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Anyway, to not clog up Malac's thread I made another thread, with a more successful and less gay variation of his theory. This involves no visualization.

So basically, I have to wake up 9pm most days. So I do this technique at 8pm. Its really improtant to do this an hour before you wake up. You have to abit tired.

So you wake up at 8pm and then just lay there. Now relax, this is improtant, note no meditation. You will find there will be hallucinations like for example sounds or random thoughts distracting you.

So when the hallucinations get strong like for example you can hear stuff or colours appears, quickly get out of you're bed. You should start by moving you're arms up and then get out of you're bed.

Then look for something to varify its a dream, for example is the time wrong or something is missing. If so you have succeeded, walk out of you're dream house. If not try again.

The dreams feels real, and before you get fully into the dream you will fill like you're actually moving you're body. This is a trick, so I would look for signs that it is a dream.

Note. When seeing hallucinations it improtant to quickly get out of you're bed and then check to see if you're in a dream, even if you think its silly. As you might get lucky and it builds the habit of doing it.

So in basic words,

1)Wake up an hour before you have to wake up.
2)Wait for hallucinations to happen.
3)Quickly move out of you're bed.
4)Check to see if in dream.
5)If not try again.

The good thing about this technique is that you can keep on trying and if you fail then you just have a normal dream of which when you wake up you can remeber. Saying that I been really succesfull so far, although the lucid dreams in this technique can be pretty bad, like being chased by a hammer.

P.S. The M stands for Malac or movement.

I think I'll give this a shot; thanks for the info.

Around what percentage of the times you try does this work for you?

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I think I'll give this a shot; thanks for the info.

Around what percentage of the times you try does this work for you?

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About 30-40%, however its kind of like flipping a coin every ten minautes waiting to get a heads. You could move the time back half an hour, so you have an hour an a half to try and do this.

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About 30-40%, however its kind of like flipping a coin every ten minautes waiting to get a heads. You could move the time back half an hour, so you have an hour an a half to try and do this.

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So this normally works for you almost every morning, it just may take 3 or 4 tries and 30 or 40 minutes?

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So this normally works for you almost every morning, it just may take 3 or 4 tries and 30 or 40 minutes?

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No, it takes about one or two tries to do it.

how long does it take you to start hearing hallucinations?

Heh, nice one Wendy:) I'm going to try out your variation and study the results and components involved that had been added and changed. Also, when you describe hallucinations, how strong? The amount that I desribed or something else. Please explain :D

What the fuck?

Are you kidding?

You're making it sound like you can't tell the difference between real life and a dream?

That's not the case at all though. Are you saying you lay in bed with your eyes open and wait for hallucinations? Are you on crack?

Seriously, is this a joke?







Last time I checked you have to fall asleep to dream.

What are you talking about get out of bed and look around to see if it's a dream? Are you saying that some times you get out of bed and you realize it's not a dream after you walk out your house?

Please clarify this for me.

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What the fuck?

Are you kidding?

You're making it sound like you can't tell the difference between real life and a dream?

That's not the case at all though. Are you saying you lay in bed with your eyes open and wait for hallucinations? Are you on crack?

Seriously, is this a joke?







Last time I checked you have to fall asleep to dream.

What are you talking about get out of bed and look around to see if it's a dream? Are you saying that some times you get out of bed and you realize it's not a dream after you walk out your house?

Please clarify this for me.

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Lol, are you sure your on the right forums. Everyone who might see your post might laugh or flame you so I would edit that. Plus the fact that this is Wendys thread and chances are she'll make a reply to make you look even worse. Just trying to help you out...

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how long does it take you to start hearing hallucinations?

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It depends, how tired you our. When you wake up quickly go back to bed for best results, also try to relax.

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Also, when you describe hallucinations, how strong?

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Not that strong, it just there needs to be hallucinations.

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You're making it sound like you can't tell the difference between real life and a dream?

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Thats actually true, I for one failed todays attempt because I didn't do an RC.

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Are you saying you lay in bed with your eyes open and wait for hallucinations?

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I haven't mention you're eyes are open.

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What are you talking about get out of bed and look around to see if it's a dream?

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Read the method, lol. Essentially when you have hallucinations you do this.

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Are you saying that some times you get out of bed and you realize it's not a dream after you walk out your house?

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No, again you do an RC or look for something different in you're room.

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What the fuck?

Are you kidding?

You're making it sound like you can't tell the difference between real life and a dream?

That's not the case at all though. Are you saying you lay in bed with your eyes open and wait for hallucinations? Are you on crack?

