Thread: How to WILD

Ok cool.
But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
Is the only diff that the WILDers are focussing on one image and not many?
Just a question.

Great tutorial

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Ok cool.
But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
Is the only diff that the WILDers are focussing on one image and not many?
Just a question.

Really there isn't; imagery, tactile sensations, counting breaths etc etc... are all just other forms of anchors. Being able to WILD comes from being able to use your anchor as an assistant/tool; not being able to think about what it is. We need more posts about anchor/transition theories (Don't mean examples); never mind WBTB/Relaxation. I think everyone knows a WBTB is important after spending 5 minutes on the boards.

Pretty consistent guideline with every other tutorial:

• Wbtb
• Relax
• Apply Anchor
• Sleep

Nothing new; but he says it in a simplistic way that is attracting more people. Its causing people to actually notice it so its doing something right.

Originally Posted by Shady

Really there isn't; imagery, tactile sensations, counting breaths etc etc... are all just other forms of anchors. Being able to WILD comes from being able to use your anchor as an assistant/tool; not being able to think about what it is.

Pretty consistent guideline with every other tutorial:

• Wbtb
• Relax
• Apply Anchor
• Sleep

Nothing new; but he says it in a simplistic way that is attracting more people. Its causing people to rave over it so its doing something right.

Ok no problem, but why aren't half the population WILDing since they are all anchoring with daily thoughts?

yeah i like dream chasers question, the first tutorial i read about wilding was about 8 steps long and involved all sorts of visualizing and then this technique says to just fall asleep and have something to anchor u, as dream chaser said surely half the people if not more that go to sleep should be wilding??

J.x

Another wall of text

Originally Posted by arby

The thing that's really got my gears rolling is if there is actually a "mental" block that prevents you from WILDing. You see, WILDing would be contradictory. I had previously thought that staying aware would prevent you from WILDing because in order to WILD you must remain aware/concious. But if you were aware/concious, your mind couldn't delude itself into a dream and you wouldn't become lucid. Of course, if you have one you shouldn't be able to have the other so I explained our ability to WILD by using doublethink. The ability to hold two mutually contradicing beleifs at the same time. Of course, there is no way to conciously use doublethink as the use of doublethink required doublethink to be used on itself thus that was useless XD

Lastly, I'm not the biggest fan of the pain method either. Theres probably a way with more finesse. I'm gonna see what I can come up with in regards to that.... I mean, the criteria is so simple! But a method where you consciously induce it such as the pain method has a slight mental contradiction. You have to do ______ (in this case, pain) in anticipation that it will make you lucid but you have to avoid anticipating.... I'm gonna see if I can find a way around that (its pretty all encompassing, though)

Wow, "doublethink?" that made my brain hurt

There are a plethora of ways to do this WILD without using pain. Pain is just the example I used to show whats going on with the most clarity - you use something constant as an "anchor" for your awareness as you drift into sleep. Dull pain is one of the most 'constant' feelings there are.
Some others that I use occasionally:

• My breathing
• The white noise from an air purifier in my room
• Visualization (walking through a scene)
• The feeling of my body

Like I said earlier, pain probably won't work for everyone, hell, it might not work for many people at all. Each person will just have to find their own target anchor.

Originally Posted by Pastulio_

Great tutorial! I'm definitely trying the pain anchor tonight.

Thanks, come back and tell me how it went

Originally Posted by Halocuber

Thx , this really help

Thank you, I hope it translates into some lucids for you.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Ok cool.
But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
Is the only diff that the WILDers are focusing on one image and not many?
Just a question.

Tonight watch yourself fall asleep. You'll notice that what often happens is you have a mental image/scene pop up into your head, then that scene/image starts shifting around randomly in your mind as you slowly fall asleep.
That is the normal progression into unconsciousness. The anchor is something that is separate from this process, and thus allows you to stay semi-conscious until the process' end (until your in a dream).

Its best not to think about this process when WILDing, just use your anchor as specified in the tutorial.

