New to forum, this is great! How I induce a WILD...

First let me say that this is great that there is a forum out there to help people do this. For the longest time, I thought I was one of a select few who could do this. Who knew there was a whole world out there!? I don't subscribe to any series or programs to help me do this, my college psychology professor told me how to do it in 1993, and after getting good at lucid dreaming, I actually accidentally had a wake-induced-lucid-dream, or WILD. Funny that I checked out this forum and people are actually using that acronym! I do it all the time now. I can almost do it on command. I am lucky I suppose after seeing so many struggle with it.

Here is the easiest way that I know how to lucid dream...

1. Be tired. Have you ever come home from a long day at work and you just fall asleep in minutes on the couch? And you immediately start dreaming? Then you wake up and you can swear that your dream lasted quite long when in reality it has only been a few minutes? This is by far the best time to do it.

2. If you find yourself doing that, and you wake up and realize you have been dreaming, don't move your body, that will further pull you out of sleep paralysis, just lie your head down and try to return to that dream state. Lie your head down in the same position, and keep just a whisp of consciousness and try to imagine your preferred dreamscape.

3. When that dreamscape (or surrounding) is in place in your mind and you are still half-asleep but still slightly conscious, picture something in your dream that is spinning slowly. What I use (this sounds stupid) is a fire hydrant with a wheel on top that is going about 10 RPMs, which is fast enough to see but slow enough that you can put your hands on it for a second.

4. Don't open your eyes ever... move your hand a bit, did it move in real life? Did you feel it brush against your leg? If it did, wait a bit longer. If it is slow to respond, even better. Don't let the response get too slow though or you'll fall asleep and lose it...when your hands (only your hands) feel sluggish, start trying to grab that wheel, but only for a second at a time. It's almost like a sync thing. You have to be in sync with the dream.

5. You know how you grab a hot pan handle? You grab it good then let go, then grab it again and let go, time after time....do that to the wheel. When it finally starts to feel real and sustainable in your hands, then hold it longer each time, and eventually it will pull you in. Sometimes you have to grab that wheel and hang on if you start waking up.

The reason that I use my hands is because my hands are the first things to go into paralysis. I use my hands because they will pull the rest of my body into the dream. They are also the last things to come out. Haven't you ever awoke from a dream where you had your hands on something, and when you start waking up and coming out of the dream, it kinda still feels like it is there? You grasp more and more but then it is gone, and you are no longer a lottery winner! Simply because your hands are the last out of paralysis, still kind of in the dream and having memory of what you were last holding...

Anyway, that is how I do it, I do it all the time, can't even count the times I've done it in 15 years, must be hundreds or even thousands.

One word of caution, though...you may not realize it the first time because it is so realistic. Best to do it alone so when you do test your ability in the dream, there is nobody around to snicker...(at the same time, having people around in the house truly makes it easier because then you can use the sound of their voices as judgment for paralysis)

I hope this helps somebody!

SkeletalRemains

I have been looking at some of the posts on this forum and I see people who hear screaming and experience weird movements and other things that I have never experienced. Not that it's not normal or anything, but my method assumes that you've been asleep (ie, the hard work is done already) you just have to wake up, realize what's going on, relax again, and start lucid dreaming. Just to give you a time reference, the method I describe above usually won't take more than about a minute if you've already been asleep.

The way I usually do it is just the same as above, but I don't fall asleep first (it's just quicker that way for me). When using that method, I usually do it in about 3-5 minutes. If you are a big lucid dreamer and want to try something new, go back to that spinning wheel and give it a fast whirl, it'll stay spinning at whatever speed you spin it at, that speeds your dream up in real-time...you can dream more in a shorter period of time. Of course when you come out of your dream you are more disoriented though and sometimes you can have a bit of a headache...

SkeletalRemains

One last thing, I would only try speeding up that wheel if you have been lucid dreaming for awhile, say 6 months or a year. Speeding it up without being able to hold that dream sensation properly will toss you out very quickly. Have fun!

SkeletalRemains

Oh the similarities :D
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=65626

Could you describe more on about synching, that seemed a little confusing. I got that, once your hand becomes sluggish, you will grab the wheel (that's already moving by your will?), to spin it more? I'm interested about your talk of synchronization.

Wished you joined this forum earlier as to speed up my research in this particular area of inducing lucidity: )

Who would have thought that someone has such a similar method! The wheel should be a continually moving thing, always the same speed (for now). Just imagine it as your 'sync rate', don't really know how to explain it. The reason that you grab and then let go is to solve the problem of sudden realization of lucidity. Basically you are 'averaging' the feeling together with your normal semi-paralyzed state by grabbing and letting go many times over, until you can comfortably hold onto the wheel and stay in the dream. Sync may just be the word I am using to make it easier to explain, maybe you don't need to be in sync with the dream, it just feels that way...

