Originally Posted by WakingNomad
I am not interested in convincing anyone of anything. I state my ideas and opinions, and if people are interested, we discuss, if not, we don't.
GMoney
Why not??
Because it's impossible to convince someone. They have to experience it for themselves.
If what you're saying is true, it's incredibly radical and a major breakthrough in modern science. If you don't want to become famous/rich for discovering something potentially useful and universal, I'm not sure what to say.
I am not interested in riches and fame.
If you really can share dreams, why don't you do it with the people who don't believe you?
I have. They don't remember.
Why would you rather argue over theories than actually go into their dreams and prove them wrong?
see above.
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
One dreamer going into another's dream to make them lucid, to make them remember their dreams, or to convince them of shared dreaming doesn't work very well.
GMoney
Why is that?
I don't know. I have tried many times. It's nearly impossible for Raven to make me lucid when I don't want to be. Apparently Dream Recall and Lucidity are two skills people must do for themselves.
There's absolutely no reason why that should be the case. So you're trying to tell me that if you try to have a shared dream you can't, but if you don't try it will happen naturally?
No. I am saying under optimal conditions, both dreamers have some degree of mastery of the two most important dream skills.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Why can Raven remember your shared dreams but Walms/Hukif can't?
I don't know. Walms and I remember each other, but not too well. I don't know who Hukif is. Raven and I shared dreams as kids, so that's one reason why it's easy for us.
If shared dreaming is real it has to be universal. You can't share dreams with some people but not others - it's everyone or no one.
Correct.
You consistently decline challenges to prove your point and avoid actually providing evidence for what you're claiming. If you were arguing something impossible or invisible, I would understand why. But you're advocating a viewpoint that can be easily proven!!
No, it can't easily be proven. You are suggesting I enter the dreams of skeptics to convince them shared dreaming is real. Raven and I tried that. I am not going to do it again. It's a waste of energy. 1) They may not remember the dream. 2) They may not recognize me. 3) I may not remember the dream. The only way to prove scientifically that shared dreaming is real, is for two shared dreamers to go into a sleep lab where they are isolated from each other. Then, they can be given a place to meet up in dreams by a third party, and write their dreams down the next morning.
However, there are only about six sleep labs on the continent of North America. I actually have tried to contact Stephen Laberge, and various sleep and dream scientists. They are all either flaky, or don't return my calls or emails. Mainstream Western science is uninterested in shared dreaming.
Why are you hiding and evading any rational explanations?
Rational explanation for what? Shared dreaming? Here's the explanation. The Dream Plane is another plane of existence, greater than the meeting of minds. Our dream bodies go there when we dream.
If you're not going to back up your statements when you (supposedly) have the ability to, you need to stop trying to get others to believe what you're saying.
I am not trying to get others to believe what I am saying. People can believe whatever they want.
Provide evidence or stop talking about it.
No.