Seriously, is this a joke?


Last time I checked you have to fall asleep to dream.

What are you talking about get out of bed and look around to see if it's a dream? Are you saying that some times you get out of bed and you realize it's not a dream after you walk out your house?

Please clarify this for me.

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Wendy has said everything that needs to be said in response to this regarding the method, but, nevertheless: I urge you to please read a post before responding to it, especially if your response is going to be of this nature.


Also: Wendy:

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I have to wake up 9pm most days. So I do this technique at 8pm. Its really improtant to do this an hour before you wake up. You have to abit tired.

So you wake up at 8pm

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You may well be sleep during the day/evening for whatever reason, in which case, disregard me here, but if you actually meant that you wake up at nine in the morning, then you seem to have typoed 'pm' where you meant 'am', which changes the meaning significantly. Just a heads up.

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You may well be sleep during the day/evening for whatever reason, in which case, disregard me here, but if you actually meant that you wake up at nine in the morning, then you seem to have typoed 'pm' where you meant 'am', which changes the meaning significantly. Just a heads up.

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Yeah, I made a silly error, I mean't am.

Well, hallucinations can vary. There are the strong vivid images and then there are the "I think I saw some form of something". Could you describe more thoroughly?

Btw, instead of grabbing something last night, I did this and had an FA later on, so that shows interest. I guess since the fact that you're getting up with a mindset that you're still in your bed, it induces the environment to always initialize in a room.

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Well, hallucinations can vary. There are the strong vivid images and then there are the "I think I saw some form of something". Could you describe more thoroughly?

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Well, its when you're just about to nod off and you feel really light headed and can hear stuff. It doesn't have to be vivid, you just need to be light headed.

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Btw, instead of grabbing something last night, I did this and had an FA later on, so that shows interest. I guess since the fact that you're getting up with a mindset that you're still in your bed, it induces the environment to always initialize in a room.

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Thats basically what you want to do, you want a FA so then you can do a RC. Everytime this has worked for me its basically a FA or its like a FA.

Say you did it and it worked, then you would be in you're bedroom out of you're bed. Saying that it really realistic so straight away do an RC.

Let me make it more clear.

Hallucinations are good to look for, however if you get the feeling that time is slipping kind of like being dizzy or light headed then do it. However, you have to quickly get out of you're bed. Then you're in a FA, then do an RC. Also, it works better if you're relaxed and I not thinking that much, as you get that time slippy feeling quicker.

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Well, its when you're just about to nod off and you feel really light headed and can hear stuff. It doesn't have to be vivid, you just need to be light headed.


Thats basically what you want to do, you want a FA so then you can do a RC. Everytime this has worked for me its basically a FA or its like a FA.

Say you did it and it worked, then you would be in you're bedroom out of you're bed. Saying that it really realistic so straight away do an RC.

Let me make it more clear.

Hallucinations are good to look for, however if you get the feeling that time is slipping kind of like being dizzy or light headed then do it. However, you have to quickly get out of you're bed. Then you're in a FA, then do an RC. Also, it works better if you're relaxed and I not thinking that much, as you get that time slippy feeling quicker.

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Heh I understand you. Thanks for clearing that up Wendy. So tonight Imma try this at sometime tonight again when my head "feels light". Now last question. I am curious if its the light-headedness right before passing out at the border of sleep, like Fild. Or the feeling of nowhere around you like "hmm I feel comfortable".

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Now last question. I am curious if its the light-headedness right before passing out at the border of sleep, like Fild. Or the feeling of nowhere around you like "hmm I feel comfortable".

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Both, however more of the second. You have to phase out a little.

I can't imagine my girlfriend being too happy about me getting in and out of bed every 5 minutes, but I like the idea. I have had success with just imagining myself getting out of bed over and over. This is sort of the same thing, but for those who have trouble vividly imagining something.

malac, she kinda got off on the wrong foot with me for accusing that your method was,"gay."

I'm not judging here or anything, and I don't really care what people here think of me.

Yes, I do think I am on the wrong forum. :roll:




It's just what Wendy is describing, sounds very weird. She's making it sound like you can't tell a difference between real life and a dream. I understand that when you are in the dream, it's hard to tell. BUT wheny you are concious and not in a dream, it's not like you have to look around your room to make sure your still alive...

I don't know about you, but I've never felt,"Light headed or dizzy" while laying in bed.

I do know what your talking about like where your starting to slip away, but if I tried to open my eyes at that point, it would be guruanteed that I am not asleep.

