Thread: How to WILD

Well, it's recommended that you sleep for 5-6 hours before trying a WILD. As to how long you need to stay up; You need to experiment what length of time is right for you.


EDIT: Sorry Bob, I just realized that this is your thread! Cherish's question was on another page, and I thought it was hers.

Arby brought up an important point (I didn't read the rest of the thread yet): "we all have a "pushing/pulling force" when we go to sleep normally (...) You don't notice it but there's something that pulls us into sleep every night."

There are different types of pushing forces. The one we want to bring in for help to get lucid is "polarized." This is where the word "dissociative" takes its meaning.

You know the story, we want to be mentally rested yet able to fall sleep. The problem is it's quite difficult to describe things when it comes to mental states and body feelings so I'll try to describe this in terms of EEG bands. If you can grasp this concept you can use it to conceptualize your intent, but I admit, it's not very good for that.

Basically the total EEG power available in any given brain state is constant for each individual (unless you take in vital/ionic energy). So if your brain generates strong delta waves, as it does in sleep, the beta bands are left powerless.

In order to fall asleep you need theta/delta. This is the "pulling force" that put you in sleep every night. In sleep biology we like to call this "sleep pressure." Sleep pressure is not sufficient for lucidity, you also need elevated beta/gamma activity, a brain state which is polarized in terms of EEG bands - your ticket to dissociative states.

If you follow a polyphasic sleep schedule, even just as simple as WBTB, your theta band will persist during wakefulness. Another way to induce and maintain this polarized brain state is to disturb the third part of your monophasic sleep. You need to wake up briefly and fall asleep in every 2-15 minutes.

The brain gets deactivated in a general fronto-temporal direction. The frontal lobe which is the most sensitive part of the brain to sleep loss switches off first. This lobe is responsible for self-awareness and intent. That's why you die out like a flame in the first cycle of your monophasic sleep.

You need the strong theta generators active in your temporal lobes (cause of the buzzing noises in conscious sleep) and you also need the beta activity of your frontal lobes.

To sum it up - the ideal pushing force for lucid dreams is not just a strong theta/delta activity but a mixture of increased theta/delta and beta/gamma activity at the same time. However, since the total EEG power is constant across different brain states, you need a surplus of vital energy to maintain equally strong power in these separate bands. Having this set and coupled with the proper focal point to use you can walk in and out of all kinds of funky mental states.

So I'd say, that WILD = conceptualized intent (starts with suggestions then develops to visualization) + pushing and/or pulling force + conductive brain state (via sleep manipulation and/or supplements) + focal point + internal silence + excess of vital energy. Skip one of these components and prepare for a hard time.

Originally Posted by transflux

[crazy sleep biology stuff]

I'd by lieing if I pretended to understand most of that. I tried googling most of it but with very limited relevant results. For example, I couldn't find any really good sources explaining ionic/vital energy and how you can get that surplus of it.

Now, we'd be hijacking this thread if we started talking about that here so it'd be awesome if you started a separate thread about it or even just something with links that we can follow to learn about it. This seems like it's a very important, proven part of the whole WILD puzzle =O

Success!

BillyBob, you helped me to focus on something I couldn't define, the Anchor.
This was the last piece of advice I needed and tonight I had my FIRST complete WILD.

These days I was trying to fully undestand what my different incomplete experiences had in common and reading this thread everything made instantly sense.

For three months I practiced my routine every single time I went to sleep.
Yesterday I re-read your old WILD tutorial followed by the new one. Due to my schedule I slept at 2am and had to wake up at 6:30, but after 8:30 I could come back to bed for an hour -- a "forced" WBTB.

After a brief dream I woke up and felt calm, clear and ready to try my usual routine except this time I knew what was important and what was unnecessary. It all went so smoothly in less than a minute.

Suddenly I felt the most intense and realistic spinning sensation -- I had to actually make sure that I wasn't really moving, then I felt a wave of powerful electric vibrations and pop! I was standing in my mother's room fully aware of my dreaming condition. The LD is OT here but it was the most long and vivid I ever had. I even remembered to try a lucidity test I devised some weeks ago.

