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I had a very cool expirence with this last night...


I woke up at 4 AM, turned off my alarm and just lied in bed. As I was lying in bed, I waited for a hallucination, either audio or visual. After about 2 minutes of lying there, I thought I heard a faint squel outside my bedroom. I used this as a a hint but I wasn't sure about two things:


1. Maybe I'm still awake and If i get up, I'll just be in Real life and have to try and go back to sleep again. UGH (I was too tired.)

2. The audio hallucination wasn't very clear at all and I thought with all my being I was still awake.


I just got passed it and QUICKLY leaped out of the right side of my bed. I was SOO Pissed off, I was SURE it was reality. I did a RC and looked at my hands, which looked fine; no distortions. Then... EVERYTHING in my room started to dissapate. Almost like sand. My hands, my feet, my bed, my lamp..everything started to blow away like sand until there was nothing left.



....And then I woke up.
I thought it was pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by smcmaho

I just got passed it and QUICKLY leaped out of the right side of my bed. I was SOO Pissed off, I was SURE it was reality. I did a RC and looked at my hands, which looked fine; no distortions. Then... EVERYTHING in my room started to dissapate. Almost like sand. My hands, my feet, my bed, my lamp..everything started to blow away like sand until there was nothing left.

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WOW definitely be trying this tonight

Wait.

So when you are having your first hallucination/light headedness, you actually try to get out of bed? But really your getting out of bed in a dream?


If so, when I was trying this last night, I opened my eyes and I shuttered a little bit. First time I opened my eyes, it felt like I was in a dream, then 2nd time I opened my eyes half way to make sure, but it REALLY felt like it wasn't a dream so I tried just falling back asleep. So you're saying that when you are getting the halucinations, you actually try to get out of bed, but really you are dreaming of getting out of bed even though it feels so real?


If that's what you mean I will definitely try this tonight because I do agree, it does sound fool-proof if it works. If this is true, and when you "get out of bed" when I opened my eyes last night I must have been imagining that.

What if after waking up and turning off my alarm, I just fall asleep?

Because I do know exactly what you mean by having the halucinations. Last night when I tried this as I was just about to pass out, I had some hallucinations of seeing light between a row of rectangles, and other audio/visual colors. So you're saying that right when you experience your first vivid hallucination, you actually try to get out of bed and you're in the dream?

If this actually works I will give you mad props because it sounds too good to be true.

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Originally Posted by çrepgrigo

What if after waking up and turning off my alarm, I just fall asleep?

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You are supposed to do that, but as you fall asleep I'm assuming she means once you feel your self dozing off, then comence the process.

If I'm correct, it sounds like the more tired you are, the better.

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Originally Posted by Tweek

You are supposed to do that, but as you fall asleep I'm assuming she means once you feel your self dozing off, then comence the process.

If I'm correct, it sounds like the more tired you are, the better.

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I don't understand. What part of the process do I start after falling asleep? What if I just fall asleep without seeing hallucinations, and I just wake up an hour later when I actually have to get up?

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I did a RC and looked at my hands, which looked fine; no distortions. Then... EVERYTHING in my room started to dissapate. Almost like sand. My hands, my feet, my bed, my lamp..everything started to blow away like sand until there was nothing left.

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If you do it again, do another RC. I always check the time.

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If so, when I was trying this last night, I opened my eyes and I shuttered a little bit. First time I opened my eyes, it felt like I was in a dream, then 2nd time I opened my eyes half way to make sure, but it REALLY felt like it wasn't a dream so I tried just falling back asleep. So you're saying that when you are getting the halucinations, you actually try to get out of bed, but really you are dreaming of getting out of bed even though it feels so real?

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Stop with opening you're eyes. You don't open you're eyes. Forget you're eyes. Yes essentially that its.

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What if after waking up and turning off my alarm, I just fall asleep?

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Then you have failed, you just have to try again.

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What if I just fall asleep without seeing hallucinations, and I just wake up an hour later when I actually have to get up?

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You don't even get audio hallucinations when falling asleep.

So I just try to keep myself awake while laying in bed, and wait for hallucinations?