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I haven't mention you're eyes are open.

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But you haven't mentioned that your eyes are closed either.

Sorry for the rudeness, this post just struck me as very odd.

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Honey I think she means falling asleep, and getting hallucinations from that.

It's no different from an RC, though I personally can tell when I'm dreaming mostly without an RC. The reason for this is because in a WILD you may not be able to tell sometimes if you're asleep or awake mostly because you usually create a dream in the same environment (you go to sleep in your bed, and start having the dream that you're in your bed).

Thank you!

I was very confused.

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I can't imagine my girlfriend being too happy about me getting in and out of bed every 5 minutes, but I like the idea. I have had success with just imagining myself getting out of bed over and over. This is sort of the same thing, but for those who have trouble vividly imagining something.

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Sorry, but you don't get out of you're bed every 5 minautes. The only time you get out of you're bed is when you're really light headed and can hear voices in you're head or noises, also you're slipping from consciousness. Trust me I have never gotten out of my bed and I'm not in a dream. It just really real and you might think you're in the dream.

For example I successfully did this last night, I got out of bed, everything seemed real. However, I did an RC and looked around then walked out of the house.

Trust me you won't be waking you're girlfriend every five minautes.

If you do this right, then I pretty sure even if you did try to move you're real body you would be in sleep paralyse.

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I do know what your talking about like where your starting to slip away, but if I tried to open my eyes at that point, it would be guruanteed that I am not asleep.

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You don't open you're eyes. You quickly rush out of bed. This is too different things, basically you're in sort of a sleep paralyse, however you don't know it.

Again, don't open you're eyes. Move out of you're bed and do an RC, then you're find yourself in a dream.

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But you haven't mentioned that your eyes are closed either.

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Just forget you're eyes. Don't even mention them again in this thread.

Also, sometimes when you do this you can't move at all. You're sort of in sleep paralyse, so the thing you need to do is too force yourself out of you're bed. This takes alot of strength because it kind of like lifting weights, however after you have got yourself out of bed you're in the dream. This happen to me last night, so if you find yourself unable to move, then you try you're hardest to move out of you're bed.

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BUT wheny you are concious and not in a dream, it's not like you have to look around your room to make sure your still alive...

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As above, you never actually fail this technique. I have never gotten out of the bed and I'm not in a dream. However, in the dream you can be tricked alot. I failed it like five times, by getting tricked.

This is easy, I had like twenty lucid dreams from this. Maybe, I should bullet point everything. I will think about how to explain it easier.

Well I did try it last night and I will admit I did come close.

It's just that I think timing is everything with this one.

Can you elaborate with the SP part? I mean do you "get out of bed" while you are going into SP, or once you are in it? You said that you don't know your in it when you "quickly get out of bed," but how do you not know if you are in it or not? I mean I get enlightened similar to while meditating while I am slipping in and out of a dream, but how do you know when to actually imagine getting out of bed without actually getting out of bed? If I am concious enough to imagine getting out of bed, I'm probably not asleep unless it's a FA. Do you see where I am coming from now?

I have a feeling this technique takes a lot of experience with WILD, am I wrong?

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I mean I get enlightened similar to while meditating while I am slipping in and out of a dream, but how do you know when to actually imagine getting out of bed without actually getting out of bed?

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Firstly, it when you slip into and out of consciousness then you do it. Lastly, you don't imagine getting out of bed, you actually move yourself out of bed, like you would do normally.

On the timing issue, you don't have to be exact, you do it when you feel yourself being real weak and light headed and slip into and out of consciousness.

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If I am concious enough to imagine getting out of bed, I'm probably not asleep unless it's a FA. Do you see where I am coming from now?

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No, Tweek. You don't imagine. You go to move like you would normally do. Just do the technique, seriously. This involves no visualization or imagining or anysort.

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I have a feeling this technique takes a lot of experience with WILD, am I wrong?

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Can you elaborate with the SP part? I mean do you "get out of bed" while you are going into SP, or once you are in it?

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It doesn't matter. The point I was trying to make is that you would never get out of bed if you fail it.

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It's just that I think timing is everything with this one.

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No its not. I been able to do this for the past week, its freaking easy.

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About 30-40%, however its kind of like flipping a coin every ten minautes waiting to get a heads. You could move the time back half an hour, so you have an hour an a half to try and do this.

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Earlier you said that it's like flipping a coin as to whether or not this works when you try to get out of bed. In one of your last couple of posts though you've said:

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Trust me I have never gotten out of my bed and I'm not in a dream.

