Lucid techniques to attain lucidity?

Is it really neccessary to techniques such as dilds, wilds or others to get into a lucid dream? I would really like to try some of these techniques but i am unable to because it takes me so long to go to sleep. I don't go to sleep til around between 2 and 3 am. Sometimes i can get into a lucid but i don't really do rcs any more like i use to i just realize i'm dreaming. But now i barely have 1 lucid a week and if that. Will i have a better chance of getting into a lucid if i try one of these techniques in this forum? I would really like to try a wild.

i think you should keep practicing what you are doing.

and if you take ages to fall asleep normally, then a WILD will have you up till sunrise.

I agree with him...I am not the greatest person on falling asleep...I tried to wild and two hours later I gave up.

Okay, I WILD is where you wake during the night, but don't move and then fall back to sleep?

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Originally Posted by Paradox-db3

Okay, I WILD is where you wake during the night, but don't move and then fall back to sleep?

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Please read these:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...splay.php?f=75

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Originally Posted by Paradox-db3

Okay, I WILD is where you wake during the night, but don't move and then fall back to sleep?

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a wild is where you stay still for a while until you fall asleep into a ld.
What your saying is something like a wbtb and a wild.

Not necessary at all to do any ILD techniques. Those things keep me awake too.

An alternative would be to become a "natural". Lucidity is a byproduct of heightened awareness. If you can become more aware during your daily life, you should start to get lucids. One of the best ways to achieve this is to turn off the inner dialogue in your head. Not the easiest thing to do, but stick with it and it can be done. Meditation might help also.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Not necessary at all to do any ILD techniques. Those things keep me awake too.

An alternative would be to become a "natural". Lucidity is a byproduct of heightened awareness. If you can become more aware during your daily life, you should start to get lucids. One of the best ways to achieve this is to turn off the inner dialogue in your head. Not the easiest thing to do, but stick with it and it can be done. Meditation might help also.

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Turning off the "inner dialogue" in my head won't be an option! The "voices" are constantly talking to me. Just last night, I tried a WILD and it started out with me focusing on my car. Within minutes, I was getting images of my car spinning slowly on a platform, like at a fancy car show or something, and then very shortly after that, Lightening McQueen was the car and was talking to me! But I still don't think I had any LDs.

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Originally Posted by Paradox-db3

Turning off the "inner dialogue" in my head won't be an option! The "voices" are constantly talking to me. Just last night, I tried a WILD and it started out with me focusing on my car. Within minutes, I was getting images of my car spinning slowly on a platform, like at a fancy car show or something, and then very shortly after that, Lightening McQueen was the car and was talking to me! But I still don't think I had any LDs.

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Thought-Control Exercises:
Breathing Thoughts Away: Center your attention on the process of breathing, using this to hold
your mind totally clear. Feel each breath entering your body and filling your lungs, then feel it
leaving your body. Follow the breathing process with your mind, but do not think about it. Feel it,
be aware of it, let the feeling of breathing occupy your entire mind. This exercise is enough to
occupy the surface mind and to keep its rambling thoughts at bay.
If you need more than this, count your breaths. Count up to ten breaths, then start over again.
Mentally counting is not a breach of thought-control discipline. When you count each number, drag
out the mental word over the whole of each breath. For example, follow the IN breath carefully and
then count (mentally) "Onneeeee" (one) for the entire OUT breath. Hold your mind clear during the
next IN breath and count (mentally) "Twwooooo" (two) for the whole of the OUT breath.
While you are holding your mind clear, surface thoughts will attempt to creep back into your
mind. When this begins to happen (and it always will in the early stages) quickly and firmly push
them away before they have a chance to take hold and complete their message. You will get
progressively better at this with a little practice. You will soon be able to detect thought pressure
alone, and thus stop thoughts before they have the chance to form into actual mental words inside
your surface mind.
When you get to the stage where you can sense the pressure of thoughts as they are about to
start, you are really getting somewhere. You can then begin pushing thought pressures away before
they can form into actual thoughts. Eventually, with a little practice, you will be able to hold your
surface mind totally clear, like a blank slate. The pressure of thoughts wanting to start will stay with
you for some time, even after you master them. This pressure will, however, progressively ease
with regular practice.

