Thread: How to WILD

Great tutorial! I'm definitely trying the pain anchor tonight.

Thx , this really help

Ok cool.
But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
Is the only diff that the WILDers are focussing on one image and not many?
Just a question.

Great tutorial

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Ok cool.
But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
Is the only diff that the WILDers are focussing on one image and not many?
Just a question.

Really there isn't; imagery, tactile sensations, counting breaths etc etc... are all just other forms of anchors. Being able to WILD comes from being able to use your anchor as an assistant/tool; not being able to think about what it is. We need more posts about anchor/transition theories (Don't mean examples); never mind WBTB/Relaxation. I think everyone knows a WBTB is important after spending 5 minutes on the boards.

Pretty consistent guideline with every other tutorial:

• Wbtb
• Relax
• Apply Anchor
• Sleep

Nothing new; but he says it in a simplistic way that is attracting more people. Its causing people to actually notice it so its doing something right.

Originally Posted by Shady

Really there isn't; imagery, tactile sensations, counting breaths etc etc... are all just other forms of anchors. Being able to WILD comes from being able to use your anchor as an assistant/tool; not being able to think about what it is.

Pretty consistent guideline with every other tutorial:

• Wbtb
• Relax
• Apply Anchor
• Sleep

Nothing new; but he says it in a simplistic way that is attracting more people. Its causing people to rave over it so its doing something right.

Ok no problem, but why aren't half the population WILDing since they are all anchoring with daily thoughts?

yeah i like dream chasers question, the first tutorial i read about wilding was about 8 steps long and involved all sorts of visualizing and then this technique says to just fall asleep and have something to anchor u, as dream chaser said surely half the people if not more that go to sleep should be wilding??

J.x

Another wall of text

Originally Posted by arby

The thing that's really got my gears rolling is if there is actually a "mental" block that prevents you from WILDing. You see, WILDing would be contradictory. I had previously thought that staying aware would prevent you from WILDing because in order to WILD you must remain aware/concious. But if you were aware/concious, your mind couldn't delude itself into a dream and you wouldn't become lucid. Of course, if you have one you shouldn't be able to have the other so I explained our ability to WILD by using doublethink. The ability to hold two mutually contradicing beleifs at the same time. Of course, there is no way to conciously use doublethink as the use of doublethink required doublethink to be used on itself thus that was useless XD

Lastly, I'm not the biggest fan of the pain method either. Theres probably a way with more finesse. I'm gonna see what I can come up with in regards to that.... I mean, the criteria is so simple! But a method where you consciously induce it such as the pain method has a slight mental contradiction. You have to do ______ (in this case, pain) in anticipation that it will make you lucid but you have to avoid anticipating.... I'm gonna see if I can find a way around that (its pretty all encompassing, though)

Wow, "doublethink?" that made my brain hurt

There are a plethora of ways to do this WILD without using pain. Pain is just the example I used to show whats going on with the most clarity - you use something constant as an "anchor" for your awareness as you drift into sleep. Dull pain is one of the most 'constant' feelings there are.
Some others that I use occasionally:

• My breathing
• The white noise from an air purifier in my room
• Visualization (walking through a scene)
• The feeling of my body

Like I said earlier, pain probably won't work for everyone, hell, it might not work for many people at all. Each person will just have to find their own target anchor.

Originally Posted by Pastulio_

Great tutorial! I'm definitely trying the pain anchor tonight.

Thanks, come back and tell me how it went

Originally Posted by Halocuber

Thx , this really help

Thank you, I hope it translates into some lucids for you.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Ok cool.
But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
Is the only diff that the WILDers are focusing on one image and not many?
Just a question.

Tonight watch yourself fall asleep. You'll notice that what often happens is you have a mental image/scene pop up into your head, then that scene/image starts shifting around randomly in your mind as you slowly fall asleep.
That is the normal progression into unconsciousness. The anchor is something that is separate from this process, and thus allows you to stay semi-conscious until the process' end (until your in a dream).

Its best not to think about this process when WILDing, just use your anchor as specified in the tutorial.

Originally Posted by Zilverw0lf

Great tutorial

Thanks

Originally Posted by Julius

Lucid Dreaming is a really new field and it's like a puzzle where every day someone brings up a new piece that fits in the picture.
What's really exciting for me is witnessing all the collaborative work done in this community.
Thanks to your contributions one day LDing will become a joyful experience for many more people around the world.
You really are pioneers.

I discovered lucid dreaming about a year ago. I didn't believe it was real, but after some trials I started have firsthand experiences.
Now I investigate this phenomenon methodically and one day I hope to provide some useful insights too.

BillyBob, your tutorial is really food for thought, the anchor part does ring a bell, you really hit a hot-spot. I think this growing discussion will be even more interesting.