Ok, so when I am getting those vivid hallucinations(colors) then I jump out of bed without closing my eyes? Like, here's how I see it... I'm waiting to fall asleep, then eventually my thoughts drift and then I'm drifting off, then I get light headed and see some vivid colors, how long to I wait to "get up" once I get hallucinations? Because those hallucinations/light headedness only lasts about 7-13 seconds before I either fall asleep or am awake again.




So if I actually were to get out of bed with my eyes closed only to find that I'm actually awake, where did I go wrong and how do I do it differently?

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Originally Posted by Tweek

Wait.

So when you are having your first hallucination/light headedness, you actually try to get out of bed? But really your getting out of bed in a dream?

So you're saying that when you are getting the halucinations, you actually try to get out of bed, but really you are dreaming of getting out of bed even though it feels so real?

that.

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To be honest, I'm not 100% sure on what happened. I thought the whole time that I was awake. I was having inner dialog with myself, just kinda waiting, listening, watching the blackness in my eyes.. I heard something, [mind you, my eyes were closed] and so I took that as a signal. I didn't feel any SP or any vibrations, thats part of the reason I was convinced I was still awake.

I believe what happened was, between when I heard the noise and the second I "got out of bed," I transitioned into the Dream state.

Or maybe I was asleep the whole time. If I was....then, WOW! :shock:

lol

Yeah, cause I mean I've never ACTUALLY experienced SP where I am unable to move. It feels like I can't move but if I try to move I'm wide awake instantly. Is that a false awakening, or do I need to wait longer?

Cause I get strong colors and feel really enlightened like I'm drifting into a deep sleep.

If I think about it too much, I just wake right up. If I don't think about it and let the feeling go, the next thing I know I'm waking up after another dream.

This sounds exciting. But, I don't understanding what is going on in the technique. The kind of hallucinations that you are describing are the sort that I thought one has as one is just beginning to fall asleep. That is, one is NOT YET asleep. So how can one enter a lucid dream without actually being asleep? Maybe something else is going on here, but what?

In short, I have a twinge of skepticism because I don't understand the mechanism behind this technique.

But, I'm definitely going to try this out tonight. I will post my results.

Does anyone have any thoughts about how this might actually work?

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But, I don't understanding what is going on in the technique. The kind of hallucinations that you are describing are the sort that I thought one has as one is just beginning to fall asleep. That is, one is NOT YET asleep. So how can one enter a lucid dream without actually being asleep? Maybe something else is going on here, but what?

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Well, I think that you're asleep when you start to hear hallucinations or feel really light headed, its just that must people do nothing. Moving out of you're bed is a trick to break into the dream world.

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If I think about it too much, I just wake right up. If I don't think about it and let the feeling go, the next thing I know I'm waking up after another dream.

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The most improtant thing is relax, although once you hit hallucinations then I would go for it and try it.

I explained a couple of theories in my thread as to why it works. The link of imagery/dream related to actual movement makes a sort of will of connection towards the dream. It's quite exciting and I'm still researching it for something great later on.

@Wendy Half the reason I was asking questions in the beginning was so that people wouln't ask too many questions, like now. Since I see that you are very adaptive and know how it goes down, I would like you to be a participant in a little experiment later on. I'll pm you on that when the time comes.

@questionaires Guys, all you do is just sleep for a couple hours, wake up and lay in bed( or do something important quick so that you're still tired.) and just wait for the slightest non normal stuff that you wouldn't usually see/feel.

Close your eyes and lay down right now. Wait for 1 min. Now, you would attempt this if anything else happened than what you just did. The slightest color or dazed feeling and you'll have to first raise your real arms up and then raise your real ass up outta that bed at that moment. Don't think "how can this work" or if you're in the bed, don't ever think "oh thats silly! A little thing like that surely couldn't be the exact timing". What would ever make you guys think it couldn't work if you felt just a little light headed or saw but a little light? We're dealing in unknown territory different than the usual world you're in. Logic is out. Also, don't ever think "getting up is just silly, I don't want to do it, it might not work". Get out of your comfortable set of pressures that society put on you that would ever make you think its silly and just do it!

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Originally Posted by malac

I explained a couple of theories in my thread as to why it works. The link of imagery/dream related to actual movement makes a sort of will of connection towards the dream. It's quite exciting and I'm still researching it for something great later on.