Thought-Control Example:
A surface thought: "Right, I better get the cat a new flea collar..."
"Right, I better get the cat a new fl..."
Becomes: "Right, I better get the ca..."
"Right, I better ge..."
Getting better: "Right, I bet..."
"Right, ?..."
"R???..."
Nearly got it: "???..."
"...?..." — This is the pressure of a thought about to start
Almost there: "......" — Lessening thought pressure
"..." — Hardly any thought pressure
Perfect!: "?" — No thought pressure at all = clear surface mind

Thought-control and concentration exercises should be done daily for at least five minutes in
total, and for longer if possible. This is best spread out over the day and made into several smaller
exercises. (Waiting and traveling time can be put to good use.) Although this can be difficult and
frustrating in the early stages, with a little regular practice the surface mind can be held clear with
very little effort for extended periods of time.

Wow DreamChaser, you really put it all out there.:)
Yeah, I use that a lot when trying to clear my mind and focus on my breathing. Im guessing that this is a mild form of meditation?

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Originally Posted by Paradox-db3

Turning off the "inner dialogue" in my head won't be an option! The "voices" are constantly talking to me. Just last night, I tried a WILD and it started out with me focusing on my car. Within minutes, I was getting images of my car spinning slowly on a platform, like at a fancy car show or something, and then very shortly after that, Lightening McQueen was the car and was talking to me! But I still don't think I had any LDs.

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Try to do exactly what DreamChaser has told you to do to the best of your abilities. You'll see over time how you get better and better at it with sustained practice. The focusing on your breathing technique is quite reliable when trying to WILD but nothing is absolute.
And, if you're like me, then you'll have those nights/days where you're mind/body simply wont let you going back to sleep for some unknown reason. If or when this happens, you'll just have to accept it and get ready for your well deserved REM rebound the next day.

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Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Thought-Control Exercises:
Breathing Thoughts Away: Center your attention on the process of breathing, using this to hold
your mind totally clear. Feel each breath entering your body and filling your lungs, then feel it
leaving your body. Follow the breathing process with your mind, but do not think about it. Feel it,
be aware of it, let the feeling of breathing occupy your entire mind. This exercise is enough to
occupy the surface mind and to keep its rambling thoughts at bay.
If you need more than this, count your breaths. Count up to ten breaths, then start over again.
Mentally counting is not a breach of thought-control discipline. When you count each number, drag
out the mental word over the whole of each breath. For example, follow the IN breath carefully and
then count (mentally) "Onneeeee" (one) for the entire OUT breath. Hold your mind clear during the
next IN breath and count (mentally) "Twwooooo" (two) for the whole of the OUT breath.
While you are holding your mind clear, surface thoughts will attempt to creep back into your
mind. When this begins to happen (and it always will in the early stages) quickly and firmly push
them away before they have a chance to take hold and complete their message. You will get
progressively better at this with a little practice. You will soon be able to detect thought pressure
alone, and thus stop thoughts before they have the chance to form into actual mental words inside
your surface mind.
When you get to the stage where you can sense the pressure of thoughts as they are about to
start, you are really getting somewhere. You can then begin pushing thought pressures away before
they can form into actual thoughts. Eventually, with a little practice, you will be able to hold your
surface mind totally clear, like a blank slate. The pressure of thoughts wanting to start will stay with
you for some time, even after you master them. This pressure will, however, progressively ease
with regular practice.

Thought-Control Example:
A surface thought: "Right, I better get the cat a new flea collar..."
"Right, I better get the cat a new fl..."
Becomes: "Right, I better get the ca..."
"Right, I better ge..."
Getting better: "Right, I bet..."
"Right, ?..."
"R???..."
Nearly got it: "???..."
"...?..." — This is the pressure of a thought about to start
Almost there: "......" — Lessening thought pressure
"..." — Hardly any thought pressure
Perfect!: "?" — No thought pressure at all = clear surface mind

Thought-control and concentration exercises should be done daily for at least five minutes in
total, and for longer if possible. This is best spread out over the day and made into several smaller
exercises. (Waiting and traveling time can be put to good use.) Although this can be difficult and
frustrating in the early stages, with a little regular practice the surface mind can be held clear with
very little effort for extended periods of time.

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Nice explanation. :D

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Originally Posted by Paradox-db3

The "voices" are constantly talking to me.

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Creepy...

Err. why does turning off voices in your head result in heightened awareness?
If you're more aware of things, surely that would mean also being more aware of the thoughts?
Is there some other information on this I'm missing?