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So does the other side of the coin just mean you wake up and think your in reality and forget to do a reality check?

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So does the other side of the coin just mean you wake up and think your in reality and forget to do a reality check?

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That or you just wake up like fiften minautes later or something.

Anyway, with practice I'm sure I can improve my abillity to not get tricked.

I had a very cool expirence with this last night...


I woke up at 4 AM, turned off my alarm and just lied in bed. As I was lying in bed, I waited for a hallucination, either audio or visual. After about 2 minutes of lying there, I thought I heard a faint squel outside my bedroom. I used this as a a hint but I wasn't sure about two things:


1. Maybe I'm still awake and If i get up, I'll just be in Real life and have to try and go back to sleep again. UGH (I was too tired.)

2. The audio hallucination wasn't very clear at all and I thought with all my being I was still awake.


I just got passed it and QUICKLY leaped out of the right side of my bed. I was SOO Pissed off, I was SURE it was reality. I did a RC and looked at my hands, which looked fine; no distortions. Then... EVERYTHING in my room started to dissapate. Almost like sand. My hands, my feet, my bed, my lamp..everything started to blow away like sand until there was nothing left.



....And then I woke up.
I thought it was pretty cool.

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I just got passed it and QUICKLY leaped out of the right side of my bed. I was SOO Pissed off, I was SURE it was reality. I did a RC and looked at my hands, which looked fine; no distortions. Then... EVERYTHING in my room started to dissapate. Almost like sand. My hands, my feet, my bed, my lamp..everything started to blow away like sand until there was nothing left.

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WOW definitely be trying this tonight

Wait.

So when you are having your first hallucination/light headedness, you actually try to get out of bed? But really your getting out of bed in a dream?


If so, when I was trying this last night, I opened my eyes and I shuttered a little bit. First time I opened my eyes, it felt like I was in a dream, then 2nd time I opened my eyes half way to make sure, but it REALLY felt like it wasn't a dream so I tried just falling back asleep. So you're saying that when you are getting the halucinations, you actually try to get out of bed, but really you are dreaming of getting out of bed even though it feels so real?


If that's what you mean I will definitely try this tonight because I do agree, it does sound fool-proof if it works. If this is true, and when you "get out of bed" when I opened my eyes last night I must have been imagining that.

What if after waking up and turning off my alarm, I just fall asleep?

Because I do know exactly what you mean by having the halucinations. Last night when I tried this as I was just about to pass out, I had some hallucinations of seeing light between a row of rectangles, and other audio/visual colors. So you're saying that right when you experience your first vivid hallucination, you actually try to get out of bed and you're in the dream?

If this actually works I will give you mad props because it sounds too good to be true.

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What if after waking up and turning off my alarm, I just fall asleep?

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You are supposed to do that, but as you fall asleep I'm assuming she means once you feel your self dozing off, then comence the process.

If I'm correct, it sounds like the more tired you are, the better.

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You are supposed to do that, but as you fall asleep I'm assuming she means once you feel your self dozing off, then comence the process.

If I'm correct, it sounds like the more tired you are, the better.

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I don't understand. What part of the process do I start after falling asleep? What if I just fall asleep without seeing hallucinations, and I just wake up an hour later when I actually have to get up?

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I did a RC and looked at my hands, which looked fine; no distortions. Then... EVERYTHING in my room started to dissapate. Almost like sand. My hands, my feet, my bed, my lamp..everything started to blow away like sand until there was nothing left.

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If you do it again, do another RC. I always check the time.

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If so, when I was trying this last night, I opened my eyes and I shuttered a little bit. First time I opened my eyes, it felt like I was in a dream, then 2nd time I opened my eyes half way to make sure, but it REALLY felt like it wasn't a dream so I tried just falling back asleep. So you're saying that when you are getting the halucinations, you actually try to get out of bed, but really you are dreaming of getting out of bed even though it feels so real?

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Stop with opening you're eyes. You don't open you're eyes. Forget you're eyes. Yes essentially that its.

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What if after waking up and turning off my alarm, I just fall asleep?

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Then you have failed, you just have to try again.

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What if I just fall asleep without seeing hallucinations, and I just wake up an hour later when I actually have to get up?

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You don't even get audio hallucinations when falling asleep.

So I just try to keep myself awake while laying in bed, and wait for hallucinations?