@Wendy Half the reason I was asking questions in the beginning was so that people wouln't ask too many questions, like now. Since I see that you are very adaptive and know how it goes down, I would like you to be a participant in a little experiment later on. I'll pm you on that when the time comes.

@questionaires Guys, all you do is just sleep for a couple hours, wake up and lay in bed( or do something important quick so that you're still tired.) and just wait for the slightest non normal stuff that you wouldn't usually see/feel.

Close your eyes and lay down right now. Wait for 1 min. Now, you would attempt this if anything else happened than what you just did. The slightest color or dazed feeling and you'll have to first raise your real arms up and then raise your real ass up outta that bed at that moment. Don't think "how can this work" or if you're in the bed, don't ever think "oh thats silly! A little thing like that surely couldn't be the exact timing". What would make you guys think it wouldn't work if you felt a little light headed or saw a little light? We're dealing in unknown territory different than the usual world you're in. Logic is out. Also, don't ever think "getting up is just silly, I don't want to do it, it might not work". Get out of your comfortable set of pressures that society put on you that would ever make you think its silly and just do it!

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effing thank you! :bowdown:

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Originally Posted by wendylove

Well, I think that you're asleep when you start to hear hallucinations or feel really light headed, its just that must people do nothing. Moving out of you're bed is a trick to break into the dream world.

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I guess it would make sense if it were a very early, light phase of sleep and the "movement" causes it to transition rapidly into full-blown REM.

It just sounds so unlike what I am used to hearing about the line between waking and dreaming: it has always seemed a mysterious and difficult-to-cross barrier. Here, with this technique, crossing that barrier becomes literally as simple and easy as rolling out of bed.

It defies all of my previous notions of the difficulty and work required to obtain that oh-so-hoped-for state of mind we all fondly (and or perhaps vexatiously) know as lucid dreaming.

But as they say, the proof is in the pudding, and hopefully at 6:30 am tomorrow I will be merrily enjoying said pudding.

If I'm lucky it will be by 2-3 am for me. :banana:

I'm going to try this and if I fail I'm going to try again. If I fail again, I'm going to try to FILD, if that fails and i wake up again I'm going to try MILD. hahahaha I gosta experiment.

At least I've got the hardest part down to a science; waking up after my first dream of the night.

Sounds good I'll try it out. I know you said don't mention eyes...but theres just one thing that's unclear.

I wake up 1 hour earlier: Got that..

Lay down and relax, don't visualize: Got that..

Once you start to see/hear hallucinations with your "eyes closed still" get out of bed and do a reality check. <--- Ok, once you get out of bed and do that RC then it is ok to open your eyes correct?

Hi guys,

I got interested in Malacs idea. But I knew that wendylove's ideas make sense.

So what i did was i combined both of them and added / changed one thing. i did try this last night and it WORKED.

Here's what I do.

I woke up 2 hours before normal waking time. Then waited for the halicinations but didnt really see any. Just waited some time (EYES CLOSED) and at one moment I moved my fisical/real Arm to reach my nose to do the NOSE RC. And it worked. I could breath with the nose bloced by my fingers. So then i slowly got up of the bed (it was hard to do, really hevy feeling) and I went down the stairs.
The only Problem was that i kept my eyes closed. And when i tried to open my eyes i woke up in my bed.

So to sum up. My way is better beacuse you dont get up every 5 minutes like stupid. you just do the nose RC, And then when youre sure that it worked - you get up.

now quick word about the REAL/PHISICAL arm moving:
I know that all you say that when you move phisical arm it means you cannot be dreaming.
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When you move your phisical arm it will wake you up.
YOU ALL ARE RIGHT.

BUT

In that special moment Your brain wants to move phisical arm, but it moves the dream arm. The intention of moving the real arm make you move the dream arm.
So: if you put a camera and record yourself in bed - YOU ARE NOT MOVEING YOUR ARM.
But in our tutorials we write "move your phisical arm" WHY? Be cause we want you to TRY MOVING your phisical arm which will lead to moving dream arm.

it's hard to explain but i hope that helped.

Tonight i will try to fight the CLOSED EYES problem.

Thanks malac for explaining it better.

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I wake up 1 hour earlier: Got that..

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It doesn't really matter when you wake up, just that you need to be tired.

