not everyone ends up battling someone every time or every other time.

Some people have a very high degree of control over what happens and over how safe they feel whether in AP or LD.

You're saying that the Dream Plane is significantly objective. You'd need to objectively test your theory. Only way to put that to the test is to meet someone else there. You would both have to remember the experience and you would both have to agree on many of the same details in regards to the landscape, characters, and dialogue to prove objectivity. Else you would have to admit that it was your own private and very subjective Dream Plane. Same would be true for an AP experience.

Cool system for you though. Handle it in whatever way you find most pleasing, comfortable and effective. Do whatever you need to do to feel safe. Good that you shared it so that people under attack at least have some means of defending themselves. I'm sure they will appreciate your teachings the most.

I do appreciate that you shared your philosophy and presented an intriguing framework. You clearly put some time into arranging it as food for thought and an enjoyable read.

~EnergyWorker~

Very concise. The part about countering defense based on archetype, I must say, however can work with the opposite approach as well. If enveloped in extreme cold I prefer to become the cold so that it doesn't affect me. After trying this the first time, I awoke with a short poem on the brain - I am the cold, I am the heat, I am whatever I need to be.