Quote Originally Posted by moonshine View Post
FYI RB's not making reference to that particular discussion. He's making reference to your previous assertions on SP during WILDs.
I was replying to the subject of this discussion. It was your choice to change the subject, not mine.

You know, were you stated that you didn't beleive that SP could be used to enter dreams, and several posters offered "counterexamples" which "falsified" your "hypothesis".

Hey, what do you think about the papers conclusion that atonia occours outside REM? Muscle atonia = rem atonia.
Interesting no?
Sleep paralysis is a sleep disorder where
  1. motor activity is inhibited by blockade of neurons in the brainstem
  2. the person is normally awake or at least not in REM sleep

I have said very clearly, on multiple occasions, that you can initiate a WILD from sleep paralysis, so please stop lying. Misrepresenting an opponent's position is called a straw man argument. This is one of the lowest and most disingenuous debating tactics, so either you are incapable of rational debate or you are simply dishonest.

What I have also said, and which is entirely consistent with the above as well as existing research, is that if you are not afflicted with the disorder sleep paralysis, there is no evidence that you can induce it at will. In order to falsify this, you would need to show that both points 1 and 2 above are present for subjects that are not afflicted with sleep paralysis.

You have cited the paper by Werth et al. to support your point, but it doesn't show point 1, because the method employed was to measure submental EMG, that is, they simply measured the muscle tension in the subject's chin, and then they set an arbitrary limit and called everything below that limit "atonia". Low muscle tension in the chin is not evidence of blockade of motor neurons in the brainstem.