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Ok, once you get out of bed and do that RC then it is ok to open your eyes correct?

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You won't need to open you're eyes you would be able to see when you get out of bed.

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The only Problem was that i kept my eyes closed. And when i tried to open my eyes i woke up in my bed.

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If you do it the way in this thread there would be no eyes closed problem.

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Tonight i will try to fight the CLOSED EYES problem.

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I will try it you're way tonight, however I think it would fail. Anyway, if you forget about you're eyes like don't think about them then you would not have that problem.

Also, if you wait then maybe images will appear. Since, when I move outside of my house into the dream world then I see really vivid images. If you don't see anything then DON'T open you're eyes. Its best just to wait to images appear, as I think a part of you're brain responcible for generating dreams images might have not kicked in.

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My way is better beacuse you dont get up every 5 minutes like stupid.

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You don't get up every 5 minutes, how much do I have to say that. Seriously, if you're going to critise the method then please make it about the method, not some red herring.


Oh yeah, you have to sleep on you're back not you're front. See you have to be facing the celing to get the best effect of this method.

Saying that Chaszu, thanks for the improvement. I will try it.

No Problem, Just try, may work. and dont say that You think it woulkd fail as the intentions have big power as we all know.

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Originally Posted by wendylove

Seriously, if you're going to critise the method then please make it about the method, not some red herring.

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PEACE:) Didn't want to criticise. It was more like a joke.
Just easier to reach your nose than getting up isn't it? that's all.

And I'm sayng that also because now I know that getting up of the bed in that dream state was hard thing to do, felt really heavy (for me, may be easy for others).

You get up and do RC, I do RC and get up only when RC tells me: dream.

Hey just wondering about this, like a WILD would it not be possible to do this technique from when you are going to bed?

Some people find in WILD's that they have to wake up during the night and then go back to bed others including myself just do it when we are going to bed at night.

I don't like the idea of setting an alarm and possibly not being able to get back to sleep and since I wake up at like 1pm, an hour earlier and I would fully wake and not be tired.

Would this be possible to do at the time that you go to bed?

Also I would like to ask about the hallucinations. One person asked how intense they have to be and the answer you gave didn't really explain it to the extent which I was hoping. Would I only have to wait until I get a few moving colours in my vision, or would I actually have to experience some sort of picture/sound forming in my mind?

And lastly, when you jump up out of bed (without changing the state of your eyelids) what if you were to find that your eyelids were still closed? Would this mean that you have failed to do the technique and you just jumped out of bed looking like a spaz? lol.

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Originally Posted by benTENDO

And lastly, when you jump up out of bed (without changing the state of your eyelids) what if you were to find that your eyelids were still closed? Would this mean that you have failed to do the technique and you just jumped out of bed looking like a spaz? lol.

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That's exactly what happened to me last night. But it doesn't mean that you FAILED!
I did the RC, I was in the dream, but with my eyes closed.
So getting out of bed with eyes closed doesnt mean the you failed.

This technique is sometimes used to induce Out of Body experiences, which some people believe are real and others a form of a dream. I have used this techinque and it works, although I only rarely get the auditory or visual hallucinations or HI imagery or sounds as they are also known. But when it happens I can either usually will myself to float out of my body or as Wendy says just jump out of bed. This happens only occasionally for me though as what usually happens with me is I will be laying in bed trying to clear my mind and if it works I will feel myself seperate from my body, at this point I can get up or fly, whatever. Sometimes I will hear noises like pots and pans, voices etc. but rarely. I will definalty try just getting up after lying still for a while though.

Another thing the experience, whether a dream or an OBE, is extremely vivid, (usually). And I have done it and questioned whether I really got out of bed in my physical body. Your mind experineces no break in consiousness.

One thing about the eyes, sometimes when I do this I will go out, and my astral/ dream eyes will be closed. I will have to open my eyes, usually my astral eyes will open, but I have also opened my physical eyes which woke me up in my body before. Other times when my astral eyes will just be opened, you never know. But your physical eyes should be closed when doing this technique. Once I floated out, from fully conscious, and astral eyes were opened. I floated to the ceiling and then went back down to my body, with no break in consicouness and my physical eyes were opened. Hard to explain as a dream.