I understood on a whole new level that the counting or the visualizing, the awareness of breath or pain are merely tools to achieve a simple goal: they must keep awake only a tiny part of the mind, an anchor to reality lodged in the waking mind. I gave too much importance to those tools, they were too central, I was putting an exaggerated energy in my concentration exercises.

Well, I mightly suck at concentrating, I have trouble remaining focused on something for more than twenty seconds, so belive me, If I WILDed, anyone can do it.

Again, thanks for your great work BillyBob and sorry if my english is a bit rusty.

Very thorough instruction which I just needed. I'll be sure to try that out. Thank you.

Now, we'd be hijacking this thread if we started talking about that here so it'd be awesome if you started a separate thread about it or even just something with links that we can follow to learn about it. This seems like it's a very important, proven part of the whole WILD puzzle =O

Proven by experience not by medical science. We are talking about qi gong / energy raising practices to accumulate chi, prana, negative ions, you name it.

Originally Posted by Julius

Success!

BillyBob, you helped me to focus on something I couldn't define, the Anchor.
This was the last piece of advice I needed and tonight I had my FIRST complete WILD.

These days I was trying to fully undestand what my different incomplete experiences had in common and reading this thread everything made instantly sense.

For three months I practiced my routine every single time I went to sleep.
Yesterday I re-read your old WILD tutorial followed by the new one. Due to my schedule I slept at 2am and had to wake up at 6:30, but after 8:30 I could come back to bed for an hour -- a "forced" WBTB.

After a brief dream I woke up and felt calm, clear and ready to try my usual routine except this time I knew what was important and what was unnecessary. It all went so smoothly in less than a minute.

Suddenly I felt the most intense and realistic spinning sensation -- I had to actually make sure that I wasn't really moving, then I felt a wave of powerful electric vibrations and pop! I was standing in my mother's room fully aware of my dreaming condition. The LD is OT here but it was the most long and vivid I ever had. I even remembered to try a lucidity test I devised some weeks ago.

I understood on a whole new level that the counting or the visualizing, the awareness of breath or pain are merely tools to achieve a simple goal: they must keep awake only a tiny part of the mind, an anchor to reality lodged in the waking mind. I gave too much importance to those tools, they were too central, I was putting an exaggerated energy in my concentration exercises.

Well, I mightly suck at concentrating, I have trouble remaining focused on something for more than twenty seconds, so belive me, If I WILDed, anyone can do it.

Again, thanks for your great work BillyBob and sorry if my english is a bit rusty.

Well, now I can finally rest well knowing that at least one person has been able to understand exactly what it was this tutorial was trying to get across. Good job, I hope you have many more in the future.


The tutorial isn't about telling everyone about a new technique I thought up. Its purpose was to help the community better understand how each WILD method works. My hope was that this understanding would enable you to go at each WILD method in a new way, focusing on only the parts of them that actually matter.
All too often people take unnecessary steps and blow them out of proportion

Had success with a pain anchor this morning. I did not intend to WILD, breaking a two week dry spell.

Went to sleep at around 11:00, kept waking up in the night without an alarm and attempting to do a tactile WILD. But when I woke up at around 6:30, I tried using the pain anchor instead.

I thought I was awake to much for doing this, but what seemed pretty quick i felt sleep paralysis, without looking for it/waiting for it. Sleep paralysis lasted about 2 minutes and my mind was still pretty aware during this time. My bed started shaking a bit and then, the next thing I know I am in a lucid dream.

This was only my third attempt at this tut, first time I got SP really quickly, other time I stayed awake for way to long for this tut to work, third time lucky

I never actually got out of bed, I only reached out to see what the time was on my table.

Overall pretty decent LD as well.

Thanks Billybob for another great tutorial!