Ok, so when I am getting those vivid hallucinations(colors) then I jump out of bed without closing my eyes? Like, here's how I see it... I'm waiting to fall asleep, then eventually my thoughts drift and then I'm drifting off, then I get light headed and see some vivid colors, how long to I wait to "get up" once I get hallucinations? Because those hallucinations/light headedness only lasts about 7-13 seconds before I either fall asleep or am awake again.




So if I actually were to get out of bed with my eyes closed only to find that I'm actually awake, where did I go wrong and how do I do it differently?

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Wait.

So when you are having your first hallucination/light headedness, you actually try to get out of bed? But really your getting out of bed in a dream?

So you're saying that when you are getting the halucinations, you actually try to get out of bed, but really you are dreaming of getting out of bed even though it feels so real?

that.

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To be honest, I'm not 100% sure on what happened. I thought the whole time that I was awake. I was having inner dialog with myself, just kinda waiting, listening, watching the blackness in my eyes.. I heard something, [mind you, my eyes were closed] and so I took that as a signal. I didn't feel any SP or any vibrations, thats part of the reason I was convinced I was still awake.

I believe what happened was, between when I heard the noise and the second I "got out of bed," I transitioned into the Dream state.

Or maybe I was asleep the whole time. If I was....then, WOW! :shock:

lol

Yeah, cause I mean I've never ACTUALLY experienced SP where I am unable to move. It feels like I can't move but if I try to move I'm wide awake instantly. Is that a false awakening, or do I need to wait longer?

Cause I get strong colors and feel really enlightened like I'm drifting into a deep sleep.

If I think about it too much, I just wake right up. If I don't think about it and let the feeling go, the next thing I know I'm waking up after another dream.

This sounds exciting. But, I don't understanding what is going on in the technique. The kind of hallucinations that you are describing are the sort that I thought one has as one is just beginning to fall asleep. That is, one is NOT YET asleep. So how can one enter a lucid dream without actually being asleep? Maybe something else is going on here, but what?

In short, I have a twinge of skepticism because I don't understand the mechanism behind this technique.

But, I'm definitely going to try this out tonight. I will post my results.

Does anyone have any thoughts about how this might actually work?

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But, I don't understanding what is going on in the technique. The kind of hallucinations that you are describing are the sort that I thought one has as one is just beginning to fall asleep. That is, one is NOT YET asleep. So how can one enter a lucid dream without actually being asleep? Maybe something else is going on here, but what?

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Well, I think that you're asleep when you start to hear hallucinations or feel really light headed, its just that must people do nothing. Moving out of you're bed is a trick to break into the dream world.

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If I think about it too much, I just wake right up. If I don't think about it and let the feeling go, the next thing I know I'm waking up after another dream.

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The most improtant thing is relax, although once you hit hallucinations then I would go for it and try it.

I explained a couple of theories in my thread as to why it works. The link of imagery/dream related to actual movement makes a sort of will of connection towards the dream. It's quite exciting and I'm still researching it for something great later on.

@Wendy Half the reason I was asking questions in the beginning was so that people wouln't ask too many questions, like now. Since I see that you are very adaptive and know how it goes down, I would like you to be a participant in a little experiment later on. I'll pm you on that when the time comes.

@questionaires Guys, all you do is just sleep for a couple hours, wake up and lay in bed( or do something important quick so that you're still tired.) and just wait for the slightest non normal stuff that you wouldn't usually see/feel.

Close your eyes and lay down right now. Wait for 1 min. Now, you would attempt this if anything else happened than what you just did. The slightest color or dazed feeling and you'll have to first raise your real arms up and then raise your real ass up outta that bed at that moment. Don't think "how can this work" or if you're in the bed, don't ever think "oh thats silly! A little thing like that surely couldn't be the exact timing". What would ever make you guys think it couldn't work if you felt just a little light headed or saw but a little light? We're dealing in unknown territory different than the usual world you're in. Logic is out. Also, don't ever think "getting up is just silly, I don't want to do it, it might not work". Get out of your comfortable set of pressures that society put on you that would ever make you think its silly and just do it!

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I explained a couple of theories in my thread as to why it works. The link of imagery/dream related to actual movement makes a sort of will of connection towards the dream. It's quite exciting and I'm still researching it for something great later on.

@Wendy Half the reason I was asking questions in the beginning was so that people wouln't ask too many questions, like now. Since I see that you are very adaptive and know how it goes down, I would like you to be a participant in a little experiment later on. I'll pm you on that when the time comes.

@questionaires Guys, all you do is just sleep for a couple hours, wake up and lay in bed( or do something important quick so that you're still tired.) and just wait for the slightest non normal stuff that you wouldn't usually see/feel.