Does this make sense when I say 'averaging the feeling together'? that should solve problems where people find out they are lucid and wake up right away. This allows them to stand on the edge of the dream state and grab on when it is right...

SR

good advices

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Originally Posted by SkeletalRemains

Who would have thought that someone has such a similar method! The wheel should be a continually moving thing, always the same speed (for now). Just imagine it as your 'sync rate', don't really know how to explain it. The reason that you grab and then let go is to solve the problem of sudden realization of lucidity. Basically you are 'averaging' the feeling together with your normal semi-paralyzed state by grabbing and letting go many times over, until you can comfortably hold onto the wheel and stay in the dream. Sync may just be the word I am using to make it easier to explain, maybe you don't need to be in sync with the dream, it just feels that way...

Does this make sense when I say 'averaging the feeling together'? that should solve problems where people find out they are lucid and wake up right away. This allows them to stand on the edge of the dream state and grab on when it is right...

SR

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Uh. Its still a little confusing how you put it, though the concept is understandable on how you speak of knowing when you pass the borderline

I would say the next time you are almost there, give the wheel a try. Imagine yourself looking into your dreamscape through a portal right beside the hydrant wheel (like I said, I know that sounds weird, but anyway). Imagine that you can reach your arms (without stepping through) into the portal and touch the wheel, then only jump in when you feel like you can hold on.

You know, I have actually told a few friends how to do this (a little more at length although) and many of them were able to do it the first time even for a few seconds, and that's never having tried at all. So approach it without intensity, even a bit of disbelief, ie: don't try so hard...

SR

That's great advice! Question: When I think of grabbing a spinning wheel, I would think it would like hurt my hand if I grab it, and it's already spinning. Or do you make it spin very slow?

Please give as much more details on this method as you can. The more details the better :banana:

do you move your real hand to imagine it holding the wheel?
or do you imagine your dream hand holding it?

That is a good question. Your dream hand vs. your real hand is not a binary thing (ie: either it is or it isn't). In other words, half of your hand may be in SP and the other half not. There is always a mix for me.

Basically, when I am ready to go in. I move my real hand (the only hand I have, right?) but I judge how sluggish it is based on it's movement against the rest of my body (you can feel the sluggishness easily). So your real hand will move a bit but not all the way. move it slowly enough that your physical hand stays where it is. If your physical hand moves all the way to the extent of your dream hand, then you aren't experiencing SP in that hand/arm (keep trying to relax). Keep moving it and staying completely still otherwise. When you grab the wheel, which is spinning slowly enough to grab, it will pull the rest of your body in...

By the way, the spinning wheel is spinning at the rate that you feel most comfortable with, not any faster.

SR

I can understand if you can't explain it to us from your perspective, but I can pick up from what you're saying though. Basically you test to feel your responses on your hand by determining if it moves accordingly or not. In this respect, when you say sluggish, I think your saying that when you move your hand a bit, theres that sort of lazy blocking feeling that prevents it from moving anymore, unless you put more effort in moving it, correct? When you do feel this sluggish response of not being able to move your hand, without putting more effort, you should move your hand just enough so it doesn't past that sluggish block, but enough to use the feeling as if you're moving it so that you can grab the spinning wheel that will logically pull you in like how a kite thread is pulled in from a spool.

This is the synthesis of what I got but some parts may be incorrect.

Malac, you're spot on! That's what I'm saying exactly. Jeez it is so hard to explain but to talk to others who have similar experiences is amazing.

By the way, the reason I use a fire hydrant with a wheel is because it can in nearly any dreamscape and not be too far out of place. If I wanted to be in a boiler room, I would simply envision a wheel on the side of a pipe valve. It has to be something in one place that is turning at a comfortable level for you to grab.

SR

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Originally Posted by SkeletalRemains

Malac, you're spot on! That's what I'm saying exactly. Jeez it is so hard to explain but to talk to others who have similar experiences is amazing.

By the way, the reason I use a fire hydrant with a wheel is because it can in nearly any dreamscape and not be too far out of place. If I wanted to be in a boiler room, I would simply envision a wheel on the side of a pipe valve. It has to be something in one place that is turning at a comfortable level for you to grab.

SR

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So for you to even grab the wheel you need to be seeing a dreamscape? Before I read this, I was going to ask, what if you can't see a wheel? I see some HI, but don't really get to the point of a dreamscape.