Hello and thanks.
Unfortunately we aren't as pioneering as we may seem. Books like Lucid dreaming and Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming have been around for nearly two decades. This community, that has largely forgotten about those that came before us, are just rediscovering things that have been long known.

Originally Posted by Angels with Snipers

yeah i like dream chasers question, the first tutorial i read about wilding was about 8 steps long and involved all sorts of visualizing and then this technique says to just fall asleep and have something to anchor u, as dream chaser said surely half the people if not more that go to sleep should be wilding??

J.x

This tutorial is just all of those tutorials in condensed form. All too often people over complicate WILD. They see it as some unobtainable goal that takes incredible amounts of effort to attain. WILD is simple, all you have to do is fall asleep with a bit of consciousness and you can have them.

Originally Posted by allensig3654

BillyBob you are amazing. I have always had trouble with WILD's. Today I tried your technique with my fan as an anchor and bam, I had my first wild of the month . I woke up for 10 min, performed a wild, and in 20 min I had my false awakening. I knew it was a dream immediately because my fan was off.

Thats excellent, I'm glad I could help.

Originally Posted by transflux

Don't be that excited yet. It will just pass away. The role of any focal point is to keep your intent / waking personality intact. You also need pulling or at least a pushing force. Sleep interruption gives you the push, an elevated power of background theta activity. Visualization is both a pushing and a pulling force but if executed poorly it just rips you apart.

Nothing beats a well conceptualized pulling force. There was a time when I was LDing by protruding my bubble of attention. I just keep pushing inward into the dark until the environment formed around me. You use visualization to give a shape to your intent, to conceptualize your progress toward the state you want to be in.

It ultimately comes down to your willpower and your reservoirs of vital energy, chi, or whatever you would call it. Besides a bunch of other things, vital energy enhances your EEG power, therefore your intent, your ability to visualize, everything. Your brain runs on ions, and having a surplus of them really makes the difference.

As for the focal point, I've found two that really works. It took me years to understand why they really are the best. The first one is the geometric centre of your body. Basically you want to push yourself through that point. The second one is the hiss like noise that comes from the middle of your head. It fluctuates really strong in interrupted sleep and occasionally turns into auditory hallucinations. The best time to WILD.

Hm. Thats very interesting.

Originally Posted by Timpan

this I'm really gonna test out since I just got my right eyebrow pierced , its going to be my Anchor ;

Post what happens in here

Originally Posted by TripleX223

So in theory instead of using the pain as an anchor I could listen to my loud fan, and wait until I hear it otherwise. Once hearing it different I do a reality check, and should be fine.

(While waiting to hear this is it suggested to just think random thoughts, but actually listening as well? or do i just try to clear head completely and listen?)

thank you, trying to have my first wild

Yes, almost anything can be an anchor.
Just let your thoughts flow as your passively listen to the fan.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

Arby pointed out in his tutorial that if you really had the power to visualize and use tactile at very powerful levels that you could trance into a dream upon will at any time. I know it takes along time but the thought interests me a lot, and when I start really getting into visualization practice, when I see it get vivider (as I am beginning to see) then I'll just wait all the time thats needed to make it as vivid as possible, as soon as possible.

All in all, visualization can be quite passive for me, you see visualization starts out using will power, to think of certain scenes, but later all it involves is visualization alone (this is because you begin taking in subconscious ideas, and no longer need to make conscious ones), that feeling of shifting awareness to imagination, then your just riding the wind of your mind, I think anyone who is real good at visualization WILDs would agree.

That first sentence: Wow, Arby induced an LD during the day using this? I have never, not once, been able to force a lucid dream. Not via visualizations, or anything. At one point I was image streaming for an hour a day, writing fiction, and even doing "dream yoga" - all very good ways to improve visualization. I was never able to induce any kind of dream by simply seeing a location in detail.
I have used visualization as an anchor on my night time WILDs though, and it has worked (VILD).

Yes, I know what you mean. When WILDing after some sleep you initiate a scene, then just keep it in your minds eye until a dream forms around it.

Originally Posted by allensig3654

Just did it again this afternoon while listening to my loud fan. I didn't get far, just out of body in my room, but I am proud .

Another thing I noticed was that it is ok to move. I started off reading a book. I then relaxed while visualizing the book in front of me for about 20 min. I then had my gf interrupt me so I turned to my side and lightly focused on my fan. Before I knew it I felt a click in the middle of my forehead and I pulled myself out of body. I looked at my door and realized it was open (it was closed before) This got me too excited and I was pulled back in body and woke up.

Oh my god. Twice in one day?

Originally Posted by Shady

I most defiantly am trying to help; but I will stop posting in the thread from here on out.

Im just tired of seeing multiple tutorials saying the same thing over and over and over; that don't clear up or at least address the actual problems that people are constantly posting about. No one needs another post explaining that WBTBs are important along with some sort of anchor. I can link 50 posts that do that, and that do it better.