Close your eyes and lay down right now. Wait for 1 min. Now, you would attempt this if anything else happened than what you just did. The slightest color or dazed feeling and you'll have to first raise your real arms up and then raise your real ass up outta that bed at that moment. Don't think "how can this work" or if you're in the bed, don't ever think "oh thats silly! A little thing like that surely couldn't be the exact timing". What would make you guys think it wouldn't work if you felt a little light headed or saw a little light? We're dealing in unknown territory different than the usual world you're in. Logic is out. Also, don't ever think "getting up is just silly, I don't want to do it, it might not work". Get out of your comfortable set of pressures that society put on you that would ever make you think its silly and just do it!

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effing thank you! :bowdown:

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Well, I think that you're asleep when you start to hear hallucinations or feel really light headed, its just that must people do nothing. Moving out of you're bed is a trick to break into the dream world.

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I guess it would make sense if it were a very early, light phase of sleep and the "movement" causes it to transition rapidly into full-blown REM.

It just sounds so unlike what I am used to hearing about the line between waking and dreaming: it has always seemed a mysterious and difficult-to-cross barrier. Here, with this technique, crossing that barrier becomes literally as simple and easy as rolling out of bed.

It defies all of my previous notions of the difficulty and work required to obtain that oh-so-hoped-for state of mind we all fondly (and or perhaps vexatiously) know as lucid dreaming.

But as they say, the proof is in the pudding, and hopefully at 6:30 am tomorrow I will be merrily enjoying said pudding.

If I'm lucky it will be by 2-3 am for me. :banana:

I'm going to try this and if I fail I'm going to try again. If I fail again, I'm going to try to FILD, if that fails and i wake up again I'm going to try MILD. hahahaha I gosta experiment.

At least I've got the hardest part down to a science; waking up after my first dream of the night.

Sounds good I'll try it out. I know you said don't mention eyes...but theres just one thing that's unclear.

I wake up 1 hour earlier: Got that..

Lay down and relax, don't visualize: Got that..

Once you start to see/hear hallucinations with your "eyes closed still" get out of bed and do a reality check. <--- Ok, once you get out of bed and do that RC then it is ok to open your eyes correct?

Hi guys,

I got interested in Malacs idea. But I knew that wendylove's ideas make sense.

So what i did was i combined both of them and added / changed one thing. i did try this last night and it WORKED.

Here's what I do.

I woke up 2 hours before normal waking time. Then waited for the halicinations but didnt really see any. Just waited some time (EYES CLOSED) and at one moment I moved my fisical/real Arm to reach my nose to do the NOSE RC. And it worked. I could breath with the nose bloced by my fingers. So then i slowly got up of the bed (it was hard to do, really hevy feeling) and I went down the stairs.
The only Problem was that i kept my eyes closed. And when i tried to open my eyes i woke up in my bed.

So to sum up. My way is better beacuse you dont get up every 5 minutes like stupid. you just do the nose RC, And then when youre sure that it worked - you get up.

now quick word about the REAL/PHISICAL arm moving:
I know that all you say that when you move phisical arm it means you cannot be dreaming.
Or
When you move your phisical arm it will wake you up.
YOU ALL ARE RIGHT.

BUT

In that special moment Your brain wants to move phisical arm, but it moves the dream arm. The intention of moving the real arm make you move the dream arm.
So: if you put a camera and record yourself in bed - YOU ARE NOT MOVEING YOUR ARM.
But in our tutorials we write "move your phisical arm" WHY? Be cause we want you to TRY MOVING your phisical arm which will lead to moving dream arm.

it's hard to explain but i hope that helped.

Tonight i will try to fight the CLOSED EYES problem.

Thanks malac for explaining it better.

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I wake up 1 hour earlier: Got that..

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It doesn't really matter when you wake up, just that you need to be tired.

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Ok, once you get out of bed and do that RC then it is ok to open your eyes correct?

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You won't need to open you're eyes you would be able to see when you get out of bed.

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The only Problem was that i kept my eyes closed. And when i tried to open my eyes i woke up in my bed.

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If you do it the way in this thread there would be no eyes closed problem.

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Tonight i will try to fight the CLOSED EYES problem.

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I will try it you're way tonight, however I think it would fail. Anyway, if you forget about you're eyes like don't think about them then you would not have that problem.

Also, if you wait then maybe images will appear. Since, when I move outside of my house into the dream world then I see really vivid images. If you don't see anything then DON'T open you're eyes. Its best just to wait to images appear, as I think a part of you're brain responcible for generating dreams images might have not kicked in.