Originally Posted by Zilverw0lf

Great tutorial

Thanks

Originally Posted by Julius

Lucid Dreaming is a really new field and it's like a puzzle where every day someone brings up a new piece that fits in the picture.
What's really exciting for me is witnessing all the collaborative work done in this community.
Thanks to your contributions one day LDing will become a joyful experience for many more people around the world.
You really are pioneers.

I discovered lucid dreaming about a year ago. I didn't believe it was real, but after some trials I started have firsthand experiences.
Now I investigate this phenomenon methodically and one day I hope to provide some useful insights too.

BillyBob, your tutorial is really food for thought, the anchor part does ring a bell, you really hit a hot-spot. I think this growing discussion will be even more interesting.

Hello and thanks.
Unfortunately we aren't as pioneering as we may seem. Books like Lucid dreaming and Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming have been around for nearly two decades. This community, that has largely forgotten about those that came before us, are just rediscovering things that have been long known.

Originally Posted by Angels with Snipers

yeah i like dream chasers question, the first tutorial i read about wilding was about 8 steps long and involved all sorts of visualizing and then this technique says to just fall asleep and have something to anchor u, as dream chaser said surely half the people if not more that go to sleep should be wilding??

J.x

This tutorial is just all of those tutorials in condensed form. All too often people over complicate WILD. They see it as some unobtainable goal that takes incredible amounts of effort to attain. WILD is simple, all you have to do is fall asleep with a bit of consciousness and you can have them.

Originally Posted by allensig3654

BillyBob you are amazing. I have always had trouble with WILD's. Today I tried your technique with my fan as an anchor and bam, I had my first wild of the month . I woke up for 10 min, performed a wild, and in 20 min I had my false awakening. I knew it was a dream immediately because my fan was off.

Thats excellent, I'm glad I could help.

Originally Posted by transflux

Don't be that excited yet. It will just pass away. The role of any focal point is to keep your intent / waking personality intact. You also need pulling or at least a pushing force. Sleep interruption gives you the push, an elevated power of background theta activity. Visualization is both a pushing and a pulling force but if executed poorly it just rips you apart.

Nothing beats a well conceptualized pulling force. There was a time when I was LDing by protruding my bubble of attention. I just keep pushing inward into the dark until the environment formed around me. You use visualization to give a shape to your intent, to conceptualize your progress toward the state you want to be in.

It ultimately comes down to your willpower and your reservoirs of vital energy, chi, or whatever you would call it. Besides a bunch of other things, vital energy enhances your EEG power, therefore your intent, your ability to visualize, everything. Your brain runs on ions, and having a surplus of them really makes the difference.

As for the focal point, I've found two that really works. It took me years to understand why they really are the best. The first one is the geometric centre of your body. Basically you want to push yourself through that point. The second one is the hiss like noise that comes from the middle of your head. It fluctuates really strong in interrupted sleep and occasionally turns into auditory hallucinations. The best time to WILD.

Hm. Thats very interesting.

Originally Posted by Timpan

this I'm really gonna test out since I just got my right eyebrow pierced , its going to be my Anchor ;

Post what happens in here

Originally Posted by TripleX223

So in theory instead of using the pain as an anchor I could listen to my loud fan, and wait until I hear it otherwise. Once hearing it different I do a reality check, and should be fine.

(While waiting to hear this is it suggested to just think random thoughts, but actually listening as well? or do i just try to clear head completely and listen?)

thank you, trying to have my first wild

Yes, almost anything can be an anchor.
Just let your thoughts flow as your passively listen to the fan.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

Arby pointed out in his tutorial that if you really had the power to visualize and use tactile at very powerful levels that you could trance into a dream upon will at any time. I know it takes along time but the thought interests me a lot, and when I start really getting into visualization practice, when I see it get vivider (as I am beginning to see) then I'll just wait all the time thats needed to make it as vivid as possible, as soon as possible.

All in all, visualization can be quite passive for me, you see visualization starts out using will power, to think of certain scenes, but later all it involves is visualization alone (this is because you begin taking in subconscious ideas, and no longer need to make conscious ones), that feeling of shifting awareness to imagination, then your just riding the wind of your mind, I think anyone who is real good at visualization WILDs would agree.