I feel like if your going to post a method you should do that. In case you didn't notice there's already a couple threads asking questions about your thread; also claiming this discoveries as new material and really that just showcases how oblivious some people are due the the lack of at least back up information behind many tutorials.

If you would like to post ways for new people to lucid dreaming to fall ass-backward into lucidity without any idea of whats going on; feel free to do so. When it doesn't work for 95% of the people; I (Along with many many others on the forums) will be here to answer the constant flood of questions asking the same question over and over because it is not clarified in the "Guide to lucid dreaming". Your "theory" on the whole evolution is nothing more then noise that sounds good. It'd be awfully convenient if that hypothetical trait was still in full force millions of years later when conditions have changed exponentially. And not to mention at the end of the day your contradicting yourself by the time you reach the end of the post. If you were more open minded you might understand that monitoring or noticing the pain increasing as you drift off to sleep is no different then thinking about anything else (Which according to you makes it impossible to fall asleep).

You haven't taught described how to lucid dream; you have described how to fall asleep uncomfortably. You have also said this has produced lucid dreams for you. That's about it. The majority of the people who have taken this thread as a "godsend" see it as such because it does the same thing most other tutorials so. It apparently gets you something for nothing; get out of that mindset and you might see some real success in lucid dreaming. The underlying process is incredibly simple yes; executing it is another thing.

Disappointed in you man; was hoping to see some fresh; useful content from an experienced lucid dreamer like yourself. Im sorry for criticizing you for posting the same thing that has been said 500 times before (and at least twice by yourself). If you would like to take the time to point out how this is any different; or how it will help people "better understand the inner-workings of a WILD take the 5 minutes and PM me and I'll gladly delete everything I've said. Until then; keep feeding the obliviousness train I suppose.

This says it all:

Thanks,
You'll notice that the thread's title is "How to WILD." Not "This is How WILDing Works."
In this tutorial I have supplied the beginner WILDer all the information he or she will need to have lucid dreams via the WILD method. Sure, I could have used 100k words to explain every intricacy of what happens when one goes from waking to dreaming, but I realize that nearly all of the details I know about WILDing are completely biased BS.

The tutorial only contains information that I have tested on individuals other than myself. This includes family members, friends, and yes, DVrs.


Please do not be so quick to judge the work of other people. I have spent four years collecting this information and assembling it in my mind into a simplified theory of WILD. I have spoken to hundreds of people about their WILDing experiences, had almost a thousand WILDs myself, and have even taught people that have never had a WILD to WILD.

I know that the deceptively simplistic nature of this way of WILDing can seem too simple. This is because for the past four years I have waded through all the bullshit and narrowed what is actually necessary to WILD down as far as I can.

Thank you for your understanding.


EDIT:

Originally Posted by TripleX223

Well i tried the pain thing last night. Basically I put my legs in an uncomfortable position. It kept me up so I gave up and went to bed. As I sat up i realised it took more strength, because my arms were almost completly numb, possible improvement?

(this is a very good tutorial 5 stars)

Now that you know high amounts of pain aren't your thing, try something different next time. Like noise, making the room colder than usual, etc. Each person is different, and each will have to experiment with different anchors.

Thanks for the stars

can someone please explain to me the transition, or how you know when youve entered the dream.

Hi,

My name's Justin. If I need to post this in a first-timers topic or something, please tell me. Thank you!
I apologize beforehand if my post is unorganized; I'm quite tired!

I've had a few lucid dreams that I can remember. My dream recall is admittedly hazy, but I have some experience with anchors - usually in a similar sense as the "hunter" would. For example, I would lay down and consciously shake my foot a little bit, and when my foot stopped it meant I fell asleep - so I would wake up. I realize that's the wrong USAGE, but is that an anchor?

Anyway, I'm going to try this method and hopefully I'll get lucky and have a LD. Just wanted to let you guys know I'm joining the ranks!

i don't think wake initiated ld's work well for everyone, especially someone with insomnia or related sleep disorders

I've always had problem with WILD, but managed a few after first sleeping a bit. I'll experiment with a few anchors and see if that does the trick. Thanks for the infos.

A clothespin attached somewhere at your skin should make a good signal without having to put yourself in an uncomfortable position which may keep you from sleeping.

this answers alot of questions, very useful tips specially the falling to sleep part

can you use a perfume or a cologne and use the sense of smell instead of using pain as the anchor?

so I just endure the pain and go to sleep?? What if I fell asleep and find myself awake in the morning....i need answers

Yes,I see.This is very important.

yeah i like dream chasers question, the first tutorial i read about wilding was about 8 steps long and involved all sorts of visualizing and then this technique says to just fall asleep and have something to anchor u, as dream chaser said surely half the people if not more that go to sleep should be wilding??