Heyy Billybob

Your tutorial nearly worked for me

I woke up then turned my radio/alarm clock to an AM station that was basically fuzz (white noise). I lay there for a long time with lots of racing thoughts going through my head but they must have subsided eventually because before i knew it i started to feel my whole body floating up towards the ceiling as if i was completely weightless but i could also sort of feel my body lying in my bed like i was in two places. anyways when this slowed or stopped i tried to look around to see but everything was black so i couldnt see anything, so i tried visualising i was somewhere but this didnt work and i woke up a little bit later. also when i was floating upwards i vaguely remember being in a car and going through the roof so i might've been dreaming

i dont know, what did i do wrong
feedback appreciated.

Ok, I don't really have much to say, other than this looks like a good guide. I'll go over it in more detail later. I am posting this so that I can easily find this thread again, merely by looking through My Posts.

BillyBob = God of WILDS

Trying tonight, will report. I think that when I get alot of sleep, I can't fall back asleep. So is like 4 hours too little?

I will look into this

I tried last night. I got up after maybe 4 hours of sleep and went to the rest room. After a minute I want back to bed with my leg under my other leg. I found concentrating on somthing internal like pain hard and got nowhere. I figured out pain is not a good anchor for me, I may try a ticking clock. Good idea; is that a common anchor?

Hi,

My name's Justin. If I need to post this in a first-timers topic or something, please tell me. Thank you!
I apologize beforehand if my post is unorganized; I'm quite tired!

I've had a few lucid dreams that I can remember. My dream recall is admittedly hazy, but I have some experience with anchors - usually in a similar sense as the "hunter" would. For example, I would lay down and consciously shake my foot a little bit, and when my foot stopped it meant I fell asleep - so I would wake up. I realize that's the wrong USAGE, but is that an anchor?

Anyway, I'm going to try this method and hopefully I'll get lucky and have a LD. Just wanted to let you guys know I'm joining the ranks!

I'm going to try this tonight. I've had one WILD before, although it was pretty accidental.
I'll report back tomorrow.

Billybob I've only read your older stuff, I'm glad to find your new stuff too because I just learned so much...!! Thanks man! I love the concepts in this, I have only been able to WILD once in 5 months of trying, but I'm gonna try revamping how I've been thinking about it. I believe everything you wrote makes plenty of sense and I am expecting brilliant results

Well, I don't remember having a LD last night. I had many brief awakenings, which is abnormal - I can only attribute it to my anchor (the humming of the fan). I normally sleep like a rock, full-on REM sleep paralysis. Hopefully if I start a dream journal and work on my recall I can DILD or maybe even WILD. I've had a DILD before, I just became aware during a regular dream and had a very short LD. Also, I've focused on a dream I wanted to have AGAIN, and achieved that dream. I suppose my next step is a dream journal.

Hmm. Last night didnt really work. I just got up for a little while, went back to bed and just kind of passed to unconsiousness.
Do you guys think that just lying on something uncomfy can act as an anchor? Such as sleeping ontop of some small block or something?
anyway, i'll try again tonight with the pain Anchor.

I tried this and got into SP and lost all feeling last night TWICE, better than I've done in 5months(-1day). So yea, definitely gonna keep trying. My only problem is that I was laying in bed, numb, and just got bored because nothing happened. Do you think there's a certain point where you should stop focusing on the anchor, or should I hold out on that anchor? Because I was just laying in my bed completely numb listening to the whoosh of my ac for what felt like hours, then I gave up, shifted position, and went to bed. I've always heard that focusing on something in RL will keep you anchored to RL... or do you disagree?

I'll try again tonight without the anchor and experiment some more, I know you're supposed to keep it open-ended I also only got about 5 hours of sleep last night I think tonight will be better

Is it possible to do this in the beginning of a nap later in the day? If you got enough sleep the past night that is.

This tutorial is great.
But I'm not sure about the pain anchor.
My wife wouldn't be thrilled about a fan.
So what alternative passive anchors are there.

Maybe listening to your breathing, so long as your not counting down?

Maybe just focussing on a single part/point of your body?

Any advice gang?

I do think however its important to note that his doesn't preclude doing the 61 point technique,
or some breath counting just to get relaxed initially. In fact, I would think this is advisable.
But once suitably relaxed, its time to slip in to passive mode. Am I right guys?

I put something under me, moonshine. Something that's hard, but doesn't hurt, like my cell phone.