That first sentence: Wow, Arby induced an LD during the day using this? I have never, not once, been able to force a lucid dream. Not via visualizations, or anything. At one point I was image streaming for an hour a day, writing fiction, and even doing "dream yoga" - all very good ways to improve visualization. I was never able to induce any kind of dream by simply seeing a location in detail.
I have used visualization as an anchor on my night time WILDs though, and it has worked (VILD).

Yes, I know what you mean. When WILDing after some sleep you initiate a scene, then just keep it in your minds eye until a dream forms around it.

Originally Posted by allensig3654

Just did it again this afternoon while listening to my loud fan. I didn't get far, just out of body in my room, but I am proud .

Another thing I noticed was that it is ok to move. I started off reading a book. I then relaxed while visualizing the book in front of me for about 20 min. I then had my gf interrupt me so I turned to my side and lightly focused on my fan. Before I knew it I felt a click in the middle of my forehead and I pulled myself out of body. I looked at my door and realized it was open (it was closed before) This got me too excited and I was pulled back in body and woke up.

Oh my god. Twice in one day?

Originally Posted by Shady

I most defiantly am trying to help; but I will stop posting in the thread from here on out.

Im just tired of seeing multiple tutorials saying the same thing over and over and over; that don't clear up or at least address the actual problems that people are constantly posting about. No one needs another post explaining that WBTBs are important along with some sort of anchor. I can link 50 posts that do that, and that do it better.

I feel like if your going to post a method you should do that. In case you didn't notice there's already a couple threads asking questions about your thread; also claiming this discoveries as new material and really that just showcases how oblivious some people are due the the lack of at least back up information behind many tutorials.

If you would like to post ways for new people to lucid dreaming to fall ass-backward into lucidity without any idea of whats going on; feel free to do so. When it doesn't work for 95% of the people; I (Along with many many others on the forums) will be here to answer the constant flood of questions asking the same question over and over because it is not clarified in the "Guide to lucid dreaming". Your "theory" on the whole evolution is nothing more then noise that sounds good. It'd be awfully convenient if that hypothetical trait was still in full force millions of years later when conditions have changed exponentially. And not to mention at the end of the day your contradicting yourself by the time you reach the end of the post. If you were more open minded you might understand that monitoring or noticing the pain increasing as you drift off to sleep is no different then thinking about anything else (Which according to you makes it impossible to fall asleep).

You haven't taught described how to lucid dream; you have described how to fall asleep uncomfortably. You have also said this has produced lucid dreams for you. That's about it. The majority of the people who have taken this thread as a "godsend" see it as such because it does the same thing most other tutorials so. It apparently gets you something for nothing; get out of that mindset and you might see some real success in lucid dreaming. The underlying process is incredibly simple yes; executing it is another thing.

Disappointed in you man; was hoping to see some fresh; useful content from an experienced lucid dreamer like yourself. Im sorry for criticizing you for posting the same thing that has been said 500 times before (and at least twice by yourself). If you would like to take the time to point out how this is any different; or how it will help people "better understand the inner-workings of a WILD take the 5 minutes and PM me and I'll gladly delete everything I've said. Until then; keep feeding the obliviousness train I suppose.

This says it all:

Thanks,
You'll notice that the thread's title is "How to WILD." Not "This is How WILDing Works."
In this tutorial I have supplied the beginner WILDer all the information he or she will need to have lucid dreams via the WILD method. Sure, I could have used 100k words to explain every intricacy of what happens when one goes from waking to dreaming, but I realize that nearly all of the details I know about WILDing are completely biased BS.

The tutorial only contains information that I have tested on individuals other than myself. This includes family members, friends, and yes, DVrs.


Please do not be so quick to judge the work of other people. I have spent four years collecting this information and assembling it in my mind into a simplified theory of WILD. I have spoken to hundreds of people about their WILDing experiences, had almost a thousand WILDs myself, and have even taught people that have never had a WILD to WILD.

I know that the deceptively simplistic nature of this way of WILDing can seem too simple. This is because for the past four years I have waded through all the bullshit and narrowed what is actually necessary to WILD down as far as I can.