Ok no problem, but why aren't half the population WILDing since they are all anchoring with daily thoughts?

Because they don't actively gauge their consciousness using it; and anchors are basically your constant reality check. Thoughts are usually anything but consistent. Your thoughts can be incredibly absurd but still be considered 100% natural/normal. However; if you have a fan running its not going to start randomly playing The Beatles in "Reality". If it does you know somethings up. Like I said; the same does not apply to something as inconsistent as our thoughts.

You need to train yourself to naturally remain aware in between the stage of wakefulness/sleep; yet still progressively advance. This is seemingly a very contradictory statement because naturally we do the opposite. Most people are sitting there wide awake because they are just waiting for SP/HI to come or their mind is racing a mile a minute; they simply cannot fall asleep. Their brain is working as hard as yours or mine is right now; and its not like we're about to pass out on the keyboard. Only difference is that their eyes are closed.. big whoop. Being able to remain aware/conscious of your anchor and actually knowing what to do with it is something that will come naturally. Just dont get really involved with it; its another one of those hard things to explain... I dont ask myself if the fan is on; I just know.

Naturally when you lose "consciousness" you get enveloped in some random string of thoughts or memories. I dont know what happens from here because well; Im not there to see it. This is typically when you slip off to sleep. (Dreaming or not; both are possible and lucidity can come before or after the transition (WILD or DILD). There's no difference between WILDers and 'regular' people other then they stay lucid longer early on. Most dreams when you first go to bed at night are short/random or even non-existent. Combined with a WBTB your of course more likely to slip into a dream. Once we're lucid we're playing the same game.

When I was first learning essentially what happen is.. (Pretend my anchor is white noise/fan in background).

*Fan is running*
-Laying in bed regularly; relaxing.
-Not doing anything special; I usually end up thinking about the day and such.
-Falling asleep normally and I will suddenly become aware that I cannot hear the fan anymore. As soon as I think that it "turns back on" instantly.
-When this happens I basically get a flood of information. (External stimuli like noises/feelings, and everything I was last thinking about. (I like to call these 'blinks of consciousness')
*Rinse and repeat*

What would happen is I would NEVER notice it "turning off". So basically I would get distracted from the external stimuli with some random thought that I was so indulged in. I would be completely oblivious to what was going on around me. Once that thought or chain of thoughts is over I might randomly remember that I was laying in bed trying to WILD. Suddenly the awareness of my body and surroundings rush back full force.

Now heres where the difference comes; most people would not experience that "blink" on a regular basis; and they would simply fall into "unconscious" sleep. Of course it works backwards and they may lay in bed wide awake to concentrated on it and never progress towards sleep. The only way to get that blink is to essentially test your anchor subconsciously.. or to randomly remember what you were doing before it is to late. I have found this gateway is very short; couldn't be more then ~2-5 minutes. If I overlook it I miss it, and the next time I awake will be my next brief awakening.

Eventually I began jolting awake less and less; and gaining awareness of my body became a transition instead of an instant effect. I really cannot put into words how it feels; its just weird. It feels like your in a void (Not necessarily SP or anything; Im just not aware of anything at all outside my thoughts). After a while I began to last longer and longer before I lose consciousness; thus shortening the time in between the blinks. At this point when I get these spikes of consciousness I do not "lose" more then a few seconds; which is great because I can fall asleep naturally (very quickly), regain awareness and be right ready to dip into a WILD. More often then not there will be a seamless transition between awake/dreaming. The dream materializes out of nowhere and I commonly induce "motion" as I fall into a dream. Sometimes I just end up in it but usually there's some form of motion or falling involved. It is a very fine line though in between these phases; honestly nothing but practice can help you find the sweet spot.

Eventually I learned to just simply recognize this feeling and quite frankly my mind/body is my anchor. The only reason I use outside physical anchors like white noise/discomfort (Even though discomfort technically is my body) is because they work as a fail safe in case I am "not all there" that night.

Anyways without getting deep into it (I will be eventually) the anchor is your grip on reality; and it makes it so you can judge your consciousness based on the current situation. For billy the pain increases; for "Imaginers" the environment becomes more vivid/realistic. For white noise maybe the sound dissipates. The thing is the transition is no where near 'Black and White' and you can use that to your advantage. The problem is that it appears as if it was for new people; and is sometimes even non-existent. The sensation itself is going to vary and is why people have trouble; they go into WILDs expecting something to happen (Usually the wrong thing) and they get stuck. They either over think it and are wide awake or dont know what to do with an anchor; completely miss it and wake up with a soar shoulder the next day from laying on their arm. There is no universal anchor; you have to experiment to find an effective one for you.

This is where nothing but experience will help you; sometimes you can luck out and fall into lucidity randomly however to truly understand something you need to go back to the basics and work from the ground up.