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My way is better beacuse you dont get up every 5 minutes like stupid.

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You don't get up every 5 minutes, how much do I have to say that. Seriously, if you're going to critise the method then please make it about the method, not some red herring.


Oh yeah, you have to sleep on you're back not you're front. See you have to be facing the celing to get the best effect of this method.

Saying that Chaszu, thanks for the improvement. I will try it.

No Problem, Just try, may work. and dont say that You think it woulkd fail as the intentions have big power as we all know.

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Originally Posted by wendylove

Seriously, if you're going to critise the method then please make it about the method, not some red herring.

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PEACE:) Didn't want to criticise. It was more like a joke.
Just easier to reach your nose than getting up isn't it? that's all.

And I'm sayng that also because now I know that getting up of the bed in that dream state was hard thing to do, felt really heavy (for me, may be easy for others).

You get up and do RC, I do RC and get up only when RC tells me: dream.

Hey just wondering about this, like a WILD would it not be possible to do this technique from when you are going to bed?

Some people find in WILD's that they have to wake up during the night and then go back to bed others including myself just do it when we are going to bed at night.

I don't like the idea of setting an alarm and possibly not being able to get back to sleep and since I wake up at like 1pm, an hour earlier and I would fully wake and not be tired.

Would this be possible to do at the time that you go to bed?

Also I would like to ask about the hallucinations. One person asked how intense they have to be and the answer you gave didn't really explain it to the extent which I was hoping. Would I only have to wait until I get a few moving colours in my vision, or would I actually have to experience some sort of picture/sound forming in my mind?

And lastly, when you jump up out of bed (without changing the state of your eyelids) what if you were to find that your eyelids were still closed? Would this mean that you have failed to do the technique and you just jumped out of bed looking like a spaz? lol.

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And lastly, when you jump up out of bed (without changing the state of your eyelids) what if you were to find that your eyelids were still closed? Would this mean that you have failed to do the technique and you just jumped out of bed looking like a spaz? lol.

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That's exactly what happened to me last night. But it doesn't mean that you FAILED!
I did the RC, I was in the dream, but with my eyes closed.
So getting out of bed with eyes closed doesnt mean the you failed.

This technique is sometimes used to induce Out of Body experiences, which some people believe are real and others a form of a dream. I have used this techinque and it works, although I only rarely get the auditory or visual hallucinations or HI imagery or sounds as they are also known. But when it happens I can either usually will myself to float out of my body or as Wendy says just jump out of bed. This happens only occasionally for me though as what usually happens with me is I will be laying in bed trying to clear my mind and if it works I will feel myself seperate from my body, at this point I can get up or fly, whatever. Sometimes I will hear noises like pots and pans, voices etc. but rarely. I will definalty try just getting up after lying still for a while though.

Another thing the experience, whether a dream or an OBE, is extremely vivid, (usually). And I have done it and questioned whether I really got out of bed in my physical body. Your mind experineces no break in consiousness.

One thing about the eyes, sometimes when I do this I will go out, and my astral/ dream eyes will be closed. I will have to open my eyes, usually my astral eyes will open, but I have also opened my physical eyes which woke me up in my body before. Other times when my astral eyes will just be opened, you never know. But your physical eyes should be closed when doing this technique. Once I floated out, from fully conscious, and astral eyes were opened. I floated to the ceiling and then went back down to my body, with no break in consicouness and my physical eyes were opened. Hard to explain as a dream.

I tried this last night and amazingly it worked even if it did only last for a few seconds. Definitely be trying again soon :D.

I tried this twice last night and it didn't work either time. I got out of bed after hearing voices and was still awake. I think it might have been because I wasn't tired enough, I'm going to try 2 hours early tomorrow and see if that works any better.

Last night I think I was a little TOO tired.

My alarm woke me up at 3:30, but unfortunately I didn't remember having a dream then so I don't think I was in REM quite yet. I did reach the begining of SP though. TWICE! I waas a little TOO tired because I rolled over both times instantly upon the feeling. It's cause I wasn't thinking about it. The weird thing, after both times I felt that feeling, it was some how already 5:20 when it only felt like it had been an hour at most.

So I think my mistake was getting up before REM. I did have some dreams later on in the morning, but not controlled...

I'm definitely going to give it another shot tonight again though.

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Now relax, this is improtant, note no meditation. You will find there will be hallucinations like for example sounds or random thoughts distracting you.

So when the hallucinations get strong like for example you can hear stuff or colours appears, quickly get out of you're bed.

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Okay, I haven't read this entire thread, so forgive me if the answer to my question is already posted here.

You said to wait for hallucinations to happen. Do you mean hypnagogic kind of stuff, or like "hey, I'm soooper tired and I could fall asleep any second" kind of stuff; like a DEILD?

I tried this the other night and as soon as I forgot I was laying in my bed I hopped up and plugged my nose! With no results.. I'm thinking I may have been in the wrong state of mind..? Could you please clarify?

Yeah, you sound exactly like me Excessaccess. You describe exactly what I've been trying to say the last couple days in my rants and raves.

I know exactly what you are talking about, that feeling of enlightenment, and knowing that you are milimeters away from losing conciousness. If there's any stage passed that, I don't know if I'll ever be able to do that. I've got mild ADHD that I'm on ritilan for, but I've never ever remember anything passed those feelings/thoughts. I get bright colors and shapes moving in my head, but never actually have the feeling that I can't move. It usually lasts anywhere from 4-15 seconds, but is that the right time to do it? When ever I wake myself up from this state of mind, it's always really tough to get back to sleep. Last night I experienced one of those 'time warps' after getting close to falling asleep a couple times, but never actually falling asleep.

Had a go last night. Got up after hallucinations begun, was awake. Getting up woke me up noticeably, so, following that, I took chaszu's suggestion, and tried the method a few more times with just the nose RC, no getting out of bed. Was awake each time.

Hey guys, I tried this today morning.. like 3 times actually. I've never had a LD before so this maybe the problem (been trying for like 2 months now anyway) but at what time will I notice sounds/hallucinations? I've never had any.. can someone explain how its like? and how long it takes?

Okay, I have had the dizzy thing in the past like I am floating and kind of rocking in almost every direction at once, depending on the direction I concentrate, and you fell a little high...

Lol, what the hell?

This is just WBTB'ing. Nothing that special, IMHO. But, it does work, it happened to me last night =]

But still, Pointless thread is pointless.

This may actually work for me, considering my sleep cycles are not very steady lately, and I just can't figure out how to visualize vividly enough for
malac's FG.

I'm going to run through it as my understanding, and you just tell me
how did I do, kay?

So..

-I wake up after a few hours sleep, in REM.
-As I wake up, I do what I have to do, go back to bed ASAP.
-Close my eyes, and relax, waiting for some sign of the dream world (Noise, HI, light-headiness..)
-After a while (Even if I don't think I got it) - I just hop, like I would normally, out of bed, and do a RC.
-Had I failed, I should be still in my bed, therefor - I should try again.


As for the closed eyes issue, If I were to preform a RC, and find out that I am dreaming, with this specific method, i'd keep my eyes shut for some time, while rubbing my hands, and focusing the rest of my senses. Maybe do another RC.

The thing is, you don't enter SP fully yet, therefor your body might still react to sudden eye lids movements - which will eventually lead to you waking up.

Sounds great, i'll give it a shot tonight.

I think I've actually done this same method by accident, one morning before school. I woke up from a dream, and so I thought to myself that I could force myself back into the dream. I got out of bed, and wasn't sure if I was awake or asleep. Turns out I was dreaming that time. Also, I was afraid to open my eyes.

So has anybody ever done this, and actually have a decent-length LD?

Guys this seems like a great technique, but the thread just dies.
I'm wondering if everyone who said they would experiment found it worked or not.

I'll try it and post the results. I swear.

Hmm, sounds like some people have had success with this. I'll try it out :D

I too will try this out and post my results tomorow :)

I think WILDing at least one is almost a prerequisite for this. :(

heres a good tip for opening your eyes in the dream:

while opening your eyes, pinch your nose and breathe through your nose. This way you will stay in the dream since your performing an action, more specifically a reality check, at the same time.

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heres a good tip for opening your eyes in the dream:

while opening your eyes, pinch your nose and breathe through your nose. This way you will stay in the dream since your performing an action, more specifically a reality check, at the same time.

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Great idea! :goodjob2:

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I think WILDing at least one is almost a prerequisite for this. :(

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Which sucks for me :(

Would it be possible to do this technique when you go to sleep at night? I took a loooooooooooooooong nap and am feeling a bit groggy right now.

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I took a loooooooooooooooong nap and am feeling a bit groggy right now.

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which is the best condition for WILD

Except I was about to go to bed at the time. I have school.

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I'll try it and post the results. I swear.

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W eel. I tried. I did a kind of funky roll and hit my head on the bedside table. Not trying this again!