Thank you for your understanding.


EDIT:

Originally Posted by TripleX223

Well i tried the pain thing last night. Basically I put my legs in an uncomfortable position. It kept me up so I gave up and went to bed. As I sat up i realised it took more strength, because my arms were almost completly numb, possible improvement?

(this is a very good tutorial 5 stars)

Now that you know high amounts of pain aren't your thing, try something different next time. Like noise, making the room colder than usual, etc. Each person is different, and each will have to experiment with different anchors.

Thanks for the stars

The best WILD I have had, was when i recieved emails on my Blackberry at 4 in the morning, which woke me up with vibrations continuously.

I had another WILD the other day, and I woke up and my hand was under my pillow, numb.

This is interesting

Im going to try the hand under pillow thing again and post how it goes.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

That first sentence: Wow, Arby induced an LD during the day using this? I have never, not once, been able to force a lucid dream. Not via visualizations, or anything. At one point I was image streaming for an hour a day, writing fiction, and even doing "dream yoga" - all very good ways to improve visualization. I was never able to induce any kind of dream by simply seeing a location in detail.
I have used visualization as an anchor on my night time WILDs though, and it has worked (VILD).

Yes, I know what you mean. When WILDing after some sleep you initiate a scene, then just keep it in your minds eye until a dream forms around it.

I never said arby introduced a lucid dream this way, I personally don't know if he did or not, he says " When can this work?, Anywhere and anytime you can totally zone out. Although it will not be nearly as effective or as easy, you could do it sitting on your lazy ass in front of the computer." In his tutorial on VILD. I don't need arby to confirm it though, the human mind can clearly have the ability to hallucinate, as we see in dreams, and it grows like any muscle does, I've seen it.

I have personally been visualizing for over a half a year (on and off, with lots of bad turns), that may sound crazy and I know I stated I am just beginning to see results, but for the longest time I couldn't see a single thing, I can't really describe how good or bad I visualize because it would be biased by too many things, as there is nothing to compare it too. Writing fiction and doing dream yoga doesn't really help pure visualization that much (as I recall dream yoga is taking extreme awareness of the surrounding area your in, and visualization is internal.)

And besides all that, I don't expect to introduce this kind of WILD for a very long time, I wouldn't expect that anyone could do this unless they have been extremely visual, or has spent a very long time practicing.

I'd like to hear some opinions about this idea that's buggin' me.

When someone posts a "100% success" WILDing tutorial I'm sure it works perfectly for that author... but not for his readers.

We can deduce that he honed and perfected the system through a long process of trial and error and finally arrived at a method that never fails.

You can find many threads like that, but reading the replies, you will always spot only a partial success among the readers.

Why? Partially you can blame it on the differences among people, some are better at visualizing, some are simply "more gifted", etc.
But I think that it doesn't end here.

My idea is that the "long process of trial and error" that the author went through is in fact a long process of conditioning. I think it's a "forgotten" but integral part of his success. He practiced and practiced and so he learned what really worked for him. He conditionend his mind, like an athlete developes his body and skills.

The readers expect succes - and quickly - but almost everyone lacks the conditioning, their mind is not ready and fit, they are not athletes so they can't have succes from day 1 end perhaps even from day 5 or 10.

You can't pretend to become a swimmer just by learning every detail about swimming, you have to stay in a pool for many hours.

Based on my experience, you have to know yourself and your mind to effectively WILD, that's why any of those methods needs more practice than expected.

I'm not at all sure about all this so that's why I'd appreciate some opinions. Perhaps I'm exaggerating.

I arrived to this idea because I was very impressed by something that BillyBob said: he wrote his new tutorial that way using his experience in teaching WILD to twenty men.
There is great value in that. You have to actually try your method on others.

I think that it was a very good idea to leave some vague areas. One has to build his own knowledge. Everyday I acquire this knowledge -- by practicing. Perhaps I'm not special but I achieve a slow and steady progress and think that the errors are an essential part of the ordeal.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Hello and thanks.
Unfortunately we aren't as pioneering as we may seem. Books like Lucid dreaming and Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming have been around for nearly two decades. This community, that has largely forgotten about those that came before us, are just rediscovering things that have been long known.

Yeah, totally right, and we can go back even more: I'm reading Hervey de Saint-Denys's really interesting book -- two centuries old. And let's not bring up the ancient dream yoga etc.

Still I feel that we are at the tip of the iceberg, it's a field open for many more discoveries. Specifically I think that the induction methods are ready for many improvements, especially the most fascinating and elusive of them all: WILD.

Oh gosh, this was another wall of text!

Thanks Billybob.

Really learnt from that.

can someone please explain to me the transition, or how you know when youve entered the dream.

Do we have to sleep before we try to WILD? Could it have been a few hours ago that I slept, but it would still be possible to WILD? Just wondering ;P

Well, it's recommended that you sleep for 5-6 hours before trying a WILD. As to how long you need to stay up; You need to experiment what length of time is right for you.


EDIT: Sorry Bob, I just realized that this is your thread! Cherish's question was on another page, and I thought it was hers.

I developed a trick a while back that worked well, but left my family wanting to murder me. I didn't realise at the time, but it was an anchor, as you put it (kudos)

I made a mp3 playing the sound of a dripping tap, over and over.
And then I trained water/dripping as my dream sign.
Simple really. And effective. Especially at getting yourself hit on the head by your wife.. hehe

But perhaps with earphones or something less annoying, the same effect can be produced

BTW, this trick needn't be only for WILD. You can use an anchor without the WBTB if you have something that doesn't interfere with your sleep.
Of course, the WBTB helps a lot, so I recommend it all the same.

(Sorry for the double post, but I don't want my question getting lost in my previous one)

Originally Posted by transflux

As it has been said many times the best anchor is the hiss like internal noise that comes from the middle or upper rear part of your head.
You can then replace the origin of this sound to the middle of your body or use that point alone as your focal point.

Err.. any other ideas than just a hiss. Unfortunately, I already use white noise anyway to nap with. I'd like to add something to my mp3 to use as an anchor, and try this technique
Maybe a clicking sound. Or my water dripping idea.. any specific thoughts?

(My current WILD technique works, but doesn't give me particularly intense LDs... want to try something new)

Hi,

My name's Justin. If I need to post this in a first-timers topic or something, please tell me. Thank you!
I apologize beforehand if my post is unorganized; I'm quite tired!

I've had a few lucid dreams that I can remember. My dream recall is admittedly hazy, but I have some experience with anchors - usually in a similar sense as the "hunter" would. For example, I would lay down and consciously shake my foot a little bit, and when my foot stopped it meant I fell asleep - so I would wake up. I realize that's the wrong USAGE, but is that an anchor?

Anyway, I'm going to try this method and hopefully I'll get lucky and have a LD. Just wanted to let you guys know I'm joining the ranks!

I'm going to try this tonight. I've had one WILD before, although it was pretty accidental.
I'll report back tomorrow.

Billybob I've only read your older stuff, I'm glad to find your new stuff too because I just learned so much...!! Thanks man! I love the concepts in this, I have only been able to WILD once in 5 months of trying, but I'm gonna try revamping how I've been thinking about it. I believe everything you wrote makes plenty of sense and I am expecting brilliant results

i don't think wake initiated ld's work well for everyone, especially someone with insomnia or related sleep disorders

No, I just had a LOT of work to do, and I already tried WILDing 2 times today using the common technique (3 hours each), and quite obviously the 3rd try I just couldn't wait any longer. I'll try again tomorrow (or the weekends).

would increase pain help? for the last week i've been trying this and i always fall asleep, i had a DILD but that was it.

I've always had problem with WILD, but managed a few after first sleeping a bit. I'll experiment with a few anchors and see if that does the trick. Thanks for the infos.

A clothespin attached somewhere at your skin should make a good signal without having to put yourself in an uncomfortable position which may keep you from sleeping.

I sleep with the TV on. The science channel to be exact.

Originally Posted by PSPSoldier534

I sleep with the TV on. The science channel to be exact.

That explains a lot.

this answers alot of questions, very useful tips specially the